Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-02 Thread David Earl
On 02/05/2012 03:01, Russ Nelson wrote: About once a month I need to move an entire way. I don't understand the use case for this feature. Can somebody (preferably somebody who uses it every day) explain it to me? I use it all the time (though I too get hit by accidental moves a lot as well -

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/2 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: At 2012-05-01 19:01, Russ Nelson wrote: Having said that, because I rarely draw buildings, most of the time I end up moving a way in JOSM, it's a mistake. It usually happens when trying to select one of the midpoint 'x' to create a new node and

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-02 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-05-02 06:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/2 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: At 2012-05-01 19:01, Russ Nelson wrote: Having said that, because I rarely draw buildings, most of the time I end up moving a way in JOSM, it's a mistake. It usually happens when trying to

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Alan Mintz writes: I don't use it every day, but those who draw buildings do (or should). Draw the roof of a tall building. Drag (usually somewhat diagonally) the whole (closed) way to move it to the correct ground position, based on whichever corner is visible at ground level. A,

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-02 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Russ Nelson wrote: Alan Mintz writes: I don't use it every day, but those who draw buildings do (or should). Draw the roof of a tall building. Drag (usually somewhat diagonally) the whole (closed) way to move it to the correct ground position, based on whichever corner

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Dirk Stöcker writes: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: is also not planned I think). There's just one big annoyance introduced: the key for delete mode. This now is impossible to select with just one hand, so you have to get the other hand off the mouse which really

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-01 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Dirk Stöcker writes:   On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:     is also not planned I think). There's just one big annoyance   introduced: the key for delete mode. This now is impossible to select   with just

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/1 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Dirk Stöcker writes: Oh, good, then can we get rid of the drag to move things feature for ways?  Most of what I would call vandalism turns out to be somebody who dragged a whole way when they meant to move a single node. This problem has become worse

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/1 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: You can still move a node that is part of a way. Your mouse cursor just has to be inside the tiny square. I think there used to be a small buffer around it that got removed. in latest I don't see the buffer removed. Do you have highlighting

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/4/30 Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de: The D key removal was actually requested, as too many people accidentially deleted stuff. If you have trouble with DEL key, then reassign the function to D. Together with shortcuts changes the whole system was reworked, so that local key

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-05-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Toby Murray writes: Partially because of this I tend to just use the w mode to move nodes that are part of a way. OH YEAH BABY! 'w' mode is the cat's meow. Kudos to everybody who worked on that. I do most of my editing in 'w' mode now. But I do get hit by this every once in a while and

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: In principle, it is not a good idea to change long established customs. This has been decided a looong time ago due to a russian forum complain: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2012-February/006033.html Our

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: My apologies for ranting, but please do not change shortcuts that were in use for I-know-not-how long. I just downloaded rev 5181 and found that the d key did not work. Someone decided that it should be the delete key. It is the delete key for

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/4/30 colliar colliar4e...@aol.com: On 30/04/12 16:54, Maarten Deen wrote: Pieren wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: The whole short cut system changed and improved. In this process some short cuts changed, but should not change in the near future.

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: To continue my rant: N used to be the method to place one node only. That seems to have disappeared too. It looks like I now have to start drawing a way with A and then press escape to end drawing the way so I can change its properties. 'N' was

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Maarten Deen
On 30-4-2012 18:46, Dirk Stöcker wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: To continue my rant: N used to be the method to place one node only. That seems to have disappeared too. It looks like I now have to start drawing a way with A and then press escape to end drawing the way so I can

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: is also not planned I think). There's just one big annoyance introduced: the key for delete mode. This now is impossible to select with just one hand, so you have to get the other hand off the mouse which really disturbs workflow. The D key

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: 'N' was simply a secondary key for 'A' for a very long time now. It had exactly same function and thus has been removed. To place a single node use SHIFT + Click or ESC and afterwards Click. N had not the same function. A starts a way, N sets a

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Maarten Deen
Dirk Stöcker wrote: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Maarten Deen wrote: 'N' was simply a secondary key for 'A' for a very long time now. It had exactly same function and thus has been removed. To place a single node use SHIFT + Click or ESC and afterwards Click. N had not the same function. A starts

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread David Earl
On 30/04/2012 18:00, Dirk Stöcker wrote: The D key removal was actually requested, as too many people accidentially deleted stuff. Absolutely - hugely better, thank you! The problem was it was right next to the S key so you ended up deleting stuff instead of selecting it. I was used to

Re: [josm-dev] Please do not change long established shortcuts

2012-04-30 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Absolutely - hugely better, thank you! The problem was it was right next to the S key so you ended up deleting stuff instead of selecting it. I don't know how small are you keyboard keys (or fat your fingers) but I