Sorry for the delay, when I did not saw it coming I realized I did not
reply to all
Jo
When we lived in England, I learned that glass curtains were only the
sheer fabric that were hung over glass windows. I think perhaps that is
what Jo referred to rather than Fiberglass curtains. They
Clew
Likewise, this word comes from an Anglo-Saxon original, and it always
seems to have meant rolled into a ball: not just of yarn, but a ball of
anything
In Dutch we have a word written differently. I only recognized the
similarity in sound when I read the description above. Usually we use
Dear Spiders
My question might look a bit weird but perhaps together you are inventive. I
have this rather technical diagram with a tree in the centre:
http://bobbinwork.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/class-diagrams2.gif
Please stay with me, I don't expect you to understand the full technical
A class diagram! How cool! I work with them but have never
seen them used for bobbin lace.
Avital
If you happen to use them for Java development, you could consider joining
my project at http://bobbinwork.googlecode.com
Jo
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When I used the other wire which is 24 gauge, I wound it
around a bobbin which is obviously a huge part of the kinking
problem
When winding your bobbins, rotate the bobbin around it own axis. Don't let
the bobbin make circles aound the fingers that guide the thread. Better for
threads too,
I once had had a much less complicated conversation. I was lacing during my
holliday in a hotel lobby on a miniature version of Carols Milenese spider.
A big version I made previously served as a reference. An interesting staff
member took notice
Q: could you make me a ...?
A: how much are you
by Margot Walker
Bev may be thinking of: http://www.powerofhandsfoundation.co.uk/
Or
http://www.folkartsrilanka.org/PhotoGallery/zphoto.2007-03-13.5391245212/zph
oto_view
Tsunami recovery assistance
http://www.responsibletourismsrilanka.org/whats_new.html
Dear spiders
On English list I usually sign with Jo, but my full first name is Joke (the
Dutch female version of Johny). I'm looking for expressions with the joker
in a deck of cards.
Jo
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Onderwerp: Re: [lace] OT question (about my first name/Joker)
You might like The joker is wild. In cards, a wild card is
one that can have any value.
I believe your name is pronounced with the 'e' - in English
'yo-key' (or do you pronounce the 'j
In game shows, the expression play the joker is used in the
way you describe.
Thanks, I gueas that is what I was looking for, sorry for the detour.
Jo
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if you have to ask you can't aford...
On http://archrecord.construction.com/products/potm/
It sais:
The company currently produces a minimum of 2,700 square feet of fencing per
month in costs ranging from $17 to $30 per square foot.
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the abay nr is ebay nr 110428639339
I'm not an expert, so just my two cents:
Could it be the gimps and seam are hand handembroidered?
Jo
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But... the 60 is a definition of the size of each ply... so 60/2 is
1/3 smaller than 60/3.
1/3 smaller in weight per length indeed. The difference in diameter is
smaller. To skip the mathematics: try for yourself with a set of pearls an
sqeeze them in a circle. Take out a third to represent
I think it might be better described as the beginning
determined by how we're going to do the end
This description indeed tells better what the book is about. But Ulrike
allways chooses titles with a ;-)
The beginning of the end is in Dutch (so I suppose in het native tongue
Greman too) a
Anny body who knows what happend with the site of Rosanna? The link below
shows a partially arhcived version.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071124034203/http://www.dentellieres.com/
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This advise sounds like king Solomon
To be totally honest, if your husband thinks your bobbin
collection is worth $10,000, I think you should insist that
he take it as part of the marital settlement, it is the best
offer that you are going to get for it.
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I tried to capture one or two screenshots, but it is somehow tecnically
protected. The old fence is one on http://www.demakersvan.com/ but imagine
it in front of some 10-story building, like
http://207.44.228.232/photopost/data//2/5Couwenhoven_flat_20.jpg
By the way, wouldn't it be an idea with
About 3/4 of the program
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=9256088
It's Dutch but the video controlls speak for themselfs.
Jo
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My mantra usually sounds something like: You can make it as simple and
complesx as you want. Not as poetic as the sudoku.
Last time I demo'd I did some flanders myself as a (relatively) complex
version, and had a 3-pair try-it-your-self fish as a simple version.
