Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol Anniversaries?

[Rzepa, Henry S]

Tom Grey, who is listed in the Jmol hall of fame, occupied a student desk in 
the communal comp chem section where  I was, and he must have filled me in on 
the early developments.  I know that  Java was released in mid 1996, and apps  
started emerging in 1997. Perhaps  Jmol was developed/gestated relatively  
“silently” during the period 1997-2001?, before it acquired a sourceforge 
presence (SF was only founded in 1999 and released for use in 2000!).  

I have literally just (re)discovered this page from 1997: 
http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/java/   (Last Update: 
August 11, 1997) which lists a whole bunch of java applets developed around  or 
less than a year since the language was released by Sun.  

This one, http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/java/applets/f2m2f/ 
  was written around August 1996 by 
a french student Guillaume Cottenceau  visiting London, and it still works!   I 
wonder what happened to him?

This one http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/nmr/   
comes from August 1997  and contains NMR and MS spectral viewers which also 
still work!

So despite all the security issues etc, 20 year old  Java is still capable of 
running! 

My reason for posing the question "Jmol Anniversaries?”  is that  I thought the 
20th anniversary might have been approaching.   Perhaps indeed it has? (PS the 
server http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk   started operation in 
August 1993 and probably contains a treasure trove of historical items which 
might reveal an answer?)

Henry Rzepa, http://orcid.org/-0002-8635-8390




> On 7 Jun 2017, at 09:26, C Anthony Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Henry,
>  
> I guess the jmol-user list archive 
> (https://sourceforge.net/p/jmol/mailman/jmol-users/ 
> ) might help with dates 
> for at least the last two. I note this archive goes back to 18/4/2001 at this 
> location, with the first message being one from you. However, this seems to 
> be a follow-up to an earlier message but I’m not sure where earlier messages 
> are archived, although I may have saved something locally.
>  
> Anthony
>  



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Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol Anniversaries?

[Paul PILLOT]

Hi,
digging in sourceforge jmol-developers list, I found that Bob starts appearing 
as a recurring character in 2005 and secures the leading role in developping 
Jmol in mid 2006 after having exhausted Miguel with thousands of messages and 
commits. That was around Jmol v10.x
It looks like we missed the 10th anniversary celebration ;)
As for Jsmol, there was an article published in 2013 announcing its release 
(was issued some month after the initial Jsmol tour de force) : 
https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/2013_Hanson_Prilusky_IJC.pdf 


Paul

> Le 08-06-2017 à 11:09, Eric Martz  a écrit :
> 
> Hi Henry,
> I have a paragraph of Jmol history in footnote 1 here:
> 
> http://proteopedia.org/w/Jmol 
> Which leads to early history by searching for "jmol" at openscience.org:
> http://openscience.org/?s=jmol 
> Much of Jmol's command language was invented by Roger Sayle when he created 
> RasMol. Tim Maffet used Roger's public domain source code when he created the 
> browser plug-in MDL Chime, which was the best within-browser solution from 
> 1996 until Jmol superceded it ca. 2006. Thus, Chime included most of RasMol's 
> command language. Michael "Miguel" Howard, who I believe first adapted Jmol 
> to display macromolecules, incorporated the RasMol/Chime command language 
> into Jmol, facilitating the transitions of RasMol and Chime users to Jmol. Of 
> course Jmol's command language is now vastly larger and more powerful and 
> complex than the languages of RasMol & Chime. But the original RasMol 
> language is still a core subset.
> Although far from complete, quite a bit of pre-Jmol history is here, 
> including physical models and early computer graphics:
> 
> http://History.MolviZ.Org 
> -Eric
> On 6/7/17 2:28 AM, Rzepa, Henry S wrote:
>> Does anyone know the various anniversary dates?
>> 
>> 1. Jmol (was it really only released in 2001?  I thought it came about just 
>> a year or so after  Java itself was released in 1996?)
>> 2. JSmol (2014?)
>> 3. Bob’s own entry after Miguel handed on (??)
>> 
>> Is there a hall of fame, going back perchance to  Xmol (which started the 
>> bandwagon, + Rasmol as a separate fork?) and key timelines/contributors? The 
>> Jmol Wikipedia page is not that strong on the history).
>> 
>> Henry Rzepa, http://orcid.org/-0002-8635-8390 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol Anniversaries?

