[lace] Lace Tells, etc.

[Elizabeth Ligeti.]

Many of the Bucks Point prickings have only about an inch of dots for the
ground pins. It took a long time for me to find out that this was because
after the last row of ground pins the lacemakers would be able to work the
ground without any pins, so the work would be a lot faster.
I wonder if the tells were spoken quicker, or were there different tells for
working faster ground? !!
These are the sorts of mysteries that will never be answered, but are
fascinating to ponder on!

(OK, we are in the midst of a sudden heatwave, - so maybe I have had too much
sun!! :)  )

If only I could remember more of Grandma’s stories about those days!!  I
always enjoyed listening to them,. But never listened hard enough to remember
them!!
Thank goodness for people like Thomas Wright!!

Regards from Liz. In Melbourne, Oz.

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Re: [lace] Lace tells & History

[Diana Smith]

A little more history behind the boy throwing his pillow down the well at 
Elstow. This was supposedly Ernie Cooper. 
The Coopers were quite a large family many of them lace makers. I have a copy 
of a photograph of a dozen members of Cooper family lined up sitting at their 
lace pillows. Centre front is a boy at his lace pillow, not Ernie but Vic 
Cooper who judging by the smile on his face seems to be enjoying his lace work. 

Diana in Northamptonshire

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Date : 05/11/2017 - 01:12 (GMTST)
To : lace@arachne.com
Subject : [lace] Lace tells  History


There is a delightful story of a Lace School in Elstow (I think) where a boy
got so mad at his lace, that he grabbed his pillow ran outside, and dropped
the pillow etc down the well!!

Regards from Liz. In still wintery Melbourne, Oz.

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[lace] Lace tells & History

[Elizabeth Ligeti.]

Thank you all for your contributions which has made such interesting reading.
The History of Lace and these tells is fascinating..

The men learned lacemaking as children, and as agricultural workers they were
dependant on the weather, - so during times of bad weather, they were able to
earn a few pennies by making lace, until they were able to return to the
land.
There is a delightful story of a Lace School in Elstow (I think) where a boy
got so mad at his lace, that he grabbed his pillow ran outside, and dropped
the pillow etc down the well!!

My family came from around the Bedford area – not far from Olney! – and I
have recently found out that they were Straw Plaiters, too. This, I am told ,
was common amongst Lace makers, as the same Cross & Twist is used to plait the
straw, and was very Portable, so they could plait some straw while walking to
market, and then sell it to the Luton Hat makers – Luton being also not far
away, and the centre for straw hats, boaters, etc.

This is a whole different story, though!  But interesting how one leads to
the other!!

Regards from Liz. In still wintery Melbourne, Oz.

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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[Maureen]

Thank you everyone.

Maureen
E Yorks UK

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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[Liz Roberts]

To get it to work, I highlighted the highlighted area, plus the next line and 
copied it to a new search box. I don't know why, but sometimes in emails, the 
last part of a link doesn't get saved (highlighted) as a link. I got it to work 
by doing that. 


Liz Roberts in Missouri where the weather is confusing. Today was like spring 
in the morning and summer in the afternoon. A couple of days ago it was cool 
and windy.



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From: beth <b...@historichousehunter.com>
To: J-D Hammett <jdhamm...@msn.com>
Cc: Maureen <maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk>; lace <lace@arachne.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 2, 2017 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace tells

So sorry my link didn't work, but the second one didn't either. Hope this one
will do the trick:
>
>
http://torch.ox.ac.uk/themes/tellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en
glish-lace-schools

Virginia "Beth" Harpell
Historic Property Specialist
www.HistoricHouseHunter.com

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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[Brenda Paternoster]

> In both of Beth’s messages the URL became split over two lines.  Maybe
reposting it from a different system will keep it intact.

http://torch.ox.ac.uk/themes/tellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en
glish-lace-schools



Brenda in Allhallows

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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[Veronika Irvine]

Correction: The following article is by David Hopkin and is in The Cowper and
Newton Journal.
2) Lacemakers and Old Songs, in Olney and Elsewhere
https://tinyurl.com/ybwtsz7a

(This article is available on ResearchGate which you can join for free.)

The journal is associated with the Cowper and Newton museum (in Olney, midway
between Northampton and Bedford) which also has a lace collection:
http://www.cowperandnewtonmuseum.org.uk/lace-making/
Veronika Irvine

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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[Veronika Irvine]

Thank you Beth for that very interesting link to the work by David Hopkin .

(Here it is again in short form: https://tinyurl.com/ycpxtoa3)

Looking into some of David's research, I came across some related work:

1) David Hopkin is also involved in another project on lace history:

By the poor, for the rich: Lace in Context

https://laceincontext.com/

2) Lacemakers and Old Songs, in Olney and Elsewhere, by Cowper and Newton

https://tinyurl.com/ybwtsz7a

(This article is available on ResearchGate which you can join for free.)

