Re: LI Re: law-issues-digest V1 #695
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: That same question was asked today on MSNBC. The answer was this whole thing has to play out now, because it has become a political issue, and that is the way politics are. Added to that was that the truth will not come out until it is in a court of law and both sides have a chance to litigate it and find out the truth. Court of law being congress probably. Sounded like a political answer to me. :) Sue Then I can ask Mac, what if the allegations turn out to be true? Wouldn't it be best for all concerned to stop the mud slinging on both sides and lets just deal with the facts? That's my stand on this whole ordeal. Deal with the facts stop the derogatory tales on both side. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI WILLEYS CREDIBILITY QUESTIONED
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WILLEYS CREDIBILITY QUESTIONED Meanwhile, Willey found herself under even more scrutiny over the weekend. Time Magazine is reporting in this weeks edition that Willey invented a tale of pregnancy to get back at a boyfriend and enlisted former confidant Julie Steele to lie on her behalf. And a new figure emerged Saturday to corroborate one heavily disputed aspect of her charges agains the president. Scandal Erupts Time is reporting that Willey was in the midst of a brief relationship with a British-born soccer coach in the summer of 1995. In an interview with the FBI, Steele has claimed that Willey told her lover, Shaun Docking, she was pregnant with his twins, even though Willey had told Steele she was not pregnant. But one disputed aspect of Willeys story that she confided details of the 1993 alleged encounter with Clinton to her friend, Julie Hiatt Steele, right after it happened was corroborated Saturday by Richmond, Va., television producer Bill Poveromo. In an affidavit that Clintons lawyers have used to undercut Willeys credibility, Steele swore that Willey never mentioned the incident when it happened and later asked Steele to lie and say that she was told in 1993 about Clintons alleged unwanted pass. Clinton accuser Kathleen Willey Poveromo, who works for WWBT-TV, told The Associated Press that Steele, his friend of several years, confided in him over dinner at her home last April that the president had groped Kathy (Willey) and that Julie did know about it right after it happened. Steele later changed her story in the affidavit and in press reports because she freaked and panicked, Poveromo said. Nancy Luque, Steeles Washington attorney, said: She absolutely stands by her affidavit. She did not tell Poveromo that the Clinton-Willey encounter occurred because she didnt ever believe that it had. Willey, herself, defended letters she sent to President Clinton after the alleged encounter and accused the White House of trying to ruin her reputation by releasing them. In an interview in the issue of Newsweek on newsstands Monday, Willey said by distributing the letters, which were friendly in tone despite the encounter she alleged, the White House was trying to make me look like a wacko. Willey also said there was nothing improper about the letters, which she portrayed as a way of trying to secure a job. I never hid those letters. They were my way of saying, Hello, Im still out here. I need a job, she said. I had made a decision that I was going to put that incident behind me. I made that choice, and Im allowed to make that choice. New polls Saturday indicated, however, that many people question whether she was telling the truth. A CNN/Time poll, which was conducted three days after Willeys nationally televised charges last Sunday, indicated that half of Americans (52 percent) believe Clinton has engaged in a pattern of sexual misconduct. Respondents were split over whether to believe Willey and nearly half (48 percent) said she went public with her story for monetary gain. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI A Puzzle
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bob: I came out with the monkey. I dropped that darn lion first off then the sheep, horse and finally the cow. It made sense when I did it. LOL Sue hi sue i kept my passion all the way.first i dropped my friendship,then my children,then my pride, then my basic needs. bob,wa -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Mania
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: I thought it was illegal to own poisonous snakes. My brother in law got into real trouble because he was collecting rattle snakes. When the city of San Diego found out about it, they went out and collected all the snakes and fined him big time. Of course the guy fried his brains on drugs long before this happened so I guess something like this wasn't unusual for him. The only reason anyone found out about it was because one of them got lose in the house and his mom called the cops to come find it. LOL Whole thing was on the news and everything. Poor Ron was sitting here watching the news when all of a sudden there was his mom and brother on it. And the cops saying that they were taking in the rattle snake collection. It was a trip. LOL Then again they are all nuts. BG Not Ron, just the others. :) Sue Well Mania likes to play games, she loves to climb trees, and of course it's hard to get her down once she is in one since she wraps it, so we'll let her just get to the tree then drag her away LOL, it's a little game we all play :) Yea I'm a softy for animals :) I hate seeing them hurt or mistreated. But I am limited I would never own a "hot" snake (poisonous) I think those people are crazy! LOL Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Disparity in Infant Mortality Rates
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Now please don't quote me on this, but i think that they do routine lead testing now on babies during their check ups. I do know that some of the symptoms of lead poisoning are colic, and anemia along with some others. But these two symptoms are the most noticeable. As for the autopsy, I would think that they would do this in the routine blood work that they do. But I don't know. Sue HI Sue, Good point. I wonder if they routinely test for lead poisoning during the autopsy's of infants who die. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jim McDougal
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: The guy who wrote this thing is way out there on another planet or something. He has come up with this idea that there is a CIA type of group who goes around killing anyone who hurts the president. They are there strictly to protect him no matter what. But then in the middle of the book he changes it around to say that they could also be there to help out Starr by killing these people and thus adding suspicion on to the President. It sounded like something that I would overlook on the book shelf that is for sure. BG You are right about one thing though, money can be made off of anything. I just wonder how many people actually believe this crap. Sue HI Sue, Wow...a book. So this guy can not only get the political benefits of spreading crap like this, he can also get money from others who like to read about it and use it to support THEIR crazy ideas. What a country!! Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Sexual predators and the FBI
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: This morning on the Today show they were talking about a program that they have now where they can actually trace back a posting to the person doing the posting. They have set up a site where when a person finds some of this porn going on they can log on to the site immediately without signing off, and the FBI takes over and traces the posts. Sue Hi all we were recently discussing porn on the net, this message came out from the FBI and it outlines their efforts to tackle sexual predators on the net. Child sexual predators are far more pervasive on the Internet than most parents suspect and law enforcement officials need to become more sophisticated to combat them, FBI officials said Tuesday. Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Louis Freeh told a Senate panel that no one really knew how widespread the problem is but that parents are too complacent about the dangers their children can encounter on their home computers. In one indication of the risks, FBI agent Linda Hooper said that when an agent pretending to be a teenage girl signed on to a ``chat room'' limited to 23 children, all 22 other ``youths'' turned out to be adults seeking improper contact with her. Freeh said the FBI has investigated at least 70 ''traveling'' cases in which an adult builds up trust with a young person through contacts on the Internet and convinces the minor to meet somewhere for illicit sexual purposes. Teenage girls are the most vulnerable. ``You used to be able to tell your kid, don't talk to strangers, don't take money from strangers,'' said Sen. Judd Gregg, chairman of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and the Judiciary. ``But now the stranger isn't outside the house. The stranger can be inside, on the Internet,'' added Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican. Congress last year gave the FBI $10 million to set up the ''Innocent Images'' program to combat child predators and child pornographers on the Internet. A program headquarters has been set up in Baltimore, and law enforcement agents are now trying to train more people in federal and local agencies. This week, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children opened the CyberTipline on the Internet, (www.missingkids.com/cybertip/) where people can report tips and leads about possible cyber-exploitation. The program is run with FBI cooperation. Center President Ernest Allen said the tip line got 150 responses in just the first day. ``Individuals involved in the distribution and exchange of on-line child pornography and the recruitment of children for illicit sexual purposes are among the most sophisticated computer users the FBI is encountering,'' Freeh said. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Mania was Re: LI Photo Gallery
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Well that is more like it. LOL Only half that size? Well if I am ever lucky enough to be able to go visit Kathy, I think that I will most definately rent a hotel room and invite her to come visit me. Half that size, hugh..BG Sue Hi Sue The snake with the three people cuddling (?) it is not one of Kathy's. It is a full-grown one. Kathy's is *only* about 1/2 that size. Big enough for me to grant her lots of room though, even if she is a sweetie. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI God Will Be on TV
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: Bet they had the wrong station. Or else he was preempted. :) I sure hope these people don't try a Heaven's Gate type of thing. Sue God was a no show! LOL -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Ohio Adult Parole Authority v. Woodward
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L.: I was just reading this one. :) I found something else that I thought was funny"JUSTICE BREYER, concluded that, because a prisoner under a death sentence has a continuing interest in his life, the question raised is what process is constitutionally necessary to protect that interest. " I know that it isn't suppose to be funny, but it struck me that way. Sue In this recent Supreme Court case it was held that voluntary appearance at clemency meeting did not violate an inmates constitutional rights. Posted below is a passage from an abstract of the case. Posted here for its stark imagery and "flippancy" in an all too serious context of murder conviction and death sentence (how does this strike you?): "Judicial intervention might, for example, be warranted in the face of a scheme whereby a state official flipped a coin to determine whether to grant clemency ..." :) LDMF. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jokes for Tuesday/not
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L.: Here it is. :) How Many Liars? - One. Since the finned Martian did indicate that he was a truth-teller, then the Martian with feathered ears was obviously telling the truth and must be a truth teller. If the finned Martian was lying, then the horned Martian was a truth-teller. If the finned Martian was a truth-teller, then the horned Martian was a liar. So, no matter how you look at it, two of the three Martians were truth-tellers and one was a liar. Sue - I admit it, I am sneaking in here to ask: did you ever post the answer to the puzzle about 3 groups: liars, truthtellers, and some who waffled... not in any particular order here of course. :) LDMF -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: law-issues-digest V1 #727-Clinton
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Vi: I couldn't agree with you more. There are no angels here. It is everyone for themselves, IMO. The sad part about the whole thing is that it is the American people though that are going to lose. Sue Hi Sue, IMO It doesn't really matter about the truth. The Republican right wing is determined to bring down a democraric Presidency and the Democratic Party is determined to hold on to its political power at any cost,using any means. Neither side is admirable; in fact one might say each is downright despicable. And the Clintons lose all credibility and respectability from the electorate in the process. Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Wednesday Jokes
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New words for an old tune Sung to the tune of Rawhide... Java Song Loading, loading, loading, Damn this Java coding, Feeling of forboding, Reload! The Applet says it's running, And that big grey block is stunning, But the screen remains as blank as my mind Netscape crash, Boot 'em up! Net goes down, Dial back! Logging on, Still off-line! Reload! Try it now, Still not up! Netscape crashed, What, again? Boot it up, Log it in, Reload! Tighten, tweakin', smoothen, They say the codes improvin', So how come I'm still usin' "reload"? I'm tired of all this waitin', Just give me .gif animation, This code is only good for wasting time, The applet says it's running, And grey block is quite stunning, But the screen remains as blank as my mind, (Midi solo) beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,beep Netscape crash, Boot 'em up! Net goes down, Dial back! Logging on, Still off-line! Reload! Try it now, Still not up! Netscape crashed, What, again? Boot it up, Log it in, Reload! Reload! -- The Top 15 Things a 36 Year Old Woman Sees in a 14 Year Old Boy 16 Can't have a decent conversation about "Saved By the Bell" with anyone her own age. 15 Can get him really drunk on half a beer. 14 Shares her love of finding the perfect antique, then blowing it up with M-80s. 13 Can still pull in a paycheck when she's 75 and Social Security is down the tubes. 12 Saves money by ordering from the "Guppy's Menu" at participating Red Lobsters. 11 Goodbye, frumpy housewife. Hell, Teacher Spice!! 10 Chance to get a couple more proms under her belt. 9 Only drinks too much with the boys when they're running a lemonade stand. 8 He may someday be the President -- better get him before he gets her. 7 Too old to have cooties, too young to have an STD. 6 Not her first choice, mind you, but Mr. DiCaprio wasn't available. 5 They're the polar opposite of the Energizer Bunny, if you know what I mean. 4 Falls for that bit about her stretch marks being cool tattoos. 3 Never has to worry about him screwin' around with her Steve Miller Band 8-tracks. 2 Can grab his hair during lovemaking without a lecture on the price of Rogaine. and the Number 1 Thing a 36 Year Old Woman Sees in a 14 Year Old Boy... 1 His Erector Set. -- Proof that the gene pool is contaminated! In rural Carbon County, PA, a group of men were drinking beer and discharging firearms from the rear deck of a home owned Irving Michaels, age 27. The men were firing at a raccoon that was wandering by, but the beer apparently impaired their aim and, despite of the estimated 35 shots the group fired, the animal escaped into a 3 foot diameter drainage pipe some 100 feet away from Mr. Michaels deck. Determined to terminate the animal, Mr. Michaels retrieved a can of gasoline and poured some down the pipe, intending to smoke the animal out. After several unsuccessful attempts to ignite the fuel, Michaels emptied the entire 5 gallon fuel can down the pipe and tried to ignite it again, to no avail. Not one to admit defeat by wildlife, the determined Mr. Michaels proceeded to slide feet-first approximately 15 feet down the sloping pipe to toss the match. The subsequent rapidly expanding fireball propelled Mr. Michaels back the way he had come, though at a much higher rate of speed. He exited the angled pipe "like a Polaris missile leaves a submarine," according to witness Joseph McFadden, 31. Mr. Michaels was launched directly over his own home, right over the heads of his astonished friends, onto his front lawn. In all, he traveled over 200 feet through the air. "There was a Doppler Effect to his scream as he flew over us," McFadden reported, "Followed by a loud thud.". Amazingly, he suffered only minor injuries. "It was actually pretty cool," Michaels said, "Like when they shoot someone out of a cannon at the circus. I'd do it again if I was sure I wouldn't get hurt." "It seems I've found myself on the Voyager of the Damned." The Holodoc (Time and Again) -- Who Holds The Title A Morgan Favorite Some years ago, a New Orleans lawyer sought a direct Veterans Administration loan for a client. He was told that the loan would be approved if he could provide proof of clear title to the property offered as collateral. The title for the property in question was complicated and he spent a considerable amount of time reviewing all pertinent documents back to 1803. Satisfied with the depth and expanse of his examination, he subm
