Re: [jdev] Need help for developing a client in web application - jabber

2008-03-25 Thread Norman Rasmussen
http://www.google.co.za/search?q=jabber+php+client On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Srinivasan.M, ANGLER - EIT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Can you please kind me or send me a sample code for developing a client in web application using PHP, we were using jabber (ejabberd server). I

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Remko Tronçon
Apparently Psi does not know what to do when he receives the message from the pubsub node. Yes, it does know what to do with pubsub messages: ignore them, unless they publish to a namespace that is known how to display it in the UI (tunes, mood, avatar). Adding support for new namespaces

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread jehan
Hello, in my own opinion, I don't see notification so different. At the opposite, I think IM and notification are related and I far prefer to have all in a single program. Let's imagine a world where XMPP is very extended and used. I would travel a lot and then arrive in a Cyber-Café on a

Re: [jdev] another GSoC idea: JMS-to-XMPP bridge

2008-03-25 Thread Fabio Forno
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been receiving more inquiries about using XMPP for enterprise messaging, along the lines of JMS, Tibco, webMethods, and the like. I wonder if a GSoC project for a gateway between JMS and XMPP might be

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Remko Tronçon
Then I would simply login to my Jabber account through a web-based interface (for instance, like gmail), GMail is an example of 2 different applications clearly separated into one user interface, and integrating on some fronts. I don't have a problem with that. My problem is if you start

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Pedro Melo
On Mar 25, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Remko Tronçon wrote: Apparently Psi does not know what to do when he receives the message from the pubsub node. Yes, it does know what to do with pubsub messages: ignore them, unless they publish to a namespace that is known how to display it in the UI (tunes,

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Fabio Forno
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently Psi does not know what to do when he receives the message from the pubsub node. Yes, it does know what to do with pubsub messages: ignore them, unless they publish to a namespace that is known how to

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread jehan
GMail is an example of 2 different applications clearly separated into one user interface, and integrating on some fronts. I don't have a problem with that. My problem is if you start creating one giant client that does everything, where you soon end up with a user interface that is only mediocre

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Remko Tronçon
Ok for this, but currently do clients tell what are their features? I thought it was only the server which does it. And so the idea would be that when a client connects, it tells to the server I can do this and this, xep-0115 is what you are looking for, and does exactly that. said.

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread jehan
Again, I'm not contesting how useful XMPP/PubSub is for feeds, as opposed to the pull that is currently used. I'm just questioning putting the task of reading feeds in the same program as the one you use to do IM. Apart from the fact that both consist of titles/bodies, and can be carried accross

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Fabio Forno wrote: You are right if you consider present IM clients, which handle content only if they have hardcoded support for that particular namespace. That is the reason for which we stated the API mailing list, IM clients should be able to retrieve also the presentation logic of the

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Remko Tronçon
And even if it is a spam server which will keep your jid, he won't be able to send you notifications) without disturbing you. What do you think of this? Well, you're trying to fight pubsub spim, but that's only a very small part of the picture. Once your jid is out in the open, it can be

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Norman Rasmussen
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM, jehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you are right, the mis-understanding here is that you want several programs dedicated and I want one program for all [...] I think the point is that, yes, XMPP can be used for feeds/atom/pubsub, but Psi the IM application is

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Nick Vidal
Speaking of Psi and a half-baked IM client/feed-reader: http://iss.im/node/5 :) On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Norman Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM, jehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you are right, the mis-understanding here is that you want several

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread jehan
Well, you're trying to fight pubsub spim, but that's only a very small part of the picture. Once your jid is out in the open, it can be used through any channel over XMPP (normal messages, ...). There are efforts to fight spim in general, so I don't think taclking this very specific case is very

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread jehan
Interesting project! Though it is more social networking than feed notification (or at least a mix of both). :-) Jehan Nick Vidal writes: Speaking of Psi and a half-baked IM client/feed-reader: http://iss.im/node/5 :) On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Norman Rasmussen [EMAIL

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Fabio Forno
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, the most important disadvantage of push is probably privacy: with push, you have to provide your contact address in order to get notifications, which can be passed on, and depends on the server to

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Remko Tronçon
but the real added value of XMPP is the possibility to tune delivery accordingly to presence or resources, thus tuning the feed to the Sure, as long as you stay within your roster, all is well. This is why PEP is very well suited for PubSub. However, my argument was that some people believe

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread jehan
Moreover it is not just a bandwidth issue, but the real added value of XMPP is the possibility to tune delivery accordingly to presence or resources, thus tuning the feed to the specific context use. Yes this is a great feature of the pubsub node. There is a configuration on both side. On the

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Fabio Forno wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, the most important disadvantage of push is probably privacy: with push, you have to provide your contact address in order to get notifications, which can be passed on, and depends on

Re: [jdev] another GSoC idea: JMS-to-XMPP bridge

2008-03-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: OK, let's put some information about this on the wiki page, then. :) Done: http://wiki.jabber.org/index.php/Summer_of_Code_2008#JMS-to-XMPP_bridge Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [jdev] another GSoC idea: JMS-to-XMPP bridge

2008-03-25 Thread Fabio Forno
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: OK, let's put some information about this on the wiki page, then. :) Done: http://wiki.jabber.org/index.php/Summer_of_Code_2008#JMS-to-XMPP_bridge superfast ;) -- Fabio Forno, Ph.D.

