Dear all,
I fully agree with Henry's considerations. This might be a nontrivial
issue for the future of Jmol.
On the other hand, I also hope that things may be simpler, as Nico is
presenting them.
I would not like to give up using the applet!
Nico, I downloaded yout test signed Jmol and run a
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es wrote:
Indeed, when I looked at the applet files, they are not dated 4 Nov
as the main files, but 31 Oct, so maybe the old nonsigned files got
in the package?
Thanks Angel, I will look into it this evening.
I made several
On 6 Nov 2013, at 08:45, Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es wrote:
Dear all,
I fully agree with Henry's considerations. This might be a nontrivial
issue for the future of Jmol.
On the other hand, I also hope that things may be simpler, as Nico is
presenting them.
I would not like to
On 6 November 2013 11:02, Rzepa, Henry S h.rz...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
On 6 Nov 2013, at 08:45, Angel Herráez angel.herr...@uah.es wrote:
Dear all,
I fully agree with Henry's considerations. This might be a nontrivial
issue for the future of Jmol.
On the other hand, I also hope that
On 6 Nov 2013, at 09:20, Nina Jeliazkova jeliazkova.n...@gmail.com wrote:
JavaScript is pretty much catching up in speed and ubiquity. Many benchmarks
point in this direction
http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=alllang=v8lang2=javadata=u64
Best regards,
Although Jsmol is impressive, far too often I get 'script taking too long'
messages from the browser, so although I believe the future of Jmol
lies in Jsmol, I woul not like to lose the java applet at this time
simply because of
supposed security threats...
Cheers
Simon
Quoting Rzepa,
Nicolas Vervelle wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Rzepa, Henry S h.rz...@imperial.ac.ukwrote:
I think this is great for testing, but what will happen in “production
mode” Inevitably when one talks to large organisations (as I did with the
ACS and RSC), they ask “what will our lawyers
We have a similar problem at Imperial College in our finance division. On
line access to the accounting system is via a Java applet! At the moment, this
is self-signed, and so they have the same problem as Jmol has. One presumes
that anything to do with finance will have to be carefully
I have been in touch with an organization that is prepared to
sponsor the certification - i.e. they will donate the money -
but it is unlikely that they would want the certificate in their name,
partly because of the legal considerations and partly because they
feel strongly that such
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, s...@publcif.co.uk wrote:
Although Jmol is opensource, I assume the certificate isnt, so there
shouldnt
be an issue with anyone modifying the Jmol source and putting it out with
the same certificate - pointless exercise otherwise?
I think that the
we will be experimenting with trusted-certificate code signing today. Stay
tuned!
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Nicolas Vervelle nverve...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, s...@publcif.co.uk wrote:
Although Jmol is opensource, I assume the certificate isnt, so there
On 3 Nov 2013, at 08:57, Nicolas Vervelle nverve...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bob,
I know I have a full certificate, valid for one year, but it's unclear what I
will have to do in one year : I'm not sure if renewal is still free or
requires some money.
It's the only option I found that
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Rzepa, Henry S h.rz...@imperial.ac.ukwrote:
I have been discussing this with the ACS and RSC; I have a total of about
40 Jmol objects in these and other journals which rely on the Jmol applet
working in a browser. They will all die in Jan 2014 unless
The only free certificates I've found for now are for one individual, not an
organisation.
The one I got from Certum requires a true name, with a copy of an id
document, so that they have some guarantee.
I think this is great for testing, but what will happen in “production mode”
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Rzepa, Henry S h.rz...@imperial.ac.ukwrote:
The only free certificates I've found for now are for one individual,
not an organisation.
The one I got from Certum requires a true name, with a copy of an id
document, so that they have some guarantee.
I
Hi Bob,
I know I have a full certificate, valid for one year, but it's unclear what
I will have to do in one year : I'm not sure if renewal is still free or
requires some money.
It's the only option I found that allowed me to have a free code signing
certificate for the moment, so I decided to
Excellent. Will this also be true for the applet version?
In one year from now we’ll see if Java's still required, and, if the renewal
requires a payment, find sources for that.
Jaim
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Dr Jaime Prilusky
Head Bioinformatics
RD Bioinformatics and Data Management
Department of Biological Services
Hi,
Yes, I think it's the same for applets as for Java Web Start applications.
I haven't tested, but I see no reasons for it to be different.
Nico
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Jaime Prilusky
jaime.prilu...@weizmann.ac.il wrote:
Excellent. Will this also be true for the applet version?
Assuming the $500 certificate ensures that the signed Jmol java applet
will not be blocked (?), I suspect there are a number of organizations that
would be prepared to become sponsors...
Quoting Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu:
I direct the discussion to
Ouch!
I've been out of the loop for a while trying to get caught up on local work
issues. This does not sound good. As I read the description from Oracle the
only way to use Java in browsers that does not require a commercial certificate
and a codebase compiled for each server (possibly you
Hi Jonathan,
I think we can try using free certificates, I've got one 2 weeks ago from
certum as they give them for free to open source developers.
I'm using it for a Java application, and it seems to work a lot better than
with the self signed one.
If need be, I can sign a Jmol version with it
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Jonathan Gutow gu...@uwosh.edu wrote:
Ouch!
I've been out of the loop for a while trying to get caught up on local
work issues. This does not sound good. As I read the description from
Oracle the only way to use Java in browsers that does not require a
hang in there. I think we will be ok. But, Nico, are you sure you don't
have a 'trial version'
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Nicolas Vervelle nverve...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Jonathan,
I think we can try using free certificates, I've got one 2 weeks ago from
certum as they give them for free
I direct the discussion to
https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/entry/new_security_requirements_for_rias
I believe this is the end of the unsigned Jmol Java applet along with
JSpecView and JME.
In addition, I'm pretty sure our free-be signing will not pass muster as a
trusted authority:
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