Re: LI Re: law-issues-digest V1 #745
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Vi: LMAO And vampires aren't weird. BG Well the one on "Forever Knight" can visit me anytime. :) Sue Hi Kathy, Wouldn't you just know that sooner or later we would have weirdos that would copy "vampires"? Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Vampire Killer
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a question, is this guy going to share a cell with another person? I certainly wouldn't want to be his cell mate. What if he decides to start chewing on the cell mate one night. Seriously are they going to keep him by himself or with another vampire person. Or maybe someone who thinks he is a warewolf. If not I suggest that his cell mate get a sun lamp. :) -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Organs Must Go to Sickest First
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Finally a law that really makes sense. :) Sue Organs Must Go to Sickest First WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans are dying because of an arbitrary system for allocating scarce organs, the government said Thursday. It ordered the transplant network to give organs to the sickest patients first, even if they live across the country. ``Make no bones about it, this is about living or dying,'' Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala said. ``People are dying ... simply because of where they happen to live.'' The long-expected rules represent the government's first set of detailed guidelines for the private contractor that runs the transplant network and has often clashed with HHS officials. Emphasizing that it is not making medical judgments, Shalala's agency is ordering the United Network for Organ Sharing to come up within five months with a new plan for allocating livers. The new system must give priority to the sickest patients rather than to those who live close to the donor. Network officials, who strongly oppose changes, responded that the HHS plan would save fewer lives, warning that smaller centers may close because organs would be diverted to large centers in other parts of the country. Less controversially, the rules direct the network to establish standard criteria for putting people on waiting lists and classifying medical statuses. They also order the network to release up-to-date information about waiting times, survival rates and other performance indicators for individual transplant programs, which the network always has refused to do. That should help patients make informed decisions about where to go for transplants, Health and Human Services said. The allocation system now in place offers donated organs first to hospitals in the local area, then regionally, then nationally. Patients are ranked by medical need within the local or regional area, but an organ is offered to a relatively healthy local patient before being sent to a sicker candidate across the country. The system has helped create widely varying waiting times around the country, with patients in some regions waiting five times as long for a transplant. The United Network for Organ Sharing argues that the geographic system saves more lives because healthier patients have better chances to survive transplant surgery. Yet Dr. William Pfaff, the network's president-elect and former head of transplant surgery at the University of Florida, conceded the system already favors the sickest patients within communities and regions. He also said that, given a choice between providing an organ to two patients in adjoining rooms, he would choose the sicker one. He complained that under the new system, all organs would go to the sickest patients, meaning patients won't have a realistic chance for transplant until they become very sick. ``Everybody deserves a chance,'' he said. The geographic system is supported by the many small centers that depend on a ready supply of locally donated organs, particularly livers. Because many more small centers are in operation than large ones, they have controlled the network's policies. Already, the network is planning lobbying campaigns in Congress to overturn the new plan. It has urged hospitals to warn their communities that the new system could shut down their program. Some have suggested fighting the rules in court, but Pfaff said he does not know if that will be considered. Sen. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a transplant surgeon opposed to the national system concept, said Thursday he will hold a hearing on the new rules. Health and Human Services left open the possibility that it could change the rule, offering a 60-day comment period. Officials have already spent more than three years listening to various arguments. The rules are backed by large transplant programs led by the University of Pittsburgh, which serves sicker patients and would benefit from a national system. Being published next week, the rules affect all organs
LI Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a bizarre discovery in the late Vincent Foster's attic, Whitewater prosecutors have landed a second set of Hillary Rodham Clinton's once-elusive law firm billing records, lawyers said Thursday. The records have fewer handwritten notations and fewer pages but generally contain the same information as the set belatedly found in the White House in 1996, the lawyers said. Nonetheless, the documents have become a fresh line of inquiry for grand jury questioning in Arkansas, where prosecutors are pressing to wrap up their investigation of the first lady's legal work for a failed savings and loan owned by her Whitewater business partner. ``You're sitting in the grand jury and the prosecutors read you an entry about Mrs. Clinton from one set of billing records, question you about it, then they pick up the other set and read other entries about other meetings,'' said one recent grand jury witness who spoke only on condition of anonymity. Prosecutors are trying to determine if Mrs. Clinton, while a private Arkansas attorney, assisted a series of fraudulent SL land transactions in the mid-1980s carried out by her business partner, the late James McDougal. They're also investigating whether she lied about her work under oath or tried to conceal documents in the Whitewater investigation that was begun during her husband's presidency. On Thursday, Mrs. Clinton's private lawyer described the second set of billing records, which were found last summer by Foster's widow, Lisa, in the attic of their Arkansas home. ``These Rose Law Firm billing records for Madison Guaranty Savings Loan, which were discovered by Mrs. Foster at her home in July of 1997, are virtually identical to the records produced by me'' to Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr, attorney David Kendall said. ``There are a few additional handwritten notations, and fifteen additional pages, in the set produced two years ago,'' Kendall said. Starr's office and Foster's lawyer, James Hamilton, declined comment. Foster and former Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell were partners with Mrs. Clinton at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock. They directed the firm to print the billing records in 1992 when questions about Whitewater arose during Clinton's first presidential campaign. But when prosecutors subpoenaed them later on, the records had mysteriously disappeared. In January 1996, more than two years after they had been first subpoenaed, the records were turned over after a presidential secretary found them on a table in the White House living quarters. The 100-plus pages of billing records outline Mrs. Clinton's legal work for McDougal's Madison Guaranty SL, including more than a dozen meetings with Hubbell's father-in-law, Seth Ward, an SL employee who was paid more than $300,000 in disputed commissions. The first lady and Ward say they recall nothing of the meetings. Hubbell has testified that Foster was the last one he saw handling the billing records. Last July, Lisa Foster was going through some stored belongings in her attic when she pulled a set of Mrs. Clinton's billing records from a briefcase used by her late husband just before his 1993 suicide. The briefcase also included correspondence from The New York Times seeking answers to questions about Whitewater, sources familiar with the briefcase's contents say. Mrs. Foster turned the briefcase and the materials over to her lawyer, who provided them to Starr. In court arguments a year ago, prosecutors identified Mrs. Clinton as someone who could be indicted and alleged that her account to investigators in the Whitewater investigation had changed over time. Among the things they are investigating is whether she was involved in the disappearance of the billing records. Federal bank examiners have previously reported Mrs. Clinton created a document in 1986 involving one of McDougal's most controversial land deals, Castle Grande, that was used by his SL to deceive federal regulators
LI Starr Focuses on Lewinsky Transfer
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Starr Focuses on Lewinsky Transfer WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House personnel chief testified before a federal grand jury Thursday, signaling a strong focus by Whitewater prosecutors on Monica Lewinsky's administration jobs -- including her transfer to the Pentagon. Marsha Scott appeared for a second time in a week before the grand jurors, who have heard from a half-dozen witnesses who played roles in Ms. Lewinsky's White House work prior to her April 1996 reassignment to the Defense Department. After Ms. Scott finished testifying, the president's chief of Oval Office operations, Nancy Hernreich, made her second appearance at the courthouse. She sees virtually everyone who enters the president's office. The testimony of witnesses familiar with Ms. Lewinsky's role could be valuable to prosecutors, even if the staffers were unaware of a Clinton-Lewinsky sexual relationship. They might be able to shed light on Ms. Lewinsky's frequent appearances around the Oval Office despite her low-level tasks -- a possible factor in her transfer. Ms. Lewinsky told a friend that she had a sexual affair with Clinton and he asked her to lie about it, contradicting her affidavit in the Paula Jones case denying a sexual relationship. The president has said there was no affair or suggestion that she lie. Those who previously testified included: --Former White House deputy chief of staff Evelyn Lieberman. Current and former White House officials have said that she wanted Ms. Lewinsky transferred because of ``inappropriate and immature behavior.'' --Timothy Keating, who hired Ms. Lewinsky in the legislative correspondence section when her internship ended. He said after testifying that Ms. Lewinsky was ``transferred because of dissatisfaction with her performance ... .'' --Patsy Thomasson, who was a White House personnel official. She said after her testimony that she gave the grand jury ``the facts about her placement at the Pentagon.'' --Jodie Torkelson, who also was a personnel aide. Her lawyer said after she testified Wednesday that she was asked about an e-mail memo she wrote in 1966. She asked in the memo that she be notified if Ms. Lewinsky sought another White House job. --Jocelyn Jolley, who was Ms. Lewinsky's direct supervisor in the legislative affairs office. Ms. Jolley was transferred out of the office the same day as Ms. Lewinsky. Ms. Scott has known Clinton from his days as Arkansas governor, and an incident in his deposition in the Jones case indicates she's a confidante of the president. As Clinton related the incident, he was attending a high school reunion in Arkansas in 1994 and got into a conversation with an old friend, Dolly Kyle Browning. According to the president, Ms. Browning was angry that he had not called her back in 1992 when she was concerned that a tabloid was going to run a story about her. The president said she began a jealous tirade about how unhappy she was that she had never had a sexual relationship with Clinton and threatened to sell a book claiming they did. Clinton said he asked Ms. Scott ``to listen to the conversation when it started, and she stood very close so she could hear everything, and then as soon as the conversation was over, I asked her if she had heard it...' The president said he later made notes of the conversation and asked Ms. Scott if they were consistent with her memory ``and she said `Yes, except I think that the conversation went on a little longer than you said ...''' Clinton testified he put the notes in a file folder, which went in a briefcase that was stored under his desk. Ms. Browning, a Dallas real estate attorney who gave a deposition in the Jones case, has said she had a long affair with Clinton and accused him of lying in his deposition. She said that at no time was Ms. Scott listening to the conversation, although a woman with blond hair (Ms. Scott is a blond) did interrupt their conversation twice to ask Clinton to end the conversation, which he did not do
LI Court looks again at sexual harassment
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON, March 25 (UPI) _ The Supreme Court is taking a long look at sexual harassment, with the justices preparing to hear back-to-back arguments in cases involving lifeguards in Boca Raton, Fla., and a teacher and student in a Texas school district. In fact, sexual harassment has become something of a theme this term. The justices ruled March 4, in a male-on-male case out of Louisiana, that victims may sue for workplace sexual harassment under federal civil rights law, even when their alleged harassers are of the same gender. In the Boca Raton case being heard today _ which examines the standards under which an employer can be held liable _ a woman lifeguard sued the city for alleged sexual harassment by her supervisors. A federal appeals court eventually ruled the city was not responsible. In the Texas case, a male teacher in the Lago Vista School District in Travis County allegedly began a sexual affair with a 15-year-old girl student. Court records say a police officer discovered the two having sex in 1993. The teacher was fired and the state revoked his teaching license. But the girl and her mother sued the school district under Title IX of the Education Act, which bars sexual discrimination, and by extension, sexual harassment. A federal appeals court eventually ruled that school districts are not liable for sexual harassment unless supervisors know about it and do nothing to stop it. Decisions in both of the cases should come before the court recesses for the summer in late June or early July. (No. 97-282, Faragher vs. Boca Raton; and No. 96-1866, Gebser et al vs. Lago Vista) _- -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Former Springer Guest Re-Arrested
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Former Springer Guest Re-Arrested GENEVA, N.Y. (AP) -- A woman who revealed on ``The Jerry Springer Show'' that she had sex with a 16-year-old boy has been arrested for seeing him again. Dawn Marie Eaves, 24, had been under court order not to have any more contact with the teen-ager. She was charged Wednesday with criminal contempt after police spotted them together in downtown Geneva. Eaves was originally sentenced to five years' probation after she pleaded guilty to having sex with the boy. That charge followed her October appearance on the television talk show with the boy and Michael Griffith, who is the father of one of her children. On the show, Griffith confronted Eaves about her relationship with the 16-year-old. The pair had an argument, which led to a fistfight between Griffith and various guests. The television appearance prompted an investigation and a third-degree rape charge. Eaves was in jail today in lieu of $2,000 bail. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Ark. Boys May Face Federal Charges
