This is another case of We don't know what they are but why let the truth get
in the way of a sale? Most of the world don't know what lace bobbins look
like, so we'll call them lace bobbins so a non-lacemaker will buy them, and
we'll get rid of them.
Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK
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Brandis
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:16 AM
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Subject: [lace] lace bobbins?
Are these actually lace bobbins? What would you use them for?
http://www.rubylane.com/item/370063-004620/9-Antique-Chinese-Hand-Carved
Jenny Brandis
Kununurra, Western Australia
je
Hi All
I agree, no way can they be lace bobbins as any of us know them...
however
In Elizabethan times in the UK bones were carved with holes slightly bigger
than this, but the item was around the same size the centre was stuffed
with sheeps wool and they were worn inside the clothing to
At first sight, I thought they could be flutes. But after seing that the
holes are different in each stick... I think my guess is incorrect.
Then I thought the sticks can be part of a mobile that emits relaxing
sounds, kind of this:
http://www.maykaesoterismo.com/images/moviles/PERFUMES%20005.JPG
Firstly, Happy New Year to everyone, Brian I see you have beaten us to
it (we still have 11.5 hours to go in the UK) as it was tomorrow when
you posted your reply - no 'mere mail', but super-fast by my reckoning
:-)
Anyway, my first thought was the toggles that are used in Japanese
clothing
At 03:16 PM 31/12/2013, Jenny Brandis wrote:
Are these actually lace bobbins? What would you use them for?
http://www.rubylane.com/item/370063-004620/9-Antique-Chinese-Hand-Carved
They look more like mini recorders, flutes or pan pipes to me
David in Ballarat, where it's now 2014!!
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But then, David, why are there different number of holes?
Antje
González, from Spain.
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Antje, I had the same thought... and also thought it might be far-fetched.
There don't appear to be any holes or grooves to secure the various pieces.
But if secured on a base, perhaps they were part of an Aeolian Harp? The holes
would make each pipe create a different sound.
Clay
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Jane
I'm wondering if, as each would make a different sound and there are
eight notes in an octave, these are actually from a wind chime?
Me too, but then I remembered that the Chinese use the Pentatonic
scale which requires only 5 holes :(
David in Ballarat, AUS
0103 hrs on Jan 1st 2014
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I go with everyone who thinks they are a musical instrument. The holes to me
signify some sort of flute.
Maybe 9 of the pipes of a pan pipe:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1233465/paixiao
Sue
http://www.rubylane.com/item/370063-004620/9-Antique-Chinese-Hand-Carved
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That's really interesting Sue. Where did you find out about it and what would
the items have been called?
Karen in Malta
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This was my first thought too and they would each have a different tone so
they would make a very musical windchime...
Cearbhael
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Then I thought the sticks can be part
Are these actually lace bobbins? What would you use them for?
http://www.rubylane.com/item/370063-004620/9-Antique-Chinese-Hand-Carved
Jenny Brandis
Kununurra, Western Australia
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Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au wrote:
Are these actually lace bobbins? What would you use them for?
Boy, those are strange! No way they're lacemaking bobbins, but I have no idea
what they could be for. I wonder what that red stuff is poking out of the
holes in the central one.
Le 15/12/10 13:25, Brian Lemin a écrit :
a genre of bobbins that are sort of thinnish
in my group , when we must use a lot of bobbins filled with thin
threads we tend to use thinner bobbins .. for example,middland bobbins
without the spangles ..
further more some Le puy carreaux could be
Whoops, I opened my mouth with a lot of generalities regarding fashion for
thinner bobbins. However it has been nice knowing what you practitioners
think and feel about them. From my rarefied atmosphere I tend to forget
that they are tools from time to time and that above all you use the
I am sure in my mind that their are both fashions and personal likes and
dislikes.
Actually I have written an essay (that is being vetted by a friend) about
just this thing.
Lace makers talk mostly about smoothness in handling their bobbins, they
also have favourite makers, there is quite a
Wendy, I have some bone bobbins - both new and antique, and I have not had any
break.
I have one with 1842 engraved on it - and it is as good as new - well, almost
- it has made many miles of lace I would think!!
If you fancy some bone bobbins - Go for it. With the usual care, they will
last
on carpeting or wooden floors, it
is cooler. This is also why I have my glass bobbins in my show case and not
on my pillow.