[jdev] going social

2008-03-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
There's quite a bit of interest in using XMPP within social networking (or, if you must, Web 2.0) applications. Therefore I have started a special list for such discussions: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social Some background here: https://stpeter.im/?p=2177 See you on the list!

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Magnus Henoch
Norman Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the point is that, yes, XMPP can be used for feeds/atom/pubsub, but Psi the IM application is not meant to be a feed-reader. If you want to make an XMPP based feed-reader then you're more than welcome, but that's not the focus of the Psi

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Magnus Henoch wrote: Norman Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the point is that, yes, XMPP can be used for feeds/atom/pubsub, but Psi the IM application is not meant to be a feed-reader. If you want to make an XMPP based feed-reader then you're more than welcome, but that's not

[jdev] GSoC: Jingle hack

2008-03-25 Thread Magnus Henoch
I just wrote a proposal for a GSoC project on the wiki: http://wiki.jabber.org/index.php/Summer_of_Code_2008#Client-Independent_D-Bus_Service_for_Jingle_Audio From previous inquiries I have found that I'm probably the only person enthusiastic about that, but in case I'm wrong: would someone be

Re: [jdev] GSoC: Jingle hack

2008-03-25 Thread Remko Tronçon
From previous inquiries I have found that I'm probably the only person enthusiastic about that, but in case I'm wrong I don't really get how it works (or is supposed to work). Can you explain it a bit? cheers, Remko

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Remko Tronçon
I use my IM client to receive feeds via Mimir. But maybe I'm weird. :) You just get so many messages a day that a few 100 more is neglectible with respect to the rest ;-) That, or you don't really read that many RSS feeds. I get about 600 messages a day, i couldn't imagine the horror of

Re: [jdev] GSoC: Jingle hack

2008-03-25 Thread Magnus Henoch
Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't really get how it works (or is supposed to work). Can you explain it a bit? The client does what it is good at - slinging XML back and forth. When it needs to set up a Jingle session, it asks the component to do so, relaying the necessary

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Remko Tronçon wrote: I use my IM client to receive feeds via Mimir. But maybe I'm weird. :) You just get so many messages a day that a few 100 more is neglectible with respect to the rest ;-) That, or you don't really read that many RSS feeds. I get about 600 messages a day, i couldn't

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Fabio Forno
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but the real added value of XMPP is the possibility to tune delivery accordingly to presence or resources, thus tuning the feed to the Sure, as long as you stay within your roster, all is well. This is why PEP is

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Norman Rasmussen
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right. An XMPP-enabled feed reader would be cool and this really doesn't belong in an IM client, but for now it's the only way that I can receive these things in real time. :) apologies to the list:

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Norman Rasmussen
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use my IM client to receive feeds via Mimir. But maybe I'm weird. :) I used to use rss.jabber.ru, but it seems to be broken now. Mimir looks like a good alternative. -- - Norman Rasmussen - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Sander Devrieze
2008/3/25, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I get about 600 messages a day, i couldn't imagine the horror of getting them all in a linear list of jabber messages from one contact. Moreover, I would constantly have my 'new message' icon blinking all day, so I would start ignoring the icon,

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Sander Devrieze wrote: 2008/3/25, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I get about 600 messages a day, i couldn't imagine the horror of getting them all in a linear list of jabber messages from one contact. Moreover, I would constantly have my 'new message' icon blinking all day, so I would

Re: [jdev] Wordpress plugin

2008-03-25 Thread Jehan
Hello, User Blogging feature wish: * Twitter style blogging * support for tags (so your contacts can opt to subscribe to only a specific tag) * clients will be able to provide a separate interface with history * SoC 2009 project for integration with Wordpress B-) Those sound like good

Re: [jdev] GSoC Proposal: XSD Schema Compiler

2008-03-25 Thread Gerhard Weis
Hi, as you mention ASN.1 and XML. I did some research recently about it, and I found a standard 1:1 mapping for ASN.1 and XML-Schema, and there is also a ASN.1 encoding standard (extended XER or something like that) which ensures, that a structure serialized to XML is valid according to the