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ark. Boys May Face Federal Charges WASHINGTON (AP) -- The two boys arrested in the Arkansas school shooting could be charged as juveniles under federal law and officials were studying whether the older one could be tried as an adult, Attorney General Janet Reno said Thursday. Whether the 11-year-old or the 13-year-old now in custody for the Jonesboro shootings ends up facing federal rather than state charges will depend on which system provides the heaviest penalties. The question arose in part because Arkansas law forbids trying children 13 and under as adults; federal law allows adult trials for defendants as young as 13. ``What we're doing is going through all the various federal statutes to see what might be effective,'' Reno told her weekly news conference. ``At this point, ... both (juveniles) ... could be charged under certain federal crimes as juveniles.'' Reno and her aides said the questions remaining were: --Whether the 13-year-old could be tried as an adult in federal court. --Whether a federal juvenile prosecution was more likely than an Arkansas prosecution to allow the boys, if convicted, to be incarcerated until age 21 rather than just age 18. Although Arkansas law lets youths convicted under state juvenile law be held up to age 21, no one has ever been held past age 18, the state's legal age of adulthood. The reason is that Arkansas law requires that 18-to-21-year-olds convicted as juveniles cannot be housed in juvenile facilities, and, in adult prisons, must be separated from adult inmates. However, the state has no adult prison with such separate facilities. Federal juvenile law allows detention up to age 21 if the sentence lasts that long. Officials of the Justice Department's criminal division were conferring with U.S. Attorney Paula Casey in Arkansas and Arkansas officials over whether there would be any advantage to bringing federal charges, Reno said. Reno's deputy chief of staff Kent Markus said officials were trying to see if any federal statutes that allow adult trials of juveniles were applicable in this case. Federal law allows 13-year-olds but not 11-year-olds to be prosecuted as adults but only under very limited circumstances, Markus said. Those circumstances include certain violent federal offenses but not the law that makes it a federal crime for a juvenile to merely possess a handgun, he added. Four students and a teacher were slain Tuesday at Jonesboro's middle school, but murder is a federal crime only when committed on Indian reservations, in federal parks or on other federal property or against a federal law enforcement officer or very high-ranking federal official. Federal civil rights statutes can only be used in murder cases when the crime was committed because of race or national origin of the victims or by a law enforcement officer. Last year, a proposal to allow adults trials of youths as young as 12 failed to pass the Arkansas legislature. Gov. Mike Huckabee and state legislators this week called for readdressing the issue. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Mrs. Marcos Says Family Has $800M
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Talk about buying the presidency. LOL Mrs. Marcos Says Family Has $800M MANILA, Philippines (AP) -- Imelda Marcos claimed Thursday to have more than $800 million stashed away in foreign banks, all of which she promised to give to poor Filipinos if she is elected president. ``If you know how rich you are, you are not rich,'' the widow of dictator Ferdinand Marcos said. ``But me, I am not aware of the extent of my wealth. That's how rich we are.'' It is the first time Mrs. Marcos has publicly admitted her family has more wealth than that discovered by the government since Marcos was ousted in a popular revolt in 1986. Marcos died in 1989, accused of plundering about $10 billion from the national treasury during his 20-year rule. He never admitted any wrongdoing. Mrs. Marcos said the $800 million does not include $540 million the government has discovered her husband had in various accounts in two Swiss banks. ``There is more Marcos wealth that this government is not yet aware of, but for the time being, I can admit that there is only $800 million kept in various international banks, but I cannot reveal them,'' Mrs. Marcos told a press forum in Manila. Mrs. Marcos, who is trailing in a field of nine major candidates in May's presidential election, promised to distribute the money to poor communities. Magtanggol Gunigundo, chairman of the Presidential Commission on Good Government, in charge of recovering the Marcos wealth, welcomed her admission. ``That is good, so that we can embark on another case of forfeiture and confiscation,'' Gunigundo said. But while he said he believes the Marcoses do have undisclosed assets -- how much he would not say -- he also cautioned that Mrs. Marcos' statement must also be seen in the light of the presidential campaign. ``I believe she is saying this in order to titillate the people to vote for her,'' he said. Mrs. Marcos ran unsuccessfully in the 1992 election and won a seat in the House of Representatives in 1995. In December and January, the Swiss Supreme Court ordered that the $540 million be transferred to an escrow account in the Philippines. The court stipulated that the Philippine government will get the money only if it proves Mrs. Marcos obtained it illegally. So far, Mrs. Marcos has been convicted only on unrelated corruption charges. She was sentenced to nine to 12 years in prison but is free on bond pending an appeal. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Navy Ordered To Reinstate Officer
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Navy Ordered To Reinstate Officer WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal judge told the Navy on Thursday to comply with his order reinstating a chief petty officer who successfully fought dismissal from the military over allegations of homosexuality. U.S. District Court Judge Stanley Sporkin said the Navy should return Timothy R. McVeigh to his old status as the top enlisted man on a nuclear attack submarine rather than give him only clerical jobs. Setting a June 1 hearing, Sporkin gave the Navy two months to comply with his January order in the case in which he said the Navy wrongly enforced the Pentagon's ``don't ask, don't tell'' policy on gays in the military. Christopher Wolf, McVeigh's attorney, accused the Navy of ``dragging its feet'' and purposely keeping the decorated 17-year veteran from returning to his former duties that would let him advance his career. ``He used to be in the chief of boat position,'' Wolf said after the court hearing Thursday. In that job, McVeigh managed the day-to-day activities of a nuclear attack submarine, the USS Chicago. ``And now he's stuck with clerical duties.'' Justice Department attorney David Glass, representing the government, told the judge one chief of boat position had opened up recently, but McVeigh wasn't deemed the best candidate. The judge ordered the Navy to justify its decision by May 1. Glass refused to comment after the court hearing. Joe Krovisky, a Justice spokesman, said the government intends to fully reinstate McVeigh. ``He just didn't qualify for this particular chief of boat position,'' Krovisky said. ``The Navy felt someone else would do a better job.'' McVeigh, who is not related to the Oklahoma City bomber, was dismissed in December on charges he is homosexual and engaged in sodomy. The 36-year-old, stationed at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, has not commented on his sexuality. Pentagon policy allows dismissal of someone who discloses he's gay, but the military cannot raise the issue without sufficient cause. Sporkin said the Navy went too far in investigating McVeigh, who was linked to an anonymous America Online Inc. computer profile page that suggested he had a sexual interest in young men. The judge also said the Navy violated the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act by obtaining confidential information about McVeigh from AOL without a warrant or court order. The Navy is appealing, while McVeigh is pursuing a lawsuit against the military, seeking unspecified damages. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L.: I think that Hillary Clinton is a very, very intelligent woman, and she knows exactly what she is saying or not saying when it comes to "knowing" something. Reagan played the same game during Iran Contra. I could never figure out during that one how all the things that were going on around him could possibly happen without him knowing what what going on. But he said he didn't. :) I don't think she is lying anymore than Reagan was, they just aren't telling the truth. All of it anyway. Sue Hi Sue - here's one of those paragraphs, snipped from your post, which could keep a bunch of people busy a bunch of years diagramming all the possible (or reasonably posited) states of mind depicted. Did she assist? If so, did she knowingly assist? If she lied, was it a conscious lie or was she passing on a lie? If she concealed, etc. etc. etc. Here come the experts on 'putative mental states' and 'psychology of thought'! Stretching the controversy a bit? Can't help it, I was bitten by the *Law//Issues online forum bug*. :) LDMF. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I don't think anyone thinks that Hillary Clinton is an idiot. I really don't. And I am not one of her supporters. But how do you prove a person knows or doesn't know something. How can anyone prove that Reagan knew what was going on during Iran/Contra. Common sense says that he did, but how can one prove it. Sue Well now, Linda, when William F. Buckley was sued for fraud in the operation of a family business many years ago he testified that he was too naive to know what was going on. The jury naturally bought his protestations of ignorance as any jury would Hillary's. The answer though to all the deep philosophical questions is yes. I refuse to believe Hillary is an idiot like her supporters believe. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Twins died of SIDS
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: I don't know what to think. I just can't believe that there wasn't some outside reason why these two babies died at the same time. The article says it was a poor neighborhood, leaking gas (ruled out), no heat, filthy living conditions, lack of food, ??? Maybe they had some kind of virus such as meningitis, something. You are right though sometimes there just isn't any answer. :((( Sue Hi Sue, To say the least this is a confusing case, yet interesting. I personally don't think a majority of the cases are homicides, I do think that some that were classified as SIDS were homicides though, the evidence has shown us that. The one thing I was wondering and the article didn't say it was did she have proper prenatal care? Did she carry the twins full term or were they preemies? If they were preemies I can easily understand them dying, since most preemies have respiratory problems. My nephews who were preemies did, yet they were born at 27 weeks, and had a lot of problems. I can't help but agree this is very rare they would both die of Sids especially at the same time. Yet it does look like that is what happened. Sometimes there just isn't any easy answer and sometimes there will never be an answer to the questions that are raised. This looks like it might be one of them. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Vampire Killer
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: ROTFLMAO How gross. BG It is funny though. But I do tend to have a sick sense of humor. I certainly hope he at least cooked the guy a little bit, don't want to get Samonella. :( I wonder if you could get Samonella from eating raw people meat. (geeze the things that can go through ones mind) Reminds me of the "Silence of the Lambs" movie. :) What do they do with these people anyway. I know I certainly wouldn't be getting any sleep if I was stuck in a cell with one of them. Sue LOL Sue you just reminded me of a SK in Russia, the jailers weren't to smart, this man was convicted of being a SK and he liked to eat his victims, so what did they do? They gave him a roomy in jail! LOL Needles to say after an argument when the jailers went to check on the inmates there was only part of one left. They then learned NOT to put a room mate in with that SK. You would have thought common sense told them not to put someone in with him. I can't remember the man's name right now, plus Russian names are a bit hard to remember. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Senator proposes child-gun bill
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like California is a head of the federal government. We already have such a law. :) And it is working. :))) Sue WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) _ In response to a schoolyard attack in Arkansas by heavily armed 11- and 13-year-old kids, Sen. Dick Durbin, D- Ill., says (Thursday) he will introduce legislation that would punish adults who fail to properly store firearms away from children. The boys, accused of killing four female students and a teacher, and shooting 11 others, apparently took the weapons from their own homes. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Any ideas or help would be appreciated
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone: Dr. L. and I have been working on something and would appreciate any help or ideas anyone might have. First off I will repost the orginal story so you will know what I am talking about :) A law that makes it a felony for one parent to beat another does not apply to the beating of a pregnant woman by the father of the fetus, a state appeals court said. The ruling disappointed Riverside County prosecutors, who are discussing whether to appeal the case to the state Supreme Court, said Deputy District Attorney Colleen Mass. "Other rulings have given broad interpretations to the laws about spousal abuse," Mass said. The ruling by the 4th District Court of Appeals stems from the prosecution of Branson S. Ward, who was charged with assaulting Thea Airrington, his former girlfriend, in her Riverside apartment in March 1996. Airrington, who broke up with Ward the previous month, was 3 1/2 months pregnant at the time of the attack. Ward grabbed her arms, pushed her down, grabbed her by the hair and slammed her head into a closet door, slapped her and squeezed her neck, the court said. Prosecutors said the two still were seeing each other, though not living together. Ward was convicted of two felonies, aggravated assault and battery on the mother of his child, and sentenced to six years in prison. The sentence was double the usual term because Ward had a previous violent felony conviction and was covered by the three-strikes law. As drafted, the law used to prosecute Ward imposed felony penalties of up to four years in prison for beatings that would normally be misdemeanors, punishable by up to a year in jail, if the victim was the attacker's spouse of cohabitant. It was expanded in 1988 to include the beating of "the mother or father of (the attacker's) child." That amendment was used it the prosecution of Ward. Superior Court Judge W. Charles Morgan ruled that the parental violence law covered the beating of a pregnant woman. The appeals court, in overturning his ruling, said the law defines "mother" in a way that makes "the birth of a child...an essential prerequisite." The same law does not define "child" but other laws, prohibiting child abuse and neglect, have been interpreted to apply only to children after birth, said Justice Art McKinster in the 3-0 ruling. Mass, though, said murder statutes have provisions that allow someone to be charged in the death of a fetus. McKinster also rejected the state's argument that the law was intended to apply to all types of domestic violence, and said it was up to the Legislature to make that change. The attorney general's office may propose such a change, although it has not ruled out an appeal, said Deputy Attorney General Lilia Garcia, the state's lawyer. "We believe that a family relationship between the expectant mother and the batterer continues during the pregnancy, and she should be entitled to protection," Garcia said. Despite the ruling, Ward's prison sentence will not be reduced because it was legally based on the assault conviction, Garcia said. Diane Nicoles, Ward's lawyer, could not be reached for comment. Now here is what we are working on. I found a state law which may overturn this. It is: CALIFORNIA CODES CIVIL CODE SECTION 43-53 43. Besides the personal rights mentioned or recognized in the Government Code, every person has, subject to the qualifications and restrictions provided by law, the right of protection from bodily restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from injury to his personal relations. 43.1. A child conceived, but not yet born, is deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for the child's interests in the event of the child's subsequent birth. Dr. L. and I would appreciate anything that anyone can contribute to our little project. We also have the court ruling if anyone would like to see it. Thanks Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Lewinsky's Mom to Remain a Witness