[Eric Martz]

Hi Henry,

I have a paragraph of Jmol history in footnote 1 here:

http://proteopedia.org/w/Jmol

Which leads to early history by searching for "jmol" at openscience.org:

http://openscience.org/?s=jmol

Much of Jmol's command language was invented by Roger Sayle when he 
created RasMol. Tim Maffet used Roger's public domain source code when 
he created the browser plug-in MDL Chime, which was the best 
within-browser solution from 1996 until Jmol superceded it ca. 2006. 
Thus, Chime included most of RasMol's command language. Michael "Miguel" 
Howard, who I believe first adapted Jmol to display macromolecules, 
incorporated the RasMol/Chime command language into Jmol, facilitating 
the transitions of RasMol and Chime users to Jmol. Of course Jmol's 
command language is now vastly larger and more powerful and complex than 
the languages of RasMol & Chime. But the original RasMol language is 
still a core subset.


Although far from complete, quite a bit of pre-Jmol history is here, 
including physical models and early computer graphics:


http://History.MolviZ.Org

-Eric

On 6/7/17 2:28 AM, Rzepa, Henry S wrote:

Does anyone know the various anniversary dates?

1. Jmol (was it really only released in 2001?  I thought it came about 
just a year or so after  Java itself was released in 1996?)

2. JSmol (2014?)
3. Bob’s own entry after Miguel handed on (??)

Is there a hall of fame, going back perchance to  Xmol (which started 
the bandwagon, + Rasmol as a separate fork?) and key 
timelines/contributors? The Jmol Wikipedia page is not that strong on 
the history).


Henry Rzepa, http://orcid.org/-0002-8635-8390

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Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol Anniversaries?

[C Anthony Lewis]

Hi Henry,

I guess the jmol-user list archive 
(https://sourceforge.net/p/jmol/mailman/jmol-users/) might help with dates for 
at least the last two. I note this archive goes back to 18/4/2001 at this 
location, with the first message being one from you. However, this seems to be 
a follow-up to an earlier message but I’m not sure where earlier messages are 
archived, although I may have saved something locally.

Anthony

From: Rzepa, Henry S [mailto:h.rz...@imperial.ac.uk]
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Subject: [Jmol-users] Jmol Anniversaries?

Does anyone know the various anniversary dates?

1. Jmol (was it really only released in 2001?  I thought it came about just a 
year or so after  Java itself was released in 1996?)
2. JSmol (2014?)
3. Bob’s own entry after Miguel handed on (??)

Is there a hall of fame, going back perchance to  Xmol (which started the 
bandwagon, + Rasmol as a separate fork?) and key timelines/contributors? The 
Jmol Wikipedia page is not that strong on the history).

Henry Rzepa, http://orcid.org/-0002-8635-8390



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Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol Anniversaries?

[Angel Herráez]

Henry, there is some recollection on history at
http://jmol.sourceforge.net/history/index.en.html

which I made time ago from several sources. I cannot guarantee its accuracy 
or completeness

Maybe I will move that to a page in the Wiki -- that's an idea


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[Jmol-users] Jmol Anniversaries?

[Rzepa, Henry S]

Does anyone know the various anniversary dates?

1. Jmol (was it really only released in 2001?  I thought it came about just a 
year or so after  Java itself was released in 1996?)
2. JSmol (2014?)
3. Bob’s own entry after Miguel handed on (??)

Is there a hall of fame, going back perchance to  Xmol (which started the 
bandwagon, + Rasmol as a separate fork?) and key timelines/contributors? The 
Jmol Wikipedia page is not that strong on the history).

Henry Rzepa, http://orcid.org/-0002-8635-8390





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