Miriam
in Arad, Israel
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:38:46 +
From: Wendy Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [lace] lace bobbins
Hi all
I was told at our last lace day
Hi all
When I first started lace making I made some bobbins from air drying clay. I
did use them a few times but as I hadn't painted them the clay did rub off on
the pillow and they did look a bit gimpy if you know what I mean, as I was a
beginner I didn't quite have the proportions right but
Dear all
Can I put in a word here about old bobbins - bone and wood. Very often old
bobbins have been neglected and stored incorrectly i.e. either in a damp
area or somewhere warm and dry (central heating). Bone seems not to be so
susceptible to temperature fluctuation (unless decorated) but
Hi all
I was told at our last lace day that bone bobbins are very brittle and if
dropped they would break is this true as after reading all of your comments I
would really like to get at least one pair.
Wendy St Dogmaels
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Hello Wendy
A lot of things break when dropped.
However, if you think of human bone, it is quite strong, yet wil break
under certain circumstances.
The same with bone bobbins. Don't drop them on a concrete floor as they
will break.
Apart from that they are pretty strong.
B.t.w. wood bobbins
To: Clay Blackwell
Cc: Lace
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace bobbins
I think the bone vs. wood (or wood vs. bone to be diplomatic ) informal
opinion poll is interesting and yes isn't it wonderful we can have a
choice.
Clay wrote:
I would love to be able to work with each of those very
Wendy Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was told at our last lace day that bone bobbins are very brittle and if
dropped they would break is this true as after reading all of your comments I
would really like to get at least one pair.-
I've got a lot of Midlands spangled bobbins, in
I indulge my liking for bone bobbins by buying them through
bobbin-a-month. Various bobbins makers have these clubs. I pick out and
order the 12 I want for the year from the supplier's catalogue, and then
receive them every two months to save postage, but I could have them every
month. I also
I think where bobbins are concerned, it definitely depends on what
you're doing with them!! I think there is nothing prettier than a
lovely pillow (Toustou roller, perhaps?), filled with spangled bobbins
of every description - plain, painted, spliced, bone, etc. I also
belonged to a bone
I think the bone vs. wood (or wood vs. bone to be diplomatic g) informal
opinion poll is interesting vbg and yes isn't it wonderful we can have a
choice.
Clay wrote:
I would love to be able to work with each of those very distinct styles
of apparatus, just for the experience.
I have a
Dear Daphne,
I'm still waiting for the question
David in Ballarat
Hello Fellow Lacemakers
My husband asked me to ask all of you this question.
Bone bobbins versus wood bobbins
While a lot of bobbins are turned in hard woods are not so easy to come by.
It takes a lot of time to
What are cat's tail bobbins?
Karen in Malta
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To: Clay Blackwell
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Subject: Re: [lace] Lace bobbins
I think the bone vs. wood (or wood vs. bone
Hello Fellow Lacemakers
My husband asked me to ask all of you this question.
Bone bobbins versus wood bobbins
While a lot of bobbins are turned in hard woods are not so easy to come by.
It takes a lot of time to grow the trees, where`as the bones are easier to
get, because most
Hello Daphne and everyone
There are some excellent Q and As at Kenn van Dieren's site:
http://www.bobbinmaker.com/faqbob.html
My quick answer is if bone was nicer to work with than wood, for the bobbin
maker, maybe we'd all be using more bone bobbins than wood bobbins. I prefer
wood though, any
This from a lace maker whose husband hand turns both bone and wood bobbins.
He uses hardwood, which is mainly recycled from old furniture, gate
posts, mantelpieces etc.,
or obtained locally when a tree has fallen in a storm or had to be
felled because it
was diseased, or obtained via
in Oregon
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Subject: [lace] lace Bobbins
Hello Fellow Lacemakers
My husband asked me to ask all of you this question.
Bone bobbins versus wood bobbins
While
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Hello Daphne and everyone
There are some excellent Q and As at Kenn van Dieren's site:
http://www.bobbinmaker.com/faqbob.html
My quick answer is if bone
And another thing to consider is that the trees absord carbon dioxide while
they are growing and the carbon remains trapped in our bobbins. Although there
is a fair bit of waste in the cutting into blanks and turning , I should
think that about a quarter to a third of the wood ends up as a
Hi Alice and all
To make one bone bobbin takes one cow leg, preferably a hind one as the
bone is thicker.
Normally the thigh bone is used.