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON (AP) -- Monica Lewinsky's mother failed today in an attempt to avoid further questioning by a federal grand jury investigating allegations of a presidential affair and cover-up. After a two-hour closed hearing before presiding Judge Norma Holloway Johnson, Marcia Lewis' attorney told reporters that Ms. Lewinsky's mother will continue to be a witness in the case. Without giving any details of the arguments at the U.S. Courthouse, attorney Billy Martin said that ``Marcia Lewis walked into the courthouse as a witness. She is here complying with a subpoena. ... Unfortunately, nothing changed. She remains a witness before the grand jury.'' Martin said Mrs. Lewis has ``loving support of her daughter, Monica, and would look forward to making a statement'' when her testimony is completed. It was not immediately clear whether Mrs. Lewis was resuming her questioning before the panel today. Martin spoke to reporters during a midday lunch break. Mrs. Lewis had taken sick during an appearance before Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr's grand jury some six weeks ago. A psychiatrist, Dr. Neil Blumberg, was called into the closed hearing for Lewis, but said afterwards that the judge would not allow him to make any comment on why he was there or who had summoned him to courthouse. Little has been seen of her publicly in recent weeks, although Mrs. Lewis accompanied her daughter and Ms. Lewinsky's lawyer, William Ginsburg, to a professional basketball game here last week. Prosecutors working for Starr are trying to learn whether Ms. Lewinsky, a former White House intern, had an affair with President Clinton and whether they tried to keep it secret. They have been seeking to identify friends and associates in whom Ms. Lewinsky may have confided her relationship with the president. Linda Tripp, who worked with Ms. Lewinsky at the White House and subsequently moved to the Pentagon, tape-recorded conversations in which Ms. Lewinsky described such a relationship with Clinton. Ms. Tripp subsequently gave the tapes to Starr's office. The president has denied that he had sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky. Mrs. Lewis had emerged from her earlier grand jury appearance in mid-February on the verge of tears after a session in which she briefly required medical assistance. Martin said at the time that it was ``an ordeal that no one should have to go through.'' ``She was unable to complete her testimony,and her obligation to testify continues,''he said subsequently in a statement. ``As you can imagine, this is a very emotionally draining and difficult time for my client, Marcia Lewis. No mother should ever be forced by federal prosecutors to testify against their child.'' Mrs. Lewis' ex-husband, Bernard Lewinsky, who is Ms. Lewinsky's father, went on ABC television to denounce Starr's prosecution strategy, saying that it was calculated to ``to pit a mother against her daughter, to coerce her to talk.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Another Woman-Clinton
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Someone on one of those Sunday News shows said that the WH and everyone on the "hill" keep right up on those polls that are published. I'm sure that they are all aware of the publics feelings about Clinton. I honestly don't think it will get to the point where it gets before Congress, and if it does, I don't think these people are going to risk their "jobs" getting rid of a President who has the approval rating Clinton does. I realize that most of the people do not approve of him, but they do like the job that he is doing. As long as their lives are comfortable they have jobs, the economy is up, and everything else is going good, they are going to overlook any thing that he does other than his job. I also don't think that this trip to Africa is doing him any harm either. That's just the way I see it. :) Sue Hi Sue I just can't help but wonder if Congress stays in tune with the public at all sometimes. Now they have allocated more money for this mess. I just shake my head. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Polygraph Testing/Jackie, Sue
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: It is mostly mumbo jumbo. Nothing anyone could understand much less use against someone. Sue Hi Dr. L Sue would know more than me about sodium penothol. I only know from experience the effects of the stuff. Yep, Sue, some people do say some weird things. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI I'm bewildered! I'm Shocked! In reality I'm fed up with the BS
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Sounds good to me. But we definately need to go after the big bucks, because Ed is going to want a big percentage of this thing, that is for sure. BEG Hi Sue LOL How about a percentage of what I get?? jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jim McDougal
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I think that you are right about that one. Even during his first campaign he was running with the Hollywood celebs, and was sort of a part of them. Even went on the Arsenio Hall show and played his horn. People do tend to forgive celebs anything. Even if they go to jail. Hillary standing by him certainly didn't hurt at all. Another thing that has been brought up is the fact that people are uneasy about getting into his private sexual life. I think that might have a lot to do with it too. I have thought about the fact that if they can get into his, what is stopping them from getting into any one of ours. Although mine would certainly be boring. BEG Sue Hi Sue I think the commentators have point out an important reason why. Clinton has been put in the same category as a celebrity and we don't expect as much in morality from celebrities, they suggested. The other thing they mentioned that Hillary has helped him tremendously by staunching defending him. They felt that many then felt if she could forgive him, why not the rest of us if he had done those things. Something to think about I would think. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Vampire Killing was Re: LI Question
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Do you think it is possible that the antisocial behavior could be due to the fact that there is so many different ways now to relate to people without face to face confrontation. Such as email. :) People don't have to get involved personally with anyone anymore in order to survive in the world. And if they want company all they have to do is turn on the puter, television, etc and they have company. They don't have to interact if they don't want to, and if they disagree with something said they can either turn it off, or come back with whatever they want without fear of reprisal. A person can live perfect fine without ever leaving the house now. There are jobs that can be done at home, order in food or whatever you need, and communicate via phone and puter. You don't even have to go to the bank you can do that via puter. With less and less interacting with society, there is little need to be social. You can carry on a relationship with people without ever even knowing anything about them. Only what they chose to tell you, which may or may not be true. Heck you can even have sex. LOL Sue Hi Sue and Steve Just skimmed the article Sue. Am playing catchup again. We have not been able to get into the server--stupid thing. We are discussing genes in developmental this week. Real controversery about nature vrs nurture as you know. But of course I fall on the side of nurture more so than nature. Do know that there is some interesting research in that area in regard to personality traits. The students handed in articles, so as I read them will fill you in on the latest research if you like. One pretty good article points out the difference between a person's genotype and phenotype. And it appears that your phenotype is considerably influenced by the environment, so even if you are born with personality traits you may not express them. Not unless the environment is conducive to the expression of those traits. I think it is the same as the old diasthesis-stress approach to personality. The predisposition may be there, but the person has to be exposed to the right stressors or stimuli before the predispostion "kicks" in. They were using that idea in the 80s as a possible explanation for alcoholism, etc. Can't remember if I kept my old abnormal or psychology books, but it is book request time again (Christmas in April and May for me--G). One thing that is often forgotten is that if there is a genetic basis for a personality trait does not mean the person necessarily demonstrates the trait negatively. Many successful politican, surgeons, and policemen would be classified as having antisocial personality characteristics. In fact there is some speculation that the culture of American has resulted in a majority of the population being antisocials to some degree. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Study Confirms Deficit in the Brainstem of SIDS Victims
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Bobby keeps telling me just to play around with it. That is the only way to learn. But every time I do something like that it takes him about 4 or more hours to figure out how to clean up the mess I make. Seems that I never remember what it was I did to create the problem in the first place. Kathy has pulled me out of more messes than I care to remember, or she wants to remember too, I'm sure. :) Can't you go on to the Mayo site. Most of these big places have indebth sites where you can pretty much find anything you want. In fact Harvard and Cornell even put some of their professors' lessons right on their sites. There are a lot of "papers" that are put on there too. Sue Hi Sue Thanks for the site. I talked to our new librarian today and he told me who to call at Mayo to try and get permission to be a patron and get lots of their information. Hope it works. Will call next week--figure this is a busy week for everyone including Mayo. I am simply going to have to bug poor Kathy and learn how to make links. After all, she has nothing better to do than instruct us computer geniuses, right : ) (Like heck, I can hear Kathy muttering in the background--G) Isn't that the story all the time--I promise this won't hurt you as it is only a little bit of spray. I like technology too, but I wish we wouldn't jump quite so quickly to use it all the time. Thanks again for sending the book--as soon as I get through this week, I can read it--hooray. I caught Ed giving it the ole' hawkeye look so will have to watch over the book or he will begin reading it. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Any ideas or help would be appreciated
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 43. Besides the personal rights mentioned or recognized in the Government Code, every person has, subject to the qualifications and restrictions provided by law, the right of protection from bodily restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from injury to his personal relations. 43.1. A child conceived, but not yet born, is deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for the child's interests in the event of the child's subsequent birth. HI Sue, Ooops, instead of helping I think I see an argument that would go against you here. It seems to me that 43.1 covers situations where something occurs during a pregnancy that affects the child who is "subsequently born". This would enable legal action, for example, against a person who caused the injury or damage. An example of this would be a car accident where a drunk driver injured a pregnant woman and her child is born with serious defects caused by the accident. Or someone who assaulted a pregnant woman and caused defects in the child that was subsequently born. Ironically, the law does not specify the rights of a fetus who is NOT "subsequently born" but dies as a result of the criminal action. Given the legality of abortion, it seems a defense attorney could argue that the fetus had no rights at the time of its death. That, in order to have any rights with respect to the assault, the fetus would have had to survived long enough to be "subsequently born." But then again, I'm not a lawyer, so don't let me rain on your parade here. :) Bill Hi Bill: LOL You aren't raining on our parade here. In fact you came up with exactly what we came up with..."It seems to me that 43.1 covers situations where something occurs during a pregnancy that affects the child who is "subsequently born". This would enable legal action, for example, against a person who caused the injury or damage."... Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Whitewater Grand Jury Sees Records/psych
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I have to admit I know next to nothing about what happened with Whitewater. What I do know is; Susan McDougal and her husband either owned or ran a bank and they agreed to give loans that were not legal. There was some land that someone owned and the investors were somehow swindled. I don't even know who owned the land or who did the swindling. Hillary had a small amount of money and managed to parlay that money into a big amount. There were some papers that disappeared and suddenly were found on a table in the white house by a maid or someone. (That is amazing to me BG) And no one seems to know how they got there. That is my extent of knowledge of Whitewater. Was Hillary acting as the attorney for these people. I know she belonged to a group of lawyers. What I was saying basically is that if a person says that they were not privy to information, and have not discussed this information with anyone then how can it be proven that they knew anything. One can "know" that they do, but to prove it seems impossible, to me anyway. Like Reagan, everyone knew that the Iran/Contra thing was something that he had to have known about. If he didn't then he should have been kicked out for stupidity. But no one would say he knew, and he wouldn't admit to knowing, so how do you prove it. Am I making sense? Sue OK, Sue, seriously. When a lawyer takes part in a swindle it seems farfetched to claim they were ignorant of what was going on. When the elements of a swindle or bribery are proven, a participant should have to show why they were ignorant just as a killer has to prove insanity. It won't work that way for Hillary but it does for ordinary people. Best, Terry -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve: On the abortion issue, I think that Terry brought up something that to me makes sense. That issue relates to the rights of the woman. In this case the woman's rights were violated because she had no choice as to whether her baby was or wasn't harmed. That is the way I see it anyway. :) Sue As far as the law goes over here a fetus is not a baby or a child until it is to, advanced to legally allow a abortion, this includes using a fetus for genetic and Pharmaceutical research. I think that is a good place to begin with although there are minor pressure groups trying to get the legal limit reduced. The question of when does a baby become a person is one for which I cannot find a comfortable time for, and I think the research that I have seen on Discovery and other programs about when a baby becomes self aware all leave me feeling uneasy. Another thing we discussed (at college today) was the use of oxygenated liquid to help premature babies with undeveloped lungs survive, its an offshoot from deep sea diving technology (as in the film Abyss, your government was actually quite aggrieved that it was used in the film). As our ability to keep premature babies alive improves I feel it will make the above question more and more difficult. When the technology comes along to enable a baby to grow without its mother then some serious sociological questions have to be answered. Its bad enough with that but when we can successfully clone ourselves to use as spare parts then Frankenstein will be alive and well for sure. Medical technology is reaching a point were all the unacceptable things that we depicted in comic books, are now becoming closer to reality. Steve -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Is a Fetus a Person? /Bill [was LI Any ideas or help would be appreciated]
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: You have it exactly the way that I see it. And the thing I can't understand is how can they say in the civil law that the fetus is a child, and then the Supreme Court say it isn't. Can't have it both ways, IMO. Either it is, or it isn't. Sue Seems rather clear to me, Linda. The most extreme case is when a fetus is killed which is not covered by 43.1. That has been found to be murder when it is done without the mother's consent. But if a fetus is to be "deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for the child's interests in the event of the child's subsequent birth" the child's interests are certainly harmed by an attack on the mother. The interests of the mother and fetus are nearly identical in this case. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI 40-50 people murdered?
