RE: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

[Devon Thein]

I am very impressed with the link that Janice has provided.
https://www.advanced-embroidery-designs.com/cgi-bin/cart/store.cgi?keyword=bo
bbin+lace=search
 Someone has gone to tremendous trouble to produce bobbin lace like designs
for machine embroidery. Usually, when artists produce a lace design they take
a lot of liberties with it to “improve it”. But these designs show a level
of fealty that suggests intimate knowledge.
One thing that is intriguing is that historically, chemical lace, was
considered the answer to the mechanized lacemaker’s prayers for the purpose
of copying needle laces. The ability to provide relief as in gros point, and
the fact that the needle laces were somewhat non-linear made the chemical lace
method the preferred method for this purpose. But, here, it is bobbin lace
that is being emulated.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

[Adele Shaak]

I played with these water-soluble stabilizers back when they first came out - 
sewing with a regular sewing machine, not an embroidery machine. We did have a 
problem locally - in our humid climate once you opened the package the 
stabilizer tended to get sticky and start to dissolve all on its own. So you 
kept the package unopened while you planned your design and then once you 
opened the package you had to make your embroidery right away. I don’t know if 
they’ve improved the formula over the years, but I suppose if something 
dissolves in water, having it dissolve in ambient humidity is always going to 
be a problem.

The technique is fast, and you can change colours whenever/wherever you want, 
you don’t have to worry about the ends because they get caught up in the 
sewing. So it takes less technique and worry and your artistic side is easier 
to express than with bobbin lace where you have to worry where the bobbins will 
go so you have threads where and when you want them. 

Just my 2 cents.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada)


> On Jun 13, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:
> 
> < lace", but if it is do-it-yourself the Chemical part can't be at issue.
> Interesting.>>
> In fact, I think it is “chemical lace”. The further instructions say that
> you have to use something called Vilene Water Soluble Stabilizer. According to
> a google search Water soluble embroidery stabilizers (WSS) will dissolve
> completely when immersed in water leaving no backing at all. They are prefect
> when you need an embroidery stabilizer to disappear leaving nothing behind.
> They are most widely used in free standing embroidery applications such as
> free standing lace (FSL). We offer two types of water soluble stabilizer -
> Vilene and Badgemaster 
> In Chemical Lace they do the embroidery on a surface, like a fabric or paper,
> that can then be dissolved away. Originally I think that there was some kind
> of cotton thread/protein based surface contrast allowing the protein based
> surface to be dissolved without harming the cotton thread. Now, I think the
> surface is synthetic.
> So, it is a do-it-yourself chemical lace. I don’t think that this is
> particularly new. I seem to recall people in the EGA experimenting with it
> years ago. Admittedly, it is border line frightening that anyone with an
> embroidery machine can make something like the FSL Crochet Easter Egg set,
> which actually duplicates the look of bobbin lace, not crochet, and it is
> really hard to tell the difference without super close-ups as Lorelei says.
> https://www.advanced-embroidery-designs.com/html/24163.html
> The site that I linked to was one where they seem to make the lace on more of
> a Levers machine, which seemed like a new thing to me.
> Devon
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RE: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

[Lorelei Halley]

I did play with some water soluble stabilizer back in the 1980s. It was fairly
primitive, and my sewing machine wasn’t really an embroidery machine. I
suppose the stabilizer may have improved, and a machine specifically for
embroidery would also make a difference.  Interesting, in any case. I still
think “why on earth bother to learn all that stuff about managing a machine
when you can just learn to manage the bobbins themselves”. Much as I enjoy
computers as tools, I can’t say that I’m in love with them. I love
bobbins, and I am in  love with making lace by hand. That is the complexity
that has me hooked.

Lorelei



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Subject: RE: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace



<>

In fact, I think it is “chemical lace”. The further instructions say that
you have to use something called Vilene Water Soluble Stabilizer. According to
a google search Water soluble embroidery stabilizers (WSS) will

Devon

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Re: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

[cec]

I agree.  It is chemical lace and has been around for a while.  I just
hadn't see much that really looked like bobbin lace in some time.
Thought it was interesting.

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RE: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

[Devon Thein]

<>
In fact, I think it is “chemical lace”. The further instructions say that
you have to use something called Vilene Water Soluble Stabilizer. According to
a google search Water soluble embroidery stabilizers (WSS) will dissolve
completely when immersed in water leaving no backing at all. They are prefect
when you need an embroidery stabilizer to disappear leaving nothing behind.
They are most widely used in free standing embroidery applications such as
free standing lace (FSL). We offer two types of water soluble stabilizer -
Vilene and Badgemaster 
In Chemical Lace they do the embroidery on a surface, like a fabric or paper,
that can then be dissolved away. Originally I think that there was some kind
of cotton thread/protein based surface contrast allowing the protein based
surface to be dissolved without harming the cotton thread. Now, I think the
surface is synthetic.
So, it is a do-it-yourself chemical lace. I don’t think that this is
particularly new. I seem to recall people in the EGA experimenting with it
years ago. Admittedly, it is border line frightening that anyone with an
embroidery machine can make something like the FSL Crochet Easter Egg set,
which actually duplicates the look of bobbin lace, not crochet, and it is
really hard to tell the difference without super close-ups as Lorelei says.
https://www.advanced-embroidery-designs.com/html/24163.html
The site that I linked to was one where they seem to make the lace on more of
a Levers machine, which seemed like a new thing to me.
Devon

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RE: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

[Lorelei Halley]

Cindy
Those designs are remarkably like the hand made version. This is why we need 
really close up photos to accurately identify a piece of lace. We need photos 
where each individual thread is visible. The overall design isn't enough. If 
this is machine embroidery, I can only think "chemical lace", but if it is 
do-it-yourself the Chemical part can't be at issue. Interesting.
Lorelei
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Subject: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

One of my many hobbies is machine embroidery and I found a company making 
designs that look very much like bobbin lace.  Often the digitizers call a 
floral design Lace when it isn't, but many of the patterns at 
https://www.advanced-embroidery-designs.com/ are the closest I've seen.  

Cindy in VA

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