Teenagers loved the fish. Adults
The Germans call it schwammgrund, a schwam is a sponge. It is a repeating
ct/ctct. I don't remember links to the final effect. It can be quite
different depending on the density.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/chaos.gif
The program you can find on http://bw-en.wikispaces.com/ It is still under
I guess much depends on how exact you want your bobbins to stay in order, or
don't mind to untwist a few. On the details of the congne page you see how
they don't mind too much. I saw them working this way. They just touch the
bobbins looking at their work to see which thread moves and thus know
Reminds me how I started. Closely observing a lady in a street fair I had
something like this in mind and tried at home. Next action: to the library
for a book with instructions.
Onderwerp: [lace] or these instructions?
http://www.essortment.com/articles/make-handmade-lace_6501.htm
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But www.tat-man.net not yet?
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The bouncing is another problem, I'll look into that. Thanks for the info.
The problem I feared was about new entries. It appears to be no problem at
all.
Jo Falkink
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I've just tried to remove myself from the
example of a koevoetje
http://www.scharlaeken.be/cms_images/12473_CI1.jpg
Without the 'je' it becomes a big heavy burglars tool
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The last three weeks there were no new entries on the lacemakers map. It has
never been so quiet while it never has been so busy the weeks before, so
somehow I fear it is broken. I tried it for my self but I still seem to be
able to add a new entry. Could somebody else try?
Jo Falkink
developper
No problem. As a moderator I deleted the duplicate.
I just added
myself Jo, trouble is I seem to be there twice!
jenny barron
Scotland
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And the forum is added to the overview of lace design software:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/SoftKlos-EN.html
Jo
Ian has now set up the forum for RXP owners.
If you'd like to join up, go to www.lacerxp.com/forum and sign up.
...
Ruth
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Sorry spiders, I made a typo: the book reads Schwamm.
And Tamara's dictionary proved my German is a bit rusty.
Jo
a sponge is a Schwamm in German
Schlamm is in English as Sue mentioned mould
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The ground is also in Viele Gute Gruende III, almost in the back: D4.1 she
calls it Schammgrund. It looks quite regular.
Some other eamples
http://www.lokk.nl/kbarchief/kb12007/kb1a02%20met%20kleur.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/GrannyLaurin/omenominkoperkleur.jpg
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calls it Schammgrund
What does Schwamm- mean.
Schwamm is close to a dutch word for muschroom, or perheaps what grows on
fruit and vegetables when you keep it too long. I'm too lazy to get a
dictionary.
Jo
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But certainly first time around I'd like to make the patterns
as the author intended
There are different types of authors. On one extreme you have those who are
almost religious in doing things the traditional way. Other authors rather
think have fun and only give the details because they know
right side?
rechte is right (as opposed to left).
Rechte rand is 'straight edge', opposed to 'left side' it would be
rechteR KANT.
Kant is both lace and side ;-) (and a philosofer, so have fun when
googeling)
From the linguistic/etimology point of view: knipschaar is a funny word:
schaar is a
Perhaps even more accurate: copy the pricking slightly larger
and sling the worker around its pins.
Jo
So, hot tip for using variegated thread - wrap the thread around
various widths of card to test the limits of the colour sequence.
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If I'm not mistaken the thread is about the following page
http://www.tat-man.net/bobbinlace/Schneeburg_flower.html
And I found page 104 in de techniek van het kantklossen van Anelie van
Olffen
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/tmp.png
Jo
According to the pattern I have, it is a desigh by Mira
Maybe add the names to
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pqBZkXTYrukMmT23E8JxQVQ
Achim, would it be possible to add pictures or links to pictures
Jo
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I'm afraid all these solutions are for the thicker needles while the thinner
needles cause the most trouble.
Jo
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It is on page 164 of the folowing book
http://www.librarything.nl/work/4002857
I suppose it is from the author
see it here on my blog: http://www.tat-man.net/blog
I had downloaded the pic a long time ago and don't recall where it
came from. If any of you know the creator, I would
You can find 2 on the lacemakers map of our lacefairy
http://lace.lacefairy.com/Map
Jo
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/eval-EN.html
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Hello spiders
At last some visible changes in my free program for working diagrams. It
generates a few more grounds and should be easier to launch/install. You can
find the program and everything about it when you start at
http://bw-en.wikispaces.com/ Unfortunately it still takes a few seconds to
I started the first band forming the
head/face of the unicorn and got stuck at the nose. How do I
have to work the relief? Does anybody know the pattern? I
could scan it if this helps.