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A respiratory therapist at Glendale Community Hospital, has just admitted to killing between 40-50 patients over the past few years. He says he did this for humanitarian purposes. The news is just breaking in LA. Sue Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Is a Fetus a Person? + Liquid air for premamture births
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: OK I see where you are coming from. I still have a problem though. According to the Supreme Court a fetus is not considered a child, but according to the Civil statute a fetus is considered a child. They can't have it both ways, IMO. Either it is or it isn't. Sue Hi Sue, You're exactly right with respect to the rights of the woman and she should be able to sue the person who killed her fetus for a large judgment. But this does not relate to the rights of the fetus. It seems that the law says the fetus has not rights as a person until he/she is born. But once the fetus is born, those rights apply to any damages that was done to him/her at any time after conception. If the fetus dies before birth, then no rights would be in effect. But the rights of the mother are clearly defined by law. Again the issue of abortion seems to invite comparison here. IF a fetus had the same rights as a person that we all have, then included in this is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But if a fetus is given those rights under the law, then how can the law allow abortion? Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lawyer Jokes What's the only disadvantage to using lawyers instead of rats in laboratory experiments? It's harder to extrapolate the test results to human beings. Why should lawyers be buried 100 feet deep? Because deep down, they're really good people. What educational programs should the United States support to alleviate the burgeoning US-Japan trade imbalance? Japanese language lessons for lawyers. Why do lawyers carry their certification on their dashboard? So they can park in the handicapped parking; it's proof of a moral disability. How can you tell there's an afterlife for lawyers? Because after they die, they lie still. What is a criminal lawyer? Redundant. What are lawyers good for? They make used car and life insurance salesmen look good. What's black and brown and looks good on a lawyer? A doberman pinscher. What did the lawyer name his daughter? Sue. What do you call a person who assists a criminal in breaking the law before the criminal gets arrested? An accomplice. What do you call a person who assists a criminal in breaking the law after the criminal gets arrested? A lawyer. What do you call 10,000 dead lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start. How can you tell when your lawyer is lying? His lips move. How do you save a drowning lawyer? Take your foot off his head. How do you get a lawyer out of a tree? Cut the rope. What do have when a lawyer is buried up to his neck in wet cement? Not enough cement. What's the difference between a lawyer and a bucket of cow manure? The bucket. Why is it that so many lawyers have broken noses? From chasing parked ambulances. If you see a lawyer on a bicycle, why should you never swerve to hit him? It might be your bicycle. Where can you find a good lawyer? In the city morgue. What do you get when you cross the Godfather with a lawyer? An offer you can't understand. What happens when you cross a pig with a lawyer? Nothing. There are some things a pig won't do. Why are lawyers never attacked by sharks? Professional courtesy. What's the definition of "a shame" (as in, "that's a shame")? When a busload of lawyers goes off a cliff. What is the definition of a "crying shame"? When there was an empty seat. How many corporate attorneys does it take to change a light bulb? Who knows, you need 250 just to lobby for the research grant. How many defense attorneys does it take to change a light bulb? How many can you afford? Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, an honest lawyer and an old drunk are walking down the street together when they simultaneously spot a hundred dollar bill. Who gets it? The old drunk, of course; the other three are mythological creatures. Why does California have the most lawyers, and New Jersey, the most toxic waste dumps? New Jersey got first pick. What do you call a lawyer with an I. Q. of 50? Your honor. What do you call a lawyer whose gone bad? Senator. What is the difference between a lawyer and a trampoline? You take off your shoes to jump on a trampoline! In front of you stand four men: Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein and a lawyer. You are holding a gun which contains only three bullets. Who do you shoot? Use all three bullets on the lawyer. What is the difference between a tick and a lawyer? The tick stops draining you and drops off after you're dead. What do you call 5000 dead lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start! How can you tell when a lawyer is lying? His lips are moving. What is the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead lawyer in the road? There are skid marks in front of the dog. What is the difference between a dead lawyer and a squished skunk in the road? The vultures will eat the skunk. What is the difference between a lawyer and a skunk? Nobody wants to hit a skunk. Why won't vultures eat dead lawyers? There are some things that would gag even a vulture. -- STEREOTYPES OF THE GREEK SYSTEM "Frat Guy Divulges Fraternity Myths, Addresses Stereotypes" I am a frat guy. I live in a frat house. I go to frat parties. I fight. I especially like to fight independents. I think if indedpendents were cool they would have pledged a frat in the first place. I know that independents are jealous of my social life. I believe that I am more fun and can party harder than any GDI. I am exclusive. I run dances. I am the brains behind Spring Break. I am the reason road trips exist. I hope you enjoyed my homecoming party last Friday. I can recite the greek alphabet before the fire of a match burns out. I can rattle off all of my founding father's as well as my fraternity obligations, but I don't know the words to my school song or my accounting profs last name. I don't go to class. I never study. I devise elaborate schemes to cheat on my exams. I don't buy books. I have a low GPA. I have an endles
LI How To Build An Atom Bomb
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The following article is from: The Journal of Irreproducible Results Volume 25/Number 4/1979 http://www.jir.com/ HOW TO BUILD AN ATOM BOMB 1.INTRODUCTION Worldwide controversy has been generated recently from several court decisions in the United States which have restricted popular magazines from printing articles which describe how to make an atomic bomb. The reason usually given by the courts is that national security would be compromised if such information were generally available. But, since it is commonly known that all of the information is publicly available in most major metropolitan libraries, obviously the court's officially stated position is covering up a more important factor; namely, that such atomic devices would prove too difficult for the average citizen to construct. The United States courts cannot afford to insult the vast majorities by insinuating that they do not have the intelligence of a cabbage, and thus the "official" press releases claim national security as a blanket restriction. The rumors that have unfortunately occurred as a result of widespread misinformation can (and must) be cleared up now, for the construction project this month is the construction of a thermonuclear device, which will hopefully clear up any misconceptions you might have about such a project. We will see how easy it is to make a device of your very own in ten easy steps, to have and hold as you see fit, without annoying interference from the government or the courts. The project will cost between $5,000 and $30,000, depending on how fancy you want the final product to be. Since last week's column, "Let's Make a Time Machine", was received so well in the new step-by-step format, this month's column will follow the same format. 2.CONSTRUCTION METHOD 1.First, obtain about 50 pounds (110 kg) of weapons grade Plutonium at your local supplier (see NOTE 1). A nuclear power plant is not recommended, as large quantities of missing Plutonium tends to make plant engineers unhappy. We suggest that you contact your local terrorist organization, or perhaps the Junior Achievement in your neighborhood. 2.Please remember that Plutonium, especially pure, refined Plutonium, is somewhat dangerous. Wash your hands with soap and warm water after handling the material, and don't allow your children or pets to play in it or eat it. Any left over Plutonium dust is excellent as an insect repellant. You may wish to keep the substance in a lead box if you can find one in your local junk yard, but an old coffee can will do nicely. 3.Fashion together a metal enclosure to house the device. Most common varieties of sheet metal can be bent to disguise this enclosure as, for example, a briefcase, a lunch pail, or a Buick. Do not use tinfoil. 4.Arrange the Plutonium into two hemispheral shapes, separated by about 4 cm. Use rubber cement to hold the Plutonium dust together. 5.Now get about 100 pounds (220 kg) of trinitrotoluene (TNT). Gelignite is much better, but messier to work with. Your helpful hardware man will be happy to provide you with this item. 6.Pack the TNT around the hemisphere arrangement constructed in step 4. If you cannot find Gelignite, fell free to use TNT packed in with Playdo or any modeling clay. Colored clay is acceptable, but there is no need to get fancy at this point. 7.Enclose the structure from step 6 into the enclosure made in step 3. Use a strong glue such as "Crazy Glue" to bind the hemisphere arrangement against the enclosure to prevent accidental detonation which might result from vibration or mishandling. 8.To detonate the device, obtain a radio controlled (RC) servo mechanism, as found in RC model airplanes and cars. With a modicum of effort, a remote plunger can be made that will strike a detonator cap to effect a small explosion. These detonator caps can be found in the electrical supply section of your local supermarket. We recommend the "Blast-O-Mactic" brand because they are no deposit-no return. 9.Now hide the completed device from the neighbors and children. The garage is not recommended because of high humidity and the extreme range of temperatures experienced there. Nuclear devices have been known to spontaneously detonate in these unstable conditions. The hall closet or under the kitchen sink will be perfectly suitable. 10.Now you are the proud owner of a working thermonuclear device! It is a great ice-breaker at parties, and in a pinch, can be used for national defense. 3.THEORY OF OPERATION The device basically works when the detonated TNT compresses the Plutonium into a critical mass. The critical mass then produces a nuclear chain recation similar to the domino chain reaction (discussed in this column, "Dominos on the March", March, 1968
LI Re: Jones' Attorneys Allege Cover-Up
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jones' Attorneys Allege Cover-Up WASHINGTON (AP) -- Paula Jones' attorneys filed court papers Saturday contending President Clinton obstructed justice by withholding letters, notes and telephone messages between the president and Kathleen Willey until after she accused him of a crude sexual advance on national television. In the new papers and an accompanying press release, the attorneys made an accusation against Clinton from 20 years ago involving a woman who had not been mentioned in the Jones case previously. Clinton's attorney said it was an act of desperation and the woman's lawyer said, ``These are vicious rumors and allegations. We're not going to take any position. We're not going to get involved.'' Regarding the Willey documents, Mrs. Jones' lawyers said the White House had expressly denied any such papers existed, including records about Ms. Willey's employment, appointments, duties, conferences, logs and telephone records. The attorneys for Mrs. Jones, who has accused the president of sexual harassment while he was governor of Arkansas, said they asked three months ago for documents concerning Ms. Willey, a volunteer worker at the White House. In the days after Ms. Willey made her allegations in a ``60 Minutes'' interview on March 15, the White House released 17 documents, which consisted of notes, letters and telephone messages. Some of the letters, signed ``Fondly, Kathleen,'' were cited as evidence that the two remained on good terms even after Clinton allegedly fondled her just outside the Oval Office in November 1993. The lawyers said their court filing offers ``new evidence of witness tampering and coverup by defendant Clinton.'' A White House counsel, Jim Kennedy, said Saturday the ``letters and other papers'' referred to by the Jones lawyers in their latest filing ``are White House documents'' as opposed to Clinton's personal papers. ``Mrs. Jones attorneys ... failed to seek these records from the White House.'' Kennedy said Mrs. Jones lawyers on other occasions have sought White House documents and were aware that different subpoenas are necessary to obtain personal items from Clinton and to obtain White House documents. The filing was made in Little Rock, Ark., where the harassment lawsuit is slated to go to trial May 27. The federal judge handling the case is weighing a motion by Clinton's lawyers to dismiss Mrs. Jones' lawsuit. In court papers, Jones's attorneys also said they have gathered evidence suggesting Clinton may have sexually assaulted an Arkansas woman in the late 1970s while he was the state's attorney general. Clinton's lawyer called the allegation an act of desperation and said in a statement that the woman has denied it under oath. The court filing includes a letter from the 1992 campaign year in which Phillip David Yoakum, an acquaintance of the woman, writes to her and says she confided to him about an incident which he says took place 14 years earlier in a hotel room during a conference of the Arkansas State Nursing Home Association in Little Rock. Clinton lawyer Robert Bennett said releasing the material ``is an act of desperation by reckless and irresponsible lawyers who know they have a weak case in the Paula Jones case.'' ``They know that (the woman) under oath has denied these allegations,'' Bennett added. ``What they are doing is with the financial support of the Clinton haters they are trying to taint the jury pool and humiliate the president. We have about seven more weeks of this and finally will be in court where these super leakers will have to present hard evidence.'' Contacted at her home, the woman told The Associated Press, ``I'm aware of the letter. I have no comment on any of it.'' The letter was dated Oct. 23 1992 and purported to describe an incident that occurred in 1978. The allegation in the Jones' court papers said Clinton ``assaulted her and then bribed and/or intimidated her and her family into remaining silent about this outrage.'' The Van Buren, Ark., registered nurse referred