That's why they are so expensive.
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK
www.sixpennybobbins.co.uk
Alice Howell wrote:
This question brought several thoughts
I have also heard Stephen Pearce talk. If I remember correctly, thanks to
the new regulations about slaughtering animals younger he can get a maximum of
4
bobbins from one leg - if he is lucky. He buys them from a slaughterhous by
something like the ton. He has to get the bone marrow out
Hello Daphne my friend, and all spiders, re bone versus hard wood - I
have been told by John Cooper (bobbin maker at your lace day Daphne)
that the only bones that you can use are the leg bones so that might
make it a little bit harder to get hold of and they take a great deal of
preparation prior
I love the smooth silky feel of bone bobbins, - but can't afford them very
often, unfortunately.
Wood - well, I go for the feel of them, and go for the smooth silky feel, if I
have a choice.
The Acrylic bobbins have the nice feel that I like, too.
Isn't it a good thing we all like something
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but I like to
see him do that with 60 pairs, or, indeed what does he think Honiton and
Continental lacemakers do?
LOL ... does he only know we use different bobbins ? ... LOL experts !!
dominique from France
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I've just been eating tea while watching a rerun of the Flog It! programme
in which the so-called expert Jethro Marle identified bone bobbins as ivory,
and when this was pointed out to him through emails to the BBC, responded
with I think I know ivory when I see it.
I was obviously so aghast
Jean,
It has been a rather serious, busy morning.
I stopped to read your email about the spangles/tracking threads and the
chuckle relieved my tensions...in fact I Ha-Haed out loud.
Thanks, I needed that.
Susie Johnson
Morris, Illinois
Where the sun has finally come out to bless the day!
Jean
Don't worry Jean, one of my students spotted that at the first showing and
wrote an indignant post, covering both the ivory/bone issue and this very false
idea that a profeesional lacemaker would have either the need or the time to
be looking at the spangles.
She got a slightly less
The children's version of Antiques Roadshow had some lovely lace bobbins on
on Wednesday this week. Unfortunately, the bone ones were described as
being made of ivory by the expert on the show! I did email and point this
out, including a couple of references, and have had a reply that they will
This is especially for British lacemakers. Have you bought next week's
copy? On page 34, there is a piece on lace bobbins. His valuations are
a little low, especially the hanging bobbin.But look at his reason for
no spangles on Honiton bobbins. As with 'Flog it' they should check
their
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Subject: [lace] lace bobbins in Radio Times
This is especially for British lacemakers. Have you bought next week's
copy? On page 34, there is a piece on lace bobbins. His valuations are
a little low, especially the hanging bobbin.But look at his reason for
no spangles on Honiton bobbins
On 11/22/05, Jenny Barron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
apparently the honiton bobbins needed to pass through the fabric!
LOL,
if a single thread can be defined as 'fabric' (?) they're close (but
no prizewinner)
g
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bye for now
Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn.
Well, that sounds like they may have checked their facts, but
misunderstood the answer.
Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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On 11/22/05, Jenny Barron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
apparently the honiton bobbins
Sheila wrote:
His valuations are
a little low, especially the hanging bobbin.But look at his reason for
no spangles on Honiton bobbins.
I didn't think it was a bad article overall.
Whether the valuation was low or not would depend on whether the valuation
was for auction (low), retail (a bit
Anyone in the UK watch Flog-it! on BBC2 just now? 72 old lace bobbins (but
not necessarily antique) - bone ones described by the expert as ivory.
Valued by him as GBP70 - 100. Only reached 40 and didn't sell because the
reserve was 70. The majority were fairly simple turned wood, a few with
Hi Sharon,
I recently had a similar problem. I offered to try to sell
several old bobbins for the daughter of a lacemaker who
had passed away.
I first scanned them, and put pictures on my little website.
and told Arachne. I got lots of helpful ansers. Brian Lemin
here in Australia, who is
My question now is about bobbins. I know many of you use the spangled
ones but I was wondering if anyone uses the square European ones I have
seen on some websites. They look like the would resist the rolling
problem that has been mentioned and I wonder if they would make a good
starter bobbin
Even though I no longer do the bobbin lace, I have enjoyed keeping on buying
some of the different continentals. I always preferred them to the Midlands.
I know a lot of people moan about them untwisting the threads, but the best
way to stop that is to work the bobbins as you come to them and
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