I forwarded your request to
http://www.librarything.com/talktopic.php?topic=33270
I hope one of the
Are there any arachne members, lacemakers on Malta?
Don't know whether they are on Arachne but http://lace.lacefairy.com/Map/
has 4 entries, one with an e-mail address
Jo
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/eval-EN.html
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I read on Arachne that you added some Japanese sites to
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/linknew-EN.html
but I can't find them there. Could you please tell me where I
can find them?
Thanks for telling, I forgot one step in the update sequence. Should be ok
now. Scroll down a little to
Hummm - the homepage doesn't recognize the password -
honiton. Any suggestions?
http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003-date
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I skimmed the first 10 pages of googling with bobbin lace site:.jp and
added the most interesting to
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/linknew-EN.html
It is still an unorganised mess
Jo
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Hello Spiders
I'm developing open source software for bobbin lace makers. To keep this
message short you can read all about it on http://bw-en.wikispaces.com/
open source means you don't need to wait for me for improvements. You can
do it yourself or ask someone else and share the result with the
The Dutch lace association had 3000 members a few years ago. The magazine is
translated into English, so there might be some duplicates with the Catalan,
but my guess 10.000 is a way too low guestimate.
I can say that they exist at least 5000 lacemakers, only here
in my area of Catalunya
Being just a happy user I would recommend LibraryThing to register errata
and other details about (lace) books.
The site lets you link messages to books and the other way arround. See for
example
http://www.librarything.com/work/1190846/conversations
Don't overlook a detail: I used it on a bolster pillow, not on a flat one
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/hang-EN.html
But if anyone also sees its use on a flat pillow I'd be curious.
Jo wrote:
scrapbook spines to keep the bobbins in a row
What a smart idea! I will try the scrapbook
I use drinking straws to protect the thread on the bobbins, and scrapbook
spines to keep the bobbins in a row on a bolster. Demonstrated at
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/hang-EN.html
Jo
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blow: the hotel I wanted to stay in for the Congress itself
was uavailable (fully booked, I guess) and the only
Don't focus on Groningen. Heerenveen, Leeuwarden are not farther away from
the course centre. Or rent a cottage in a cetre park with a few friends.
You are used to much longer
Last summer I spent a full (rainy) day in Tonder and Mogel Tonder (with a
pitoresque main street, church and more). Lacewise there is the dependance
of the museum in Tonder with a permanent and a changing exhibition. I also
visited open air museums (free of charge) with lace classrooms: Odense
Is there anyone out there that might know of a teacher or
group for her? She lives in Spearfish, South Dakota.
Not much on the lacemakers map in that area :-(
Jo Falkink
developper of the map page owned by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://lace.lacefairy.com/Map
Spiders
It appeared that the public version of the lace Glossary (the one that
should visible without a google account) didn't reflect the latest updates.
I tried to fix that. It is available in the following formats:
HTML (to view online)
Hello Spiders
Some days ago I promised to be busy with something more interesting. I took
me several weeks of research, rework and other preparations. But at last the
BobbinWork project is published as open source software. That means further
development no longer depends solely on my spare time
Achim, I wonder if it is a good idea that anyone who signs in
to Google can edit this spreadsheet.
Esther
If you are not on Arachne you've missed I started it as a wiki a few days
ago. No I'm lying, I started it the first of August 2006 as a database in
the yahoo group bobbinlace. I'm glad
Jo, could you go in and add indications of which words are
the verbs and which are the nouns.
I could, but I don't, you can do it yourself. Not to be unfriendly but I'm
preparing even greater things. The more people co-operatively work on a
wiki, the better it becomes. I laid the foundation,
CorelDraw indeed has its own format. I guess the Lace Guild should be able
to help you, they should open the photographs one by one and then sava them
as jpg.
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and hope that anyone replying to Amanda's email will post to
Arachne as well so that I can store the translations away for
future reference.
I just created http://laceglossary.wikispaces.com/ Anyone can improve it,
rearrange, add language, split or combine lines. You don't need to join it
First thing - German Ganzschlag is a cloth stitch and twist, I feel
twisted stitch doesn't describe it enough in English.
Our old bugbear
of the difference between cloth, linen, etc. Is it ok for me
to change this?
Kind regards,
Noelene in Cooma
Again the answer is on
www.callane.com - dirts works
Remind me of old Dutch habits. Created on Saturday evenings to prepare for
Sunday. Never seen it life though.
Jo
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The website is not of the the lacemaker, but of someone who photographed the
lace. Type a few letters of Montse in the search field of the buddymap and
you can contact the photographer.
Jo Falkink
developper of the map page owned by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://lace.lacefairy.com/Map
Hello Pat
My apologies for writing to you directly, but I could not
figure out the email address of the lace-digest group.
There is no lace-digest group. If you recieved the original message you
could have just replied to all to get to lace@arachne.com If the message
got to you through a
Hello Spiders
This weekend I managed to get the map working on some mechanicaly translated
versions. You can select a language in the right upper corner of the page
and fetch the url from your browser for your friends. The update allready
works for google translations, it might take weeks or
Hello Jo,
Please would you take me off the Buddy Map, many thanks,
I don't want to interfere with moderator tasks/opinions of Lori. Please see
the instructions on the map page.
Jo
*Not* the Lacefary, just the developper of the map page
http://lace.lacefairy.com/Map
When I put myself on the map, I wasn't aware that it was linked to the
Google maps. If I had been, I wouldn't have put myself on it.
The personal data is in fact less visible by Google than on ordinary
pages. To explain I need to become quite technical.
The list with personal information is
Sorry folks, by solving the IE-mailto bug, I destroyed adding new entries.
It should be solved again. I hope I didn't overlook something else again.
Jo
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That part wasn't broke (the add requests are processed automatically, that
got broke and repaired), and don't confuse me with the Lacefairy who gets
the delete request and honours them maually. I'm the developper of the
current map, Lori is the owner and moderator.
Jo
After reading your mail
Hello spiders
I installed a quick-and-dirty solution for the MS-IE mailto problem. The
dirty aspect you'll notice by the needles empty page that comes along with
popping up a new e-mail. But at least it works now.
Thank you all for your patiente.
Jo
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You can't edit, but re-enter and follow the instructions, that is: drag the
green marker to the correct position. Then click the 'report abuse or
mistake' in the old bubble and convince the moderator to delete the old
entry (as I mailed on Arachne before, at least I intended to).
I suppose the
Please do read everything below the map. I wrote it for that purpose, but if
its clear as mud please explain what needs more explanation. After all
English is not my native tongue.
Fill in the form between the map and the horizontal line, hit the go to
step 2 button and continue to read all
Sorry for not counting to ten and reacting a bit impatient. It has been a
weird day and still is. All your questions slowly teach me what I should
have put on the map page and didn't. There is allways a struggle between
telling too little, or telling too much. Shortly after my impatient reaction
I
I've been more amused how the buddymap used to combine people living close
together and making a total mess of Holland. Some travelled from place to
place, each time new members joined and people from the same city landed in
different corners of the country.
But the original lattitudes/longitudes
Bug found: I'm sorry folks, it appears with Microsoft Internet Explorer it
is not possible to send emails. With Firefox you can. Please report other
browsers that can't too. I don't know when I get that fixed.
Jo
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Hello spiders
As some might allready have noticed, the buddymap has changed. You can find
it on http://lace.lacefairy.com/Map
Irritated by unattended bugs in the BuddMap I thought I could do better. I
underestimated the challenge, learnt some new IT techniques on the flight
and my hard disc
this looks like more details with prices
http://www.arpuu.fi/web-content/verkkokauppa.html
this looks like an address
http://www.arpuu.fi/web-content/yhteys.html
Jo from the Netherlands
The web site shows the pillows but I am unable to read it and can not work
out the address. They are in
But with replyig threads are nicely grouped in the archive
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/
Your own mail client might also have an option to group threads.
Jo Falkink
paste into a new message and have to
type in the subject yourself.
Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
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Dear Spiders
I remember a note by L.A. Viddeleer in her book about lassen (joining
lace) that circular laces should stay on the pillow/pricking until the
joining took actually place. If the lace had been lying around for a
while, it would not lie flat anymore and would be impossible to join and
The comma (,) should be a dot. If that doesn't work somehow you ca try the
working diagram link in the menu on the left. Same program, just another
way of launching.
Jo
I was wondering about the bobbinwork viewer. It goes to a page can't
be found. I do have Java.
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I did a few small (6 pairs) torchon projects with wire and discovered that
3 plies of .1mm works about the same as 1 ply of .2mm. The 3-plies however
looked much better for the cloth stitch areas. The 3-plies also behave
more like normal threads.