LI Letter Says Clinton Sexually Assaulted a Woman
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: March 28 Paula Jones attorneys today filed papers in their case against President Clinton that contain an unsigned letter alleging the president sexually assaulted a woman in a hotel room 20 years ago. The lawyers offer no other evidence. The woman has denied the incident under oath while testifying in the Jones case, legal sources told ABCNEWS. The lawyers did not include her denial in their papers, filed in court in Little Rock, Ark. Clintons lawyer, Robert Bennett, today called the accusation false, reckless, outrageous and a sign the Jones lawyers are becoming desperate. White House spokesman Mike McCurry, traveling with the president in Africa, said he had not seen the letter and had no comment on it. Jones is suing Clinton, accusing him of sexually harassing her in a hotel room when he was governor of Arkansas. Clinton denies the allegations. Lawyers: Letter Refutes Clinton Jones attorneys, in their filing, said the letter refutes Clintons assertion in a legal deposition that he had not and would not sexually harass any woman. The letter is dated Oct. 23,1992, and is from a man named Phillip Yoakum to the woman, identified as a registered nurse. The letter, which goes into graphic detail of the alleged encounter, says it happened in a hotel room at a nursing home conference in Little Rock. Yoakum Details Unavailable The papers do not identify Yoakum, and further information on his whereabouts or background were not immediately available. The phone number listed for Phillip Yoakum at the address on the letter answers with an automatic phone company recording saying the number has been disconnected or is no longer in service. There is no other listing for a Phillip Yoakum in Arkansas. The letter says Yoakum faxed a document detailing the facts of the rape as you had told them to me to Sheffield Nelson, a long-time Republican opponent of Clinton who lost to him in the 1990 gubernatorial election. The letter says Nelson was suspicious but met with Yoakum. It doesnt further identify their link. Letter Unsigned, Tapes Destroyed Yoakums letter, which he calls a copy, has no signature. He claims in a fax to an attorney he names as Wendell Holmes to have had a Xerox copy of the letter but to have destroyed it along with tapes he had made of conversations with the woman, her husband and others involved. A Texas-based attorney in Jones case is named T. Wesley Holmes. Jones attorneys, in the papers filed today, also state that Clintons staff, by producing letters from Kathleen Willey that called her truthfulness into question, showed that they were obstructing the Jones case by not producing similar documents when Jones lawyers demanded them earlier. Willey, in a much-watched interview on 60 Minutes, claimed that Clinton had groped her and kissed her inappropriately near the Oval Office. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Approval of Clinton As Person Down Six Percent
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: March 22 New polls showed Saturday that the grand jury proceedings have already taken a toll on public faith in President Clintons personal morals. The same polls indicated the credibility of Clinton accuser Kathleen Willey is also in serious doubt. But a new figure emerged Saturday to corroborate one heavily disputed aspect of her story. Despite the controversies, the presidents job approval rating holds strong, ranging between 59 percent and 67 percent in three new public opinion surveys released this weekend. Personal Approval Sees Drop But a survey conducted by Democratic pollster Celinda Lake and Republican Ed Goeas for U.S. News and World Report showed that just 36 percent of Americans approve of him as a person and 50 percent disapprove. His approval as a person is down 6 percentage points from last December, before detailed allegations were aired about alleged sexual relations with Lewinsky and what Willey says was an unwanted sexual contact with her just outside the Oval Office. But among Democratic women, Clinton suffered a much steeper decline of 19 percentage points. A Newsweek poll released Saturday found that 43 percent of those surveyed said should leave office if Willeys accusations are true and Clinton lied about it under oath. But 31 percent said he should be able to stay in office if he apologizes to the American people and 18 percent volunteered that no apology would be necessary. A CNN/Time poll, which was conducted three days after Willeys nationally televised charges March 15, indicated that half of Americans (52 percent) believe Clinton has engaged in a pattern of sexual misconduct. Public Split Over Willey Respondents were split over whether to believe Willey and nearly half (48 percent) said she went public with her story for monetary gain. One disputed aspect of Willeys storythat she confided details of the 1993 alleged encounter with Clinton to her friend, Julie Hiatt Steele, right after it happenedwas corroborated Saturday by Richmond, Va., television producer Bill Poveromo. In an affidavit that Clintons lawyers have used to undercut Willeys credibility, Steele swore that Mrs. Willey never mentioned the incident when it happened and later asked Steele to lie and say that she was told in 1993 about Clintons alleged unwanted pass. Poveromo, who works for WWBT-TV, told The Associated Press that Steele, his friend of several years, confided in him over dinner at her home last April that the president had groped Kathy (Willey) and that Julie did know about it right after it happened. Steele later changed her story in the affidavit and in press reports because she freaked and panicked, Poveromo said. Nancy Luque, Steeles Washington attorney, said: She absolutely stands by her affidavit. She did not tell Poveromo that the Clinton-Willey encounter occurred because she didnt ever believe that it had. Newsweeks March 19-20 telephone survey of 750 adults had a 4-percentage point margin of error. The CNN/Time poll, conducted March 18-19 among 1,032 adult Americans claims a 3-point sampling error. Pollsters for U.S. News questioned 1,005 registered voters March 17-19 and also claimed a margin of error of 3 percentage points. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Any ideas or help would be appreciated
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone: Dr. L. and I have been working on something and would appreciate any help or ideas anyone might have. First off I will repost the orginal story so you will know what I am talking about :) A law that makes it a felony for one parent to beat another does not apply to the beating of a pregnant woman by the father of the fetus, a state appeals court said. The ruling disappointed Riverside County prosecutors, who are discussing whether to appeal the case to the state Supreme Court, said Deputy District Attorney Colleen Mass. "Other rulings have given broad interpretations to the laws about spousal abuse," Mass said. The ruling by the 4th District Court of Appeals stems from the prosecution of Branson S. Ward, who was charged with assaulting Thea Airrington, his former girlfriend, in her Riverside apartment in March 1996. Airrington, who broke up with Ward the previous month, was 3 1/2 months pregnant at the time of the attack. Ward grabbed her arms, pushed her down, grabbed her by the hair and slammed her head into a closet door, slapped her and squeezed her neck, the court said. Prosecutors said the two still were seeing each other, though not living together. Ward was convicted of two felonies, aggravated assault and battery on the mother of his child, and sentenced to six years in prison. The sentence was double the usual term because Ward had a previous violent felony conviction and was covered by the three-strikes law. As drafted, the law used to prosecute Ward imposed felony penalties of up to four years in prison for beatings that would normally be misdemeanors, punishable by up to a year in jail, if the victim was the attacker's spouse of cohabitant. It was expanded in 1988 to include the beating of "the mother or father of (the attacker's) child." That amendment was used it the prosecution of Ward. Superior Court Judge W. Charles Morgan ruled that the parental violence law covered the beating of a pregnant woman. The appeals court, in overturning his ruling, said the law defines "mother" in a way that makes "the birth of a child...an essential prerequisite." The same law does not define "child" but other laws, prohibiting child abuse and neglect, have been interpreted to apply only to children after birth, said Justice Art McKinster in the 3-0 ruling. Mass, though, said murder statutes have provisions that allow someone to be charged in the death of a fetus. McKinster also rejected the state's argument that the law was intended to apply to all types of domestic violence, and said it was up to the Legislature to make that change. The attorney general's office may propose such a change, although it has not ruled out an appeal, said Deputy Attorney General Lilia Garcia, the state's lawyer. "We believe that a family relationship between the expectant mother and the batterer continues during the pregnancy, and she should be entitled to protection," Garcia said. Despite the ruling, Ward's prison sentence will not be reduced because it was legally based on the assault conviction, Garcia said. Diane Nicoles, Ward's lawyer, could not be reached for comment. Now here is what we are working on. I found a state law which may overturn this. It is: CALIFORNIA CODES CIVIL CODE SECTION 43-53 43. Besides the personal rights mentioned or recognized in the Government Code, every person has, subject to the qualifications and restrictions provided by law, the right of protection from bodily restraint or harm, from personal insult, from defamation, and from injury to his personal relations. 43.1. A child conceived, but not yet born, is deemed an existing person, so far as necessary for the child's interests in the event of the child's subsequent birth. Dr. L. and I would appreciate anything that anyone can contribute to our little project. We also have the court ruling if anyone would like to see it. Thanks Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI game site
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you go to http://play.yahoo.com/ there are all kinds of games to play. Play Java-based games on Yahoo! with people all across the Internet. All games are FREE and require NO extra plug-ins. Board Games: Backgammon (310) Checkers (312) Chess (621) Go (33) Reversi (50) Card Games: Bridge (180) Cribbage (177) Euchre (316) Gin (115) Hearts (325) Poker (327) Sheepshead (28) Spades (403) -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Monday's Jokes
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IRS letter: Editor's Note: Sometimes a story comes to our attention that needs no polishing or enhancement to make it a good Block tax story. This is one of those. It is a real letter submitted to the IRS in the midst of last year's weird and bizarre denial of dependents, exemptions, and credits. We believe the letter speaks for itself. Dear Sirs: I am responding to your letter denying the deduction for two of the three dependents I claimed on my 1994 Federal Tax return. Thank you. I have questioned whether these are my children or not for years. They are evil expensive. It's only fair that since they are minors and not my responsibility that the government (who evidently is taxing me more to care for these waifs) knows something about them and what to expect over the next year. You may apply next year to reassign them to me and reinstate the deduction. This year they are yours! The oldest, Kristen, is now 17. She is brilliant. Ask her! I suggest you put her to work in your office where she can answer people's questions about their returns. While she has no formal training, it has not seemed to hamper her knowledge of any other subject you can name; taxes should be a breeze. Next year she is going to college. I think it's wonderful that you will now be responsible for that little expense. While you mull that over keep in mind that she has a truck. It doesn't run at the moment so you have the immediate decision of appropriating some Department of Defense funds to fix the vehicle or getting up early to drive her to school. Kristen also has a boyfriend. Oh joy. While she possesses all of the wisdom of the universe, her alleged mother and I have felt it best to occasionally remind her of the virtues of abstinence, and in the face of overwhelming passion, safe sex. This is always uncomfortable and I am quite relieved you will be handling this in the future. May I suggest that you reinstate Joycelyn Elders, who had a rather good handle on the problem. Patrick is 14. I've had my suspicions about this one. His eyes are a little close together for normal people. He may be a tax examiner himself one day if you do not incarcerate him first. In February I was awakened at three in the morning by a police officer who was bringing Pat home. He and his friends were TP'ing houses. In the future