David's lace is machine-made but I don't think it's Barmen. From looking at Pat
Earnshaw's books about Lace Machines and Machine Laces I think it is Leavers
Independent. The following is what I've already sent to David (minus the scan):
"The rather prominent ridges on the 'cloth stitch' areas ne
Oh, Dear Antje !
You flatter me! I probably was presumptuous to respond to Lorelei's opinion!
I am a lacemaker, and I have a keen eye for detail... However, I am not even
close to being as proficient as Lorelei at identifying.
Still, i do recognize the "issue" with cloth stitch in machine
I did not want to disappoint David in the first moment, so kept quiet. But
now that Lorelei and Clay have given their opinion, I agree that this piece
of lace is machine made. As Lorelei said, the cloth stitch area and the
tallies reveal that it is not hand made. Nevertheless, it is a beautiful
and
I agree that the cloth stitch in the Barmen is the give-away, and sadly, I see
the same thing in this old handkerchief lace. And, the style is very
consistent of the styles in this catalog.
Thanks, Lorelei, for providing that reference.
Clay
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:28 PM, "L
David
Thank you for the scan of the Beds lace. I'm afraid I still think it is
machine made. http://barmenlace.com/downloads/rehage-catalogue.pdfThis
is a 1 mb catalogue from a Barmen machine lace manufacturer that I found on
line. I tried to isolate just one page, but couldn't. However
Those teachers were just being narrow-minded. I've heard that Beds was
started as a modification of Maltese lace, and that's drape-y, so I'll bet
your Beds was more like the original Beds than anything those teachers ever
made! Good for you for framing them and enjoying them.
Nancy
Connecticut,
Dear Lorelei,
I'm sorry to say this, but the clothwork parts in David's piece look a little
suspicious. The passives make vertical ridges. That happens in machine made
laces, not handmade cloth stitch. And the picots on the edge are rather
peculiar, too. Far too long. But I'm not certain.
Liz Baker said:
> I went to a demonstration and the lady giving the talk said
> "you can't learn lacemaking from a book, you need a teacher"
Well! That's just silly! (as my Mum used to say a lot).
When I was 11 (about 1953), I found a book on tatting, Mum let me buy
it and all the thread, shuttl
us peace in our day.'
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I also started out with a person who enjoyed calling herself a teacher, but who
was actually a terrible teacher.
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I went to a demonstration and the lady giving the talk said "you can't learn
lacemaking from a book, you need a teacher"
I had 6 lessons and made two things. A strip of white cloth stitch 3mm wide
and 30cm long and a strip of half stitch the same length. It was a though she
didn't want us to
Hi All,
When I started making lace I already had a pretty good idea of the
direction I wanted to take, namely Beds and Maltese. I took a week long
course and one of the first things we did was a Russian flower that was big
enough to take us at least 2 days to finish - we certainly knew how to
twi
I heard today that the IOLI Bulletin was mailed a couple of weeks late.
As far as teaching..I went to a demonstration and the woman doing bobbin
lace told me you can't learn on your own. I have been slowly working
through some of the books and I think I am doing pretty good. I run into
s
Our lace group is small (about 20 members) but we currently have a couple of
really kind and generous members who are willing to baby sit those of us with
less confidence and knowledge. They lead without pushing and not only "tell"
us how to do it, but also "show" us how to determine where to go o
Dennis Hornsby once said to me that if I had been born in Buckinghamshire and
learnt lace during its heyday, I would have learnt bucks point and nothing
else. So why did i think I had to learn in an order?
I can see a progression from nice lace to another in the same way we can see
how one lac
I also started out with a person who enjoyed calling herself a teacher, but who
was actually a terrible teacher. She hated that I wanted to move on beyond her
boring exercises into "real" lace. So I just armed myself with recommended (by
Arachne) books and worked on my own with occasional trip
Many of our older more set in their way teachers, say you have to learn
things in a set order. It is often the way they learnt or were taught.
Has anyone thought that this may be why young people are not taking up
lace? Our young people want to fly before they learn to walk but often
they do fly
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Subject: Re: [lace] Old beds
...As a teacher it is your duty to guide and encourage every student to make
the
best of their abilities and ensure that they enjoy and continue in their
chosen
craft. To tell
Liz, you said it best. I was fortunate and had two of the best instructors
and the bestest mentor when i started out. my mentor taught herself
Milanese for me to learn from her. what better foundation could anyone
get? i will never forget either person and have remained in contact even
after mo
Funny how a thoughtless word can hurt and influence us so much when we are
starting out. I saw a pattern in a book and went to my lace teacher with it.
I said that it would be perfect as a present for my mother as a piece for her
dolls house. It was pattern 106b from Pamela Nottingham's bucki
Hi Jean:
Thanks for this. Interesting to finally have some hard data in the lacemaking
world!
I remember as a very new lacemaker, being haughtily told that a piece of
Honiton I had made was actually something else (Whithof? Brussels?) because of
the way I had done a join. I had taken the patt
Jane Partridge wrote:
> Check the way the pairs go in and out of the trails to do the plaits and
> tallies - Beds
> trails carry passive pairs that go in and out of the trail, keeping the
> trail workers to work back and forth, but Cluny swaps the trail workers
> into the plaits.
It's not as
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