This thread makes me remember one of the great strengths of the
Internet. If someone presents their opinion often enough, it'll become
fact.
Sadly, that's not going to change until people stop eating sliced carrots.
/K
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sander Devrieze
Sent: 05 July 2008 09:21 AM
To: Jabber/XMPP software development list
Subject: Re: [jdev] [OT] XMPP icons
2008/7/5 naw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little
Jonathan Dickinson;1555 Wrote:
I think this is a good idea. Sander has enlightened me to GTalk's
success, it is because they don't confuse users with terms such as
Jabber and XMPP, however, it is important to remember your roots. How
about having a 'slogan' under Instant Messaging Client
I think the main problem (I am no expert) is that most average people see
websites as atomical. They connect to live.com and are provided with a IM
client that brands itself as live.com etc. The same goes for Hotmail/Gmail/etc.
Jabber can be confusing in that most users are used to connecting
On Jul 07, 2008, at 11:13, Jonathan Dickinson wrote:
I think the main problem (I am no expert) is that most average
people see websites as atomical. They connect to live.com and are
provided with a IM client that brands itself as live.com etc. The
same goes for Hotmail/Gmail/etc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andreas Monitzer
Sent: 07 July 2008 11:23 AM
To: Jabber/XMPP software development list
Subject: Re: [jdev] [OT] XMPP icons
...
Well, people on Gmail or Hotmail don't assume that they can only email
I really cannot agree to all the last emails about whether XMPP or
Jabber is a better name.
And, as expected, here we go again. Please look at previous threads
(there's one every half year or so), and see how they die down without
any conclusions after many people wasted a lot of time they
On Sun Jul 6 08:57:26 2008, Sander Devrieze wrote:
2008/7/6 Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Coccinella also will change to use the XMPP logo as the bulb
is confusing.
*Sigh*, another XMPP vs Jabber discussion, only this time
disguised in
a logo discussion? Jabber vs. XMPP
Remko Tronçon;1567 Wrote:
I really cannot agree to all the last emails about whether XMPP or
Jabber is a better name.
And, as expected, here we go again. Please look at previous threads
(there's one every half year or so), and see how they die down without
any conclusions after many
2008/7/7 Jonathan Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think this is a good idea. Sander has enlightened me to GTalk's success, it
is because they don't confuse users with terms such as Jabber and XMPP,
however, it is important to remember your roots. How about having a 'slogan'
under Instant
2008/7/7 Dave Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
That said, how did you contact the council? I don't remember anything
on the Council list, for example.
snip
AFAIK that list is private and read-only for the public. (I did send
an email or IM to stpeter and maybe someone else)
But again, this
Sander Devrieze wrote:
2008/7/5 naw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little bulb? For my own, I like it... or at least I
prefer it to this big X which looks really marketing to me (more than
the bulb)...
I also prefer Jabber and the bulb to
Jonathan Dickinson wrote:
It doesn't matter if Aunt Tillie knows if she is using XMPP or not,
as long as she is. And if someone asks her if she is she will be
pleasantly surprised that she is, indeed, using Jabber/XMPP.
Exactly!
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Pedro Melo wrote:
Hi,
in case you need XMPP logo icons, I converted the SVG to PNGs
512x512, 256x256, 128x128 and 64x64, both regular and crushed, with
alpha channel.
You can find them here:
http://www.simplicidade.org/me/xmpp.html
and in a ZIP here:
Sander Devrieze wrote:
2008/7/7 Dave Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
That said, how did you contact the council? I don't remember anything
on the Council list, for example.
snip
AFAIK that list is private and read-only for the public.
True.
(I did send
an email or IM to stpeter and
2008/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
(I did send
an email or IM to stpeter and maybe someone else)
You're always sending me IMs. :P
I'm sure I already send you at least 1 email! :D
But again, this would be a board matter - you ought to re-raise this
on the XSF's Members list,
Sander Devrieze wrote:
2008/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
(I did send
an email or IM to stpeter and maybe someone else)
You're always sending me IMs. :P
I'm sure I already send you at least 1 email! :D
Probably that, too.
But again, this would be a board matter - you
naw wrote:
El Viernes 04 Julio 2008, Sander Devrieze escribió:
2008/7/4 Pedro Melo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
in case you need XMPP logo icons, I converted the SVG to PNGs
512x512, 256x256, 128x128 and 64x64, both regular and crushed, with
alpha channel.
You can find them here:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Lastwebpage Peter Flindt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am fully agree, I use the IRC network, but I don't chat by using a
rfc1459 client. ;)
I can just see it now: Joe's Instant Messenger (POWERED BY RFC3920 and
RFC3921!!!)
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Sander Devrieze wrote:
2008/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jabber is to XMPP as the Web is to HTTP.
Right
Geeks talk about HTTP, but end users talk about web browsers and web sites.
Wrong. When end users read http://www.example.org/;, they will
*associate* this with the address
2008/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sander Devrieze wrote:
2008/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jabber is to XMPP as the Web is to HTTP.