would you like him delivered to the local IRS office or to Ogden, UT? Kids at 14 will do almost anything on a dare. His hair is purple. Permanent dye, temporary dye, what's the big deal? Learn to deal with it. You'll have plenty of time as he is sitting out a few days of school after instigating a food fight. I'll take care of filing your phone number with the vice principal. Oh yes, he and all of his friends have raging hormones. This is the house of testosterone and it will be much more peaceful when he lives in your home. DO NOT leave any of them unsupervised with girls, explosives, inflammables, inflatables, vehicles, or telephones. (I'm sure that you will find telephones a source of unimaginable amusement, and be sure to lock out the 900 and 976 numbers!) Heather is an alien. She slid through a time warp and appeared quite by magic one year. I'm sure this one is yours. She is 10 going on 21. She came from a bad trip in the sixties. She wears tie-dyed clothes, beads, sandals, and hair that looks like Tiny Tim's. Fortunately you will be raising my taxes to help offset the pinch of her remedial reading courses. Hooked On Phonics is expensive so the schools dropped it. Good news! You can buy it yourself for half the amount of the deduction that you are denying! It's quite obvious that we were terrible parents (ask the other two) so they have helped raise this one to a new level of terror. She cannot speak English. Most people under twenty understand the curious patois she fashioned out of valley girls/boyz in the hood/reggae/yuppie/political doublespeak. I don't. The school sends her to a speech pathologist who has her roll her R's. It added a refreshing Mexican/Irish touch to her voice. She wears hats backwards, pants baggy and wants one of her ears pierced four more times. There is a fascination with tattoos that worries me but I am sure that you can handle it. Bring a truck when you come to get her, as she sort of "nests" in her room and I think that it would be easier to move the entire thing than find out what it is really made of. You denied two of the three exemptions so it is only fair you get to pick which two you will take. I prefer that you take the youngest, I still go bankrupt with Kristen's college but then I am free! If you take the two oldest then I still have time for counseling before Heather becomes a teenager. If you take the two girls then I won't feel so bad about putting Patrick in a military academy. Please let me know of your decisi
Re: LI Supreme Court-Polygraphs/additional info
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I lost the actual decision when I sent the original. :( So I added it on here. Sue Hi Terry: I thought that this one would interest you. Sue UNITED STATES v. SCHEFFER No. 96-1133 -- Argued November 3, 1997 -- Decided March 31, 1998 44 M.J. 442, reversed. http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/96-1133.cpanel.html = A polygraph examination of respondent airman indicated, in the opinion of the Air Force examiner administering the test, that there was "no deception" in respondent's denial that he had used drugs since enlisting. Urinalysis, however, revealed the presence of methamphetamine, and respondent was tried by general court- martial for using that drug and for other offenses. In denying his motion to introduce the polygraph evidence to support his testimony that he did not knowingly use drugs, the military judge relied on Military Rule of Evidence 707, which makes polygraph evidence inadmissible in court-martial proceedings. Respondent was convicted on all counts, and the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals affirmed. The Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces reversed, holding that a per se exclusion of polygraph evidence offered by an accused to support his credibility violates his Sixth Amendment right to present a defense. Held: The judgment is reversed. 44 M.J. 442, reversed. JUSTICE THOMAS delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II-A, and II-D, concluding that Military Rule of Evidence 707 does not unconstitutionally abridge the right of accused members of the military to present a defense. Pp. 4-9, 11-14. (a) A defendant's right to present relevant evidence is subject to reasonable restrictions to accommodate other legitimate interests in the criminal trial process. See, e.g., Rock v. Arkansas, 483 U.S. 44, 55. State and federal rulemakers therefore have broad latitude under the Constitution to establish rules excluding evidence. Such rules do not abridge an accused's right to present a defense so long as they are not "arbitrary" or "disproportionate to the purposes they are designed to serve." E.g., id., at 56 . This Court has found the exclusion of evidence to be unconstitutionally arbitrary or disproportionate only where it has infringed upon a weighty interest of the accused. See, e.g., id., at 58. Rule 707 serves the legitimate interest of ensuring that only reliable evidence is introduced. There is simply no consensus that polygraph evidence is reliable: The scientific community and the state and federal courts are extremely polarized on the matter. Pp. 4-9. (b) Rule 707 does not implicate a sufficiently weighty interest of the accused to raise a constitutional concern under this Court's precedents. The three cases principally relied upon by the Court of Appeals, Rock, supra, at 57, Washington v. Texas, 388 U.S. 14, 23, and Chambers v. Mississippi, 410 U.S. 284, 302-303, do not support a right to introduce polygraph evidence, even in very narrow circumstances. The exclusions of evidence there declared unconstitutional significantly undermined fundamental elements of the accused's defense. Such is not the case here, where the court members heard all the relevant details of the charged offense from respondent's perspective, and Rule 707 did not preclude him from introducing any factual evidence, but merely barred him from introducing expert opinion testimony to bolster his own credibility. Moreover, in contrast to the rule at issue in Rock, supra, at 52, Rule 707 did not prohibit respondent from testifying on his own behalf; he freely exercised his choice to convey his version of the facts at trial. Pp. 11-14. THOMAS, J., announced the judgment of the Court and delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II-A, and II-D, in which REHNQUIST, C.J., and O'CONNOR, SCALIA, KENNEDY, SOUTER, GINSBURG, and BREYER, JJ., joined, and an opinion with respect to Parts II-B and II- C, in which REHNQUIST, C.J., and SCALIA and SOUTER, JJ., joined. KENNEDY, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and concurring in the judgment, in which O'CONNOR, GINSBURG, and BREYER, JJ., joined. STEVENS, J., filed a dissenting opinion. Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI p/Dr.L.
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found another one. :) http://www.alllaw.com/index.html Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Starr Investigation Cost Tops $35M
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Starr Investigation Cost Tops $35M WASHINGTON (AP) -- The four-year Whitewater investigation had cost taxpayers $35 million by the end of September, an audit of the independent counsel's expenses shows. The General Accounting Office audit shows spending by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr of President Clinton's Whitewater dealings was the most expensive among six independent counsel probes that cost nearly $8 million in the six months ended Sept. 30. Starr has spent more than $29 million and his predecessor, Whitewater special prosecutor Robert Fiske, about $6 million. Starr appears on track to surpass the biggest-spending independent counsel of all, Lawrence Walsh, who ran up a $40 million bill investigating the Iran-Contra arms and money case during the Reagan administration. Starr racked up $3.4 million for salaries, travel, rent and other expenses from March through September. FBI agents working with Starr cost another $485,927 and the Internal Revenue Service spent $67,063 helping him, the GAO found. In January, Starr's probe was expanded to include the Monica Lewinsky matter, pushing the investigation into high gear. Dozens of witnesses have been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury, including one from Japan. The next six-month report on independent counsel expenses will be issued in September. Donald C. Smaltz, independent counsel investigating former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, spent $2.5 million from March through September, the GAO said. Espy is charged with accepting $35,000 in sports tickets, travel and lodging from Arkansas-based Tyson Foods Inc. and other companies regulated by the Agriculture Department. Smaltz's probe has led to more than $10.5 million in fines and costs against companies involved in the Espy gifts, including $6 million assessed against Tyson Foods for some $12,000 in gratuities. In addition, seven people, five corporations and one law firm have been convicted. Independent Counsel David M. Barrett's probe of allegations that Henry Cisneros, the former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, lied to the FBI about payments to a former mistress cost $1.6 million during the six-month period, including FBI costs, the GAO said. Cisneros' trial is set for Nov. 4. A short-lived probe of another former Clinton White House official lasted seven months and cost $196,038, the GAO reported. Independent Counsel Curtis E. Von Kann cleared Eli J. Segal of conflict-of-interest allegations for fund raising for a private group while he headed the AmeriCorps national service program. An investigation by Independent Counsel Daniel S. Pearson of the financial dealings of former Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, who died in a plane crash during a trade mission to Bosnia, had $10,372 in expenses, GAO said. An independent counsel investigation of Reagan administration-era corruption at the Department of Housing and Urban Development racked up $532,360 in expenses in the same six-month period, GAO said. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Jones case thrown out
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Judge is throwing out the entire Paula Jones case according to CBS Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Jones Case Dismissed
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ABCNEWS.com April 1 A federal judge has tossed out Paula Jones sexual harassment case against President Clinton. Judge Susan Webber Wright in Little Rock, Ark., has decided in favor of President Clinton's motion to dismiss the case for lack of evidence. Paula Jones' ;lawyers have been told by the court that the entirety of their case has been thrown out. Jones is suing Clinton for $700,000 in damages. She alleges that Clinton, as governor of Arkansas, had a state trooper summon her to a hotel room, where he exposed himself and asked for oral sex. Clinton denies the allegations. The trial had been scheduled to begin on May 27. Jones' lawyers have said they plan to appeal the ruling. Legal teams for Clinton, Jones and Monica Lewinsky are also awaiting two other important rulings. U.S. District Judge Norma Holloway Johnson will decide whether Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr must stand by a purported deal to give Lewinsky immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. Starrs office says the deal was never finalized. For the past 10 weeks, Starrs grand jury has been investigating allegations that Clinton carried on an illicit affair with the former intern and pressured her to lie about it. Lewinsky Evidence Sought Finally, Jones lawyers have filed an appeal with the 8th U.S, Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis to fight a January ruling by Judge Wright to bar information about Lewinsky from their sexual harassment case. In an attempt to have the decision thrown out, they insisted, the district court sacrificed vital evidence on the altar of unverified presidential convenience. To alleviate concerns that allowing Lewinsky-related material into the case could interfere with Kenneth Starrs criminal investigation, Jones attorneys have offered to postpone the trial. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Important Notice
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To: All Internet Users From: Kim Dereksen Interconnected Network Maintenance staff Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Subject: Internet Cleaning PLEASE PASS THIS NOTICE TO OTHER USERS WHO MAY NOT SEE IT! As many of you know, each year the Internet must be shut down for 24 hours in order to allow us to clean it. The cleaning process, which eliminates dead e-mail and inactive ftp, www and gopher sites, allows for a better-working and faster Internet. This year, the cleaning process will take place from 12:01 a.m. GMT on April 1 until 12:01 a.m. GMT on April 2. During that 24-hour period, five very powerful Japanese built multi-lingual Internet-crawling robots (Toshiba ML-2274) situated around the world will search the Internet and delete any data that they find. In order to protect your valuable data from deletion we ask that you do the following: 1. Disconnect all terminals and local area networks from their Internet connections. 2. Shut down all Internet servers, or disconnect them from the Internet. 3. Disconnect all disks and hard drives from any connections to the Internet. 4. Refrain from connecting any computer to the Internet in any way. 5. Avoid placing operating microwave ovens or toaster/toaster ovens near your computer modem. 6. Avoid wearing nylon (or other dielectric fiber) undergarments because of the possibility of electrical discharge. We understand the inconvenience that this may cause some Internet users, and we apologize. However, we are certain that any inconvenience will be more than made up for by the increased speed and efficiency of the Internet, once it has been cleared of electronic flotsam and jetsam. We thank you for your cooperation. Kim Dereksen Interconnected Network Maintenance staff Main branch, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sysops and others: Since the last Internet cleaning, the number of Internet users has grown dramatically. Please assist us in alerting the public of the upcoming Internet cleaning by posting this message where your users will be able to read it. Please pass this message on to other sysops and Internet users as well. Thank you. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Police Reopen Infant's Death Case