3) "Work the Old Lady out of the Ditch": Singing at Work by English
Lacemakers, by Gerald Porter

Journal of Folklore Research
Vol. 31, No. 1/3, Triple Issue: Ballad Redux (Jan. - Dec., 1994), pp. 35-55

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3814509

(This link requires a login.  If you attended any university or college (even
if you did not graduate), I recommend you ask your alma mater about free
access to online resources for alumni.  You probably are eligible to access
these resources.)

Kind regards,
Veronika Irvine

... in Waterloo, which is living up to its name today

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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[b...@historichousehunter.com]

So sorry my link didn't work, but the second one didn't either. Hope this one
will do the trick:
>
>
http://torch.ox.ac.uk/themes/tellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en
glish-lace-schools

Virginia "Beth" Harpell
Historic Property Specialist
www.HistoricHouseHunter.com
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> On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:42 AM, J-D Hammett <jdhamm...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Arachnids,
>
> As the link that Beth Harpell so kindly provided does not quite work, here
is
> the one I found;-
>
http://torch.ox.ac.uk/themes/tellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en
> glish-lace-schools
> Hope it helps
>
> Happy lace making,
>
> Joepie in cold but sunny Sussex, UK.
>
>
> From: b...@historichousehunter.com<mailto:b...@historichousehunter.com>
> Sent: 01 November 2017 14:06
> To: Maureen<mailto:maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk>
> Cc: lace@arachne.com<mailto:lace@arachne.com>
> Subject: Re: [lace] Lace tells
>
> Maureen,
>
> I thought this was a fascinating site.  Here's the link
>
https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftorch.ox.ac.
>
uk%2Fthemes%2Ftellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en=02%7C01%7
>
Cjdhammett%40msn.com%7C658151fa8e9d497c2dd408d52131c7ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
>
5%7C1%7C0%7C636451420039205224=MpkvZDtozLHL5mDDj8407Zdzq6Y5
> 2mOthropLj72Mp0%3D=0
> glish-lace-schools
>
> Beth Harpell in dreary New Jersey where it's only 36??
>
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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[Maureen]

Hi

Thank you Joepie.  It was on Facebook and I eventually found on there.  

Regards 
Maureen
E York UK


> 
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RE: [lace] Lace tells

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Arachnids,

As the link that Beth Harpell so kindly provided does not quite work, here is
the one I found;-
http://torch.ox.ac.uk/themes/tellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en
glish-lace-schools
Hope it helps

Happy lace making,

Joepie in cold but sunny Sussex, UK.


From: b...@historichousehunter.com<mailto:b...@historichousehunter.com>
Sent: 01 November 2017 14:06
To: Maureen<mailto:maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk>
Cc: lace@arachne.com<mailto:lace@arachne.com>
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace tells

Maureen,

I thought this was a fascinating site.  Here's the link
https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftorch.ox.ac.
uk%2Fthemes%2Ftellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en=02%7C01%7
Cjdhammett%40msn.com%7C658151fa8e9d497c2dd408d52131c7ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
5%7C1%7C0%7C636451420039205224=MpkvZDtozLHL5mDDj8407Zdzq6Y5
2mOthropLj72Mp0%3D=0
glish-lace-schools

Beth Harpell in dreary New Jersey where it's only 36??

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Re: [lace] Lace tells

[b...@historichousehunter.com]

Maureen,

I thought this was a fascinating site.  Here's the link
http://torch.ox.ac.uk/themes/tellings-reconstructing-repertoire-songs-used-en
glish-lace-schools

Beth Harpell in dreary New Jersey where it's only 36°


> On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Maureen  wrote:
>
> Dear All
>
> I recently saw an email about lace tells and songs and that someone in
Oxford was doing some research but I now can't find it, either in the emails
or in the archives.  Can anyone remember who commented about it? if so could
you let me know please?
>
> Regards
> Maureen
> In grey Yorkshire UK
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[lace] Lace tells

[Maureen]

Dear All

I recently saw an email about lace tells and songs and that someone in Oxford 
was doing some research but I now can't find it, either in the emails or in the 
archives.  Can anyone remember who commented about it? if so could you let me 
know please?

Regards 
Maureen
In grey Yorkshire UK

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[lace] Lace Tells

[The Browns]

If I remember correctly, Lace and Bobbins by T.L.Huetson (1973)   also 
gave a list of these among the long lists of his bobbins.  There's one 
for sale on eBay at the moment.

Sheila in  a dull and cold Sawbo'
www.lace-helpandhistory.info

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