Right
Geeks talk about HTTP, but end users talk about web browsers and web
sites.
Wrong. When end users read
Sander Devrieze;1603 Wrote:
Neither Jabber not XMPP should be used IMHO. Let them use the term
instant messaging, but make them *associate* the term XMPP with
instant messaging. When people (both geeks and end users) see the
term XMPP and/or the logo on a website or in some software, they
2008/7/7 JabberForum [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sander Devrieze;1603 Wrote:
Neither Jabber not XMPP should be used IMHO. Let them use the term
instant messaging, but make them *associate* the term XMPP with
instant messaging. When people (both geeks and end users) see the
term XMPP and/or the logo
Peter has made valid points as seen below my message. What are the
differences between branding and marketing. Branding is an association of a
name to quality, offerings, and perceptions in the market space. Marketing
is a consumer centric message to educate the market and differentiate the
Coccinella also will change to use the XMPP logo as the bulb is confusing.
*Sigh*, another XMPP vs Jabber discussion, only this time disguised in
a logo discussion? Jabber vs. XMPP discussions never come to a
conclusion, so I doubt that the 'Bulb logo' versus 'XMPP logo' will
come to an end.
By
2008/7/6 Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Coccinella also will change to use the XMPP logo as the bulb is confusing.
*Sigh*, another XMPP vs Jabber discussion, only this time disguised in
a logo discussion? Jabber vs. XMPP discussions never come to a
conclusion, so I doubt that the 'Bulb
On 7/6/08, Remko Tronçon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Coccinella also will change to use the XMPP logo as the bulb is
confusing.
*Sigh*, another XMPP vs Jabber discussion, only this time disguised in
a logo discussion? Jabber vs. XMPP discussions never come to a
conclusion, so I doubt that the
2008/7/5 naw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little bulb? For my own, I like it... or at least I
prefer it to this big X which looks really marketing to me (more than
the bulb)...
I also prefer Jabber and the bulb to XMPP and the X.
The
Sander Devrieze wrote on 05.07.2008 n Message
[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
2008/7/5 naw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little bulb? For my own, I like it... or at least I
prefer it to this big X which looks really marketing to me (more than
the
Sander Devrieze;1533 Wrote:
The title tag on the Coccinella website was changed to Instant
Messaging Client with Whiteboard. The old title tag was something
like Jabber Client with Whiteboard. Instant messaging client is
better known to non-geek users than Jabber client or XMPP client.
2008/7/5 Lastwebpage Peter Flindt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sander Devrieze wrote on 05.07.2008 n Message
[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
2008/7/5 naw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little bulb? For my own, I like it... or at least I
prefer it to this big X
Sander Devrieze wrote on 05.07.2008 n Message
[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
2008/7/5 Lastwebpage Peter Flindt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sander Devrieze wrote on 05.07.2008 n Message
[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
2008/7/5 naw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little bulb?
Hi,
in case you need XMPP logo icons, I converted the SVG to PNGs
512x512, 256x256, 128x128 and 64x64, both regular and crushed, with
alpha channel.
You can find them here:
http://www.simplicidade.org/me/xmpp.html
and in a ZIP here:
http://www.simplicidade.org/me/xmpp.zip
I've also sent
2008/7/4 Pedro Melo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
in case you need XMPP logo icons, I converted the SVG to PNGs
512x512, 256x256, 128x128 and 64x64, both regular and crushed, with
alpha channel.
You can find them here:
http://www.simplicidade.org/me/xmpp.html
and in a ZIP here:
El Viernes 04 Julio 2008, Sander Devrieze escribió:
2008/7/4 Pedro Melo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
in case you need XMPP logo icons, I converted the SVG to PNGs
512x512, 256x256, 128x128 and 64x64, both regular and crushed, with
alpha channel.
You can find them here:
I am a litte bit confuse too.
I never seen this XMPP X anywhere, execept for the xmpp.org site and
maybe wikipedia.com .
But the clients connect to the XMPP based jabber network, therefore, in
my opinion, the bulb icon is okay.
Peter
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Lastwebpage
2008/7/4 naw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
El Viernes 04 Julio 2008, Sander Devrieze escribió:
2008/7/4 Pedro Melo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
in case you need XMPP logo icons, I converted the SVG to PNGs
512x512, 256x256, 128x128 and 64x64, both regular and crushed, with
alpha channel.
You can
What about this little bulb? For my own, I like it... or at least I
prefer it to this big X which looks really marketing to me (more than
the bulb)...
Jehan
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El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little bulb? For my own, I like it... or at least I
prefer it to this big X which looks really marketing to me (more than
the bulb)...
I also prefer Jabber and the bulb to XMPP and the X. And I think that for
the average user
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 01:24 +0200, naw wrote:
El Sábado 05 Julio 2008, JabberForum escribió:
What about this little bulb? For my own, I like it... or at least I
prefer it to this big X which looks really marketing to me (more than
the bulb)...
I also prefer Jabber and the bulb to XMPP
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