Re: [jdev] SSL/TLS versions

2013-11-15 Thread Simon Tennant
Are we talking about c2s, s2s or both? I'm loving watching the results on http://xmpp.net/list.php and noticing sites improving their security. What I'd still like is a rolling security average. Something like - average result in last 24 hours, 7 days, 30 days, year. (/me goes to log a feature

Re: [jdev] SSL/TLS versions

2013-11-15 Thread Kevin Smith
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.imwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Wild has run some analytics on SSL/TLS versions negotiated over a period of time at the jabber.org XMPP service. The percentages were roughly as follows: TLS

Re: [jdev] SSL/TLS versions

2013-11-15 Thread Mathieu Pasquet
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 09:54:01AM +0100, Simon Tennant wrote: Are we talking about c2s, s2s or both? I'm loving watching the results on http://xmpp.net/list.php and noticing sites improving their security. What I'd still like is a rolling security average. Something like - average

Re: [jdev] manifesto DANE does not cut it

2013-11-15 Thread Ralf Skyper Kaiser
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Matt Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.netwrote: On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Ralf Skyper Kaiser sky...@thc.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Matt Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: On Nov 14, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Ralf Skyper Kaiser

Re: [jdev] SSL/TLS versions

2013-11-15 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:33 AM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.imwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Wild has run some analytics on SSL/TLS versions negotiated over a period of time at the

Re: [jdev] https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto and additional ideas

2013-11-15 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 14-11-13 18:47, Ralf Skyper Kaiser wrote: Hi, d. How is the jabber server admin in control when everyone has to trust the master root key and all subsequent keys up to the sub domain of the jabber server? That's not in the control of the jabber admin. Please take some time to study DNSSEC

Re: [jdev] manifesto DANE does not cut it

2013-11-15 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 15-11-13 10:30, Ralf Skyper Kaiser wrote: Hi, 1. You are a gay person in Iran 2. An Atheist in Saudi Arabia (or a women) 3. Leonardo da Vinci and dare to suggest that the earth is round 4. A black person wishing to sit in the front row of a bus 5 ... One of the lessons from Snowden is

Re: [jdev] https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto and additional ideas

2013-11-15 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Winfried Tilanus winfr...@tilanus.comwrote: Now take a look at the manifesto. It states: provide user or administrative interfaces showing: (...) o a warning about any changes to a server's certificate that last point IS certificate pinning. That's

Re: [jdev] https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto and additional ideas

2013-11-15 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 11/15/2013 12:52 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: Hi, That's not quite what Ralf is asking for. He's asking for (one of the) pinning mechanisms which allow a certificate transition to itself be authenticated. @Ralf: sorry for not misinterpreting your proposal. @Dave: thanks for the correction.

Re: [jdev] https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto and additional ideas

2013-11-15 Thread Ralf Skyper Kaiser
Hi, I agree that DNSSEC (and DANE) provides significant security advantages compared to the status quo. I note that with DNSSEC the trust is still with ROOT MASTER KEY which is geopolitically aligned with US (and US policy). I note that with pinning this problem goes away: The certificate no

Re: [jdev] https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto and additional ideas

2013-11-15 Thread Ralf Skyper Kaiser
Hi On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Winfried Tilanus winfr...@tilanus.comwrote: On 14-11-13 18:47, Ralf Skyper Kaiser wrote: Hi, d. How is the jabber server admin in control when everyone has to trust the master root key and all subsequent keys up to the sub domain of the jabber

Re: [jdev] manifesto DANE does not cut it

2013-11-15 Thread Ralf Skyper Kaiser
Hi, Definition: - POST-Prism means the time after PRISM. What we know now. It does not imply that PRISM ever carried out a DNSSEC or DNS attack. Sorry if this was not clear. - Khomeini: Sorry, you are right. He is dead. Use Khamenei. Sorry for the typo. Makes zero difference. Let's stay

Re: [jdev] SSL/TLS versions

2013-11-15 Thread Matthew Wild
On 15 November 2013 08:54, Simon Tennant si...@buddycloud.com wrote: Are we talking about c2s, s2s or both? These are c2s on 5222 only. Regards, Matthew ___ JDev mailing list Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev Unsubscribe: