[lace] Lace: Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-22 Thread Karen Thompson
Karen: I have heard that color-coded working diagrams were developed in Belgium in the 1930s > Marianne Stang: may I make a little correction? The color code was invented in Bruges in 1911/12. > The lace school had more than 70 students, so it became necessary to solve this problem. That's why

Re: [lace] Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread Sue Babbs
Oh, yes, I’d forgotten to say that Joepie. We were given the pricking to replicate and use – either by drawing it out on graph paper and trueing it up or by taking a rubbing of it or pricking through it. Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com

[lace] Re: Lace: Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread Karen Thompson
Elena, and other friends, I have heard that color-coded working diagrams were developed in Belgium in the 1930s. Before that a numbering system was used by some authors, with lengthy explanations for each number corresponding to the hole in the pricking. Frieda Lipperheide, 1898, Das

RE: [lace] Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread J-D Hammett
Hi fellow Arachnids, Much the same for me as for Sue. We also had to draw out, prick and mark out our prickings before we were to wind the bobbins. However, it does take longer and I find that especially younger lacemakers have neither the time nor the inclination to learn/work this way. I must

Re: [lace] Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Elena, as far as I know it’s somewhere in 20th century that diagrams started perhaps at the time like color code. In some regions in former time the lacemaker had little pieces of the original lace they had to work. When you see old prickings thick paper or sometimes leather it’s not easy to

Re: [lace] Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread Sue Babbs
The teacher was very flexible and taught many different laces in one group. She had binders of samples of all sorts of laces which she had made let us look through till we saw a design that appealed and then we were off. We were started on Torchon (and I love the variety of stitches available in

Re: [lace] Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
Thanks for your answer Sue! I'm wondering what kind of lace you were learning predominantly? I could see this being easier perhaps for certain laces than others? Personally I learned while traveling so I studied bobbin lace with multiple teachers across Europe, which allowed me to cobble together

Re: [lace] Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread Sue Babbs
When I learned in England (1988 onwards), you were given the pricking, the training to interpret the pricking, and if you were lucky sight of the finished lace. The main advantage of this is that you are not dependent on diagrams (and not constantly looking from lace to diagram) and you learn

[lace] Making lace before diagrams

2018-05-21 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
Liz R brings up the point about how historically, lacemakers did not have the benefit of detailed diagrams and would have had to keep the designs in their head, even for complex lace like Binche. Devon and I were just talking about this the other day at the Yale lace event and it was boggling our