RE: [lace] 13th cent needlelace from China?

2004-11-19 Thread Bridget Marrow
Thank you, Devon, for the Met Museum link. Its a wonderful piece and the photography is awesome. http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=20viewmode=0item=1987.277 A few years ago I saw a similar peice of Chinese needlelace at an antique dealer's in London. It was dated early

RE: [lace] 13th cent needlelace from China?

2004-11-18 Thread David Collyer
Dear Friends, My first thought was When did Marco Polo go to China? Sure enough, his dates are 1254-1324. Trade is always a two way street. While I don't necessarily think that it was Marco Polo or his father or their expedition that was the most likely contact point, I do think that traders

Re: [lace] 13th cent needlelace from China?

2004-11-17 Thread Dmt11home
In a message dated 11/16/2004 2:48:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do think that traders and travellers could have introduced some European needle work in that period. I was thinking about Marco Polo, et al, too. But it really hadn't occurred to me that the

[lace] 13th cent needlelace from China?

2004-11-16 Thread Dmt11home
Since the list is quiet, perhaps I could introduce a subject that has me intriqued. The other day I saw a textile at the MMA which looks just like needlelace, being made of detached buttonhole stitch, but dates from the Yuan dynasty(1279-1368). I know that looping stiches have been made in

[lace] 13th cent needlelace from China?

2004-11-16 Thread Margot Walker
From the picture, it looks like embroidery to me - I can't see any detached buttonhole stitch.. I guess you have to see it in person. It is a beautiful piece though. On Tuesday, November 16, 2004, at 10:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other day I saw a textile at the MMA which looks just

RE: [lace] 13th cent needlelace from China?

2004-11-16 Thread Patricia Dowden
Dear Devon, My first thought was When did Marco Polo go to China? Sure enough, his dates are 1254-1324. Trade is always a two way street. While I don't necessarily think that it was Marco Polo or his father or their expedition that was the most likely contact point, I do think that traders

Re: [lace] 13th cent needlelace from China?

2004-11-16 Thread Sue Babbs
Yes, it does look like needle lace when you zoom in. I, too, thought it reminded me of Hollie Point (but in colour not just white). How wonderful. Sue Babbs As for the appearance of the work, I think it looks more like Hollie Point. resembles Italian Needlelace, especially in its diamond