I don't use hooks on the bobbins. Thicker wire
Hello Spiders
On http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/striklas-EN.html
I show how I interpreted two techniques of the beginning of the end. It
proofs you can do overlapped sewing of CTC.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/vl-afw-EN.html
shows the back sides of some Flanders projects linking to the
The spiral idea is already some years on my web-site
(www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/hang-EN.html) an invented by myself after
some other disgarded attempts. You also can wind some wire around a stick.
I don't know whether your teacher copied my idea, or we both invented the
same.
The page links to
Funny how my messages do not always reach the digest.
Yesterday I wrote two, with only one or two minutes interval. Both are in
the archive, but
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/msg10234.html didn't appear
in the digest. So here it is again:
In Dutch we also have name variants for
In Dutch we also have name variants for the same stitches. But it are
consistent and logical sets that are never mixed.
set 1: netslag (ct/tc) - dubbele netslag (ctct/tctc)
set 2: halve slag (ct/tc) - hele slag (ctct/tctc)
In both sets linenslag for ctc
halve = half
hele=whole
dubbele=double
KD for CT works not only in German but also in Dutch (German: Kreuzen
drehen; Dutch: kruisen draaien)
Tamara wrote:
While it all could be taken care of via a single colour and the
appropriate number of cross-hatches ...
That works for Milanese lace as it doesn't use half stitches. I wouldn't
now
I can't help but to react on some old messages, I stumbled on them in the
archive. No affiliate on any, I only bought Knipling once and get free
updates for exessive comments and sugestions on what could be done better
in a next version.
Ilske und Peter Thomsen Mon, 01 Sep 2003
But if you, like
In stead of pointing to others why don't they appreciate our work? we
could also look at our self and wonder what we are doing wrong.
On some occasion I heard a peace of lace was identified as an application
of orange-net. If it had been my own work, I would question myself: why
doing so difficult
Hello Brenda and all color loving spiders
I just found site with many links to many color and conversion charts!
http://users.rcn.com/kdyer.dnai/conversion.html
Jo Falkink
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Many years ago I demonstrated lace at a Craft Fair in my hometown
Betty Ann in Roanoke Virginia
Me too. During the rain people took shelter under my roof with their back
turned against me and what I was showing. But more showed interest, some
sighed they would never ever have the patience, but
Hello Spiders
This weekend I started a Torchon sampler with the boring task of pricking
more than 4000 pinholes.
I vaguely remember a remark on a Spanish site (must be between
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/linkovz-EN.html but I don't remember
which one) about a device making prickings.
On our side ofe the pond, you have the possibiliy to let some
professional sew your lace.
Yes, we know, and envy you with all our hearts :) Though I've heard of
some Americans who did send - at a great expense - their lace off to
Belgium to be joined and mounted, and received back a mess
... As I say, if you can't speak it, don't write it!!
... Why bother, unless you get it right?
Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, still enjoying the rain.
I knew a French speaking Swiss, living in Zurich who never really mastered
German because of such an attitude. He confessed he even
Sorry wrong subject. Couldn't unpress any more.
Jo Falkink
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Martine doesn't use a specific traditional style of any kind. You'll have
to find youre own way and use your fantasy. I googled up some work made
after designs by Martine Bruggeman. May be that gives an idea.
http://www.geocities.com/ieperse_huiskant/sneeuwwitje.html
Tamara,
http://www.cipka.sk is already in my collection, well, at least a
sub-page. Linky may not be difficult to understand and anicka is an asset,
but wether the easter-eggs, uluv, stonline, the museum and stenly have
something hidden somewhere about bobbinlace?
Jo Falkink
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Hello Spiders
Im busy with the Palm tree from Milanese Lace: an Introduction. I did
the first one-and a half leaf, did other things for a few month, then
finished the second half of the second leaf. But...
I forgot I did the first leaf with top sewing and did the second with edge
sewings. I don't
I've found an archive of whatever on the web. Also containing copies of
the CD 2000 galery:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://freespace.virgin.net/deborah.robinson/cd2000.htm
May be you need to glue together the link, or go to
http://www.archive.org
and fill in
Hello Deborah
I'm afraid the link to the lace guild on
http://freespace.virgin.net/deborah.robinson/cd2000.htm
is not correct any more. Same for the email address on the homepage of
that site.
Somewhere there used to be a gallery of all the CD's. I can't find it any
more. Is it removed or
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