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: I think that there was a tv movie about the book that you are talking about. In fact when I first read this I thought it was the same story. Sue This reminds me of a true crime book I read. It was one of the few true crime books I almost didn't finish due to the actions of the mother. The only reason I did finish it was due to the fact I was at a management training course and that was the only reading material I had brought with me. The women had the same thing 6 of her kids died from SIDS, supposedly, on the sixth one the police finally decided to do a in-depth investigation, it was discovered she murdered each child, except for the first one, that was was actually a real accident, and that child's death was the only one she really became emotional about, the police theory was that death triggered her killing the other children. Her first child that was a accident had fallen off the back step and suffered a fatal head injury, of course there was a lot of out pouring from the community and such, after that each baby she had died by the time it was six weeks old of SIDS, when they went back and checked the bodies again it was discovered she had actually smothered her other children. She was a classic case of Munchausen by proxy. She liked the attention she got when she had a baby and couldn't handle the attention disappearing after the newness wore off, so she would smother the babies, and get the attention back. Oh another one of the tip offs that started people talking is one of the children was adopted that died. This case sounds just like it, except it seems they had as a motive insurance money. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jones Case Dismissed
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Susan has been on the LA channels all evening, and she is not a happy camper to say the least. She says she is getting together with Paula's attorneys and they are going to appeal. The media is camped out in front of Paula's condo (she is home) waiting for her to come out and make a comment, but so far she hasn't. Sue Hi Sue, ROTFI bet a lot of people think this is an April Fool's joke. You watch those right wingers drop ol' Paula Jones like a hot potato now. The Rutherford Institute wasted a lot of money on this one. I guess Bennett was right all along. I'd like to have seen Susan Carpenter McMillan's face when she got the news. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Police Reopen Infant's Death Case
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: I know what you mean. :( It really wasn't that good a movie either. Sue Hmm that would be interesting that they made a movie out of it. Yet the book I found sickening, but I've always had a problem with people who kill kids. It's not something I can stomach. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Jones' Case Judge All Business
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jones' Case Judge All Business LITTLE ROCK (AP) -- The judge who dismissed a sexual harassment lawsuit Wednesday against President Clinton once took a law school class under his tutelage and then campaigned against him in his first political race. It goes to show that when dealing with law and politics, Susan Webber Wright is all business, say her friends and legal associates. ``She's very businesslike. She follows the rules. She follows the law,'' said U.S. Attorney Paula Casey, a Clinton appointee who has known Wright for nearly 20 years and once taught with her at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock. Wright said in a 39-page ruling Wednesday that ``there are no genuine issues'' under the law to justify Paula Jones' civil lawsuit against Clinton -- and so canceled a trial set for May 27. The ruling was done in characteristic Wright fashion, said a former colleague. ``She's careful and methodical,'' said professor John DiPippa, whose office abutted Wright's at the Arkansas' law school. ``I call her a conventional legal thinker. She looks at facts and then she looks at the law and she decides whether they are sufficient under the law.'' DiPippa said he also had come to the conclusion that Mrs. Jones' case lacked merit. Wright's ruling surprised at least one attorney familiar with her, Bobby McDaniel, who had argued unsuccessfully before Wright against citing the Clinton's one-time business partner, Susan McDougal, with contempt for not testifying before the Whitewater grand jury. ``It's pure speculation on my part, but I am sure that there is probably a measure of satisfaction that Judge Wright is feeling tonight for all of those who called her a Republican hack when she was ruling against Susan McDougal,'' McDaniel said. Wright, appointed to the bench in 1990 by President Bush, headed a local organization of lawyers supporting Bush's 1988 presidential campaign. Her judicial appointment was sponsored by Republican Rep. John Paul Hammerschmidt, whom she campaigned for in 1974 in his race against an upstart politician, Bill Clinton. Hammerschmidt won. The campaign came shortly after Wright completed a course in admiralty law taught by Clinton at the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville. Clinton lost some of the final exams, including Wright's, and she reportedly argued to take the test again. She got an ``A.'' Later as a law professor herself, Wright taught property law, agency and partnership law, and other traditional law courses. She served for a while as an associate dean, after rising through the ranks from her beginning in a closet-sized office. ``Her office was neat as a pin,'' said DiPippa, who talked with Wright daily. ``You would describe her as serious most of the time. She wasn't the backslapping type of person, but certainly appreciated a joke when one was told, probably not telling them herself.'' Wright's husband, Robert R. Wright, also is a professor at the university. He drew attention earlier this year when he said he has made suggestions, but not helped, his wife make decisions in Mrs. Jones' case. As Mrs. Jones' was attracting greater and greater media attention. Wright at one point requested an armed escort to her car in the evenings and barred reporters from congregating outside her office on the third floor of the federal courthouse. ``She wants to be friendly with lawyers and litigants. She wants to be perceived as someone who's not dictatorial,'' said McDaniel, who currently has a medical malpractice case pending before Wright. ``But when it comes time to make a decision, she may wrestle with it until she reaches it, but then it's there.'' Banker Herby Branscum Jr., whose Whitewater-related trial before Wright ended in a mix of acquittals and non-verdicts, remembered Wright most for the way she moved the proceedings along. ``It stayed on schedule, and I thought she tried to handle it rather businesslike,'' Branscum said. ``She was determined to do what she thought was right.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything
LI Paula Jones 'Shocked' By Ruling
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paula Jones 'Shocked' By Ruling LONG BEACH, Calif. (AP) -- Paula Corbin Jones dared to take the president to court -- a decision that made her a household name across America. On Wednesday, she was described as disappointed that her case had been thrown out of court but respectful of the judge who did it. ``The one that paid dearly for this is a great heroic woman -- Paula Corbin Jones -- who, for four years, has endured the filth and the slime and attacks of the White House,'' said her spokeswoman, Susan Carpenter McMillan. Following Wednesday's ruling that threw out her lawsuit, Mrs. Jones remained in the gated apartment she has occupied for the past three years with her husband, Stephen Jones, and their children. ``Paula was shocked,'' said Carpenter McMillan. ``She's disappointed. We have a lot of respect for Judge Wright. We just strongly disagree.'' One of Mrs. Jones' lawyers, John Whitehead, said she ``has not indicated that she regrets anything except not getting her day in court.'' Mrs. Jones shocked the nation in February of 1994 when she announced at a press conference in Washington that Clinton had made sexual advances to her in a hotel room on May 8, 1991, when he was Arkansas governor. A few months later, the former state worker filed her civil suit in U.S. District Court in Little Rock, seeking $700,000 in damages for ``willful, outrageous and malicious conduct.'' Mrs. Jones was born on Sept. 17, 1966, in Lonoke, Ark., the third daughter of an evangelical minister and his wife. Since word of her allegations surfaced, Mrs. Jones' case distracted a nation with a lawsuit that opened the door for further questioning of women in Clinton's past. But Mrs. Jones also paid a price for being in the public spotlight. She was ridiculed by the media. She was called a puppet of right-wingers, and she became the butt of jokes during late-night talk shows. The president's attorneys poked through every crevice of her life, calling her story ``tabloid trash.'' Topless pictures of her, taken by an ex-boyfriend, were printed with a Penthouse magazine article that accused her of being promiscuous before getting married. The trial had been scheduled to begin May 27 until U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright dismissed the case, saying Mrs. Jones' evidence fell ``far short'' of proving sexual harassment. At an impromptu news conference in front of Mrs. Jones' Long Beach harbor apartment complex, Carpenter McMillan told reporters that she would consult with Mrs. Jones' attorneys to determine whether any part of the judge's decision could be appealed. ``We had to go all the way to the Supreme Court just to make sure we got it tried,'' Carpenter McMillan said. ``We'll more than likely be back before the Supreme Court again.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Thursday Jokes
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JUDGE JUDY FOR INDEPENDENT COUNSEL OF ZIPPERGATE !!!
Someone mistakenly leaves the cages open in the reptile
house at the Bronx Zoo and there are snakes slithering all over
the place.
Frantically, the keeper tries everything, but he cant get them
back in their cages. Finally he says, Quick, call a lawyer!
A lawyer? Why??
We need someone who speaks their langauge!
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The Top 16 Ways to Celebrate Spring Internationally
16 RUSSIA: Get off the mile-long line for firewood; get in the
mile-long line for umbrellas.
15 HOLLAND: Annual Easter Clog Toss ("Watch out, Hans!")
14 VATICAN CITY: The Pope presides over the ceremonial casting
out the first sinner.
13 ISRAEL: Throw cute little stuffed animals filled with rocks
at the Palestinians.
12 LIECHTENSTEIN: Send annual "we're still a country" notification
to the U.N.
11 CHERNOBYL: Night Parade Of the Glow-In-The-Dark Chickens
10 JAKARTA: Child-Labor Factory #4 switches from making Kathie Lee
scarves to Nike running shoes.
9 TEHRAN: Can now attend "Death to America" rally in shorts.
8 BAGHDAD: Before inspectors begin their hunt, replace anthrax
eggs with slightly less nauseating Cadbury eggs.
7 PRAGUE: Tank tops (with real tanks).
6 TOKYO: Godzilla turns his fancy from a path of destruction to
thoughts of love.
5 FRANCE: French Army stocks up on white flags at annual White
Sale.
4 ENGLAND: Leichester Larry comes out of his flat and smiles.
If any teeth are straight, 6 more weeks of rain -- otherwise,
5.5 more weeks of rain.
3 IRELAND: Swimsuit issue of "Soccer Hooligan Illustrated" hits
newsstands.
2 BOSNIA: Annual switch to "Daylight Bombing Time" requires
setting your quality of life back another decade.
and the Number 1 Way to Celebrate Spring Internationally...
1 GERMANY: Order the flowers to bloom.
The top 10 things you'll never hear a man say:
10. Here honey, you use the remote.
9. You know, I'd like to see her again,
but her breasts are just too big.
8. Ooh, Antonio Banderas AND Brad Pitt?
That's one movie I gotta see!
7. While I'm up, can I get you anything?
6. Sex isn't that important; sometimes, I just want to be held.
5. Why don't you go to the mall with me
and help me pick out a pair of shoes?
4. Aww, forget Monday night football, let's watch Melrose Place.
3. Hey let me hold your purse while you try that on.
2. We never talk anymore.
1. Yes, Dogbyte: You may date my daughter!
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The top 10 things you'll never hear a woman say:
10. What do you mean "today's our anniversary"?
9. Can we not talk to each other tonight? I'd rather just watch TV.
8. Ohh, this diamond is way too big!
7. And for our honeymoon we're going fishing in Alaska!
6. Can our relationship get a little more physical?
I'm tired of being "just friends".
5. Honey does this outfit make my butt look too small?
4. Aww, don't stop for directions,
I'm sure you'll be able to figure out how to get there.
3. Is that phone for me? Tell 'em I'm not here.
2. I don't care if it is on sale,
300 dollars is too much for a designer dress.
1. Hey, pull my finger!
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TOP ELEVEN DOG AND CAT CHARACTERISTICS
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11. Dogs come when you call them. Cats take a message and get back to
you.
10. Dogs look much better at the end of a leash.
9. Dogs will let you give them a bath without taking out a contract on
your life.
8. Dogs will bark to wake you up if the house is on fire. Cats will
quietly sneak out the back door.
7. Dogs will bring you your slippers or the evening newspaper. Cats
might bring you a dead mouse.
6. Dogs will play Frisbee with you all afternoon. Cats will take a
three-hour nap.
5. Dogs will sit on the car seat next to you. Cats have to have their
own private box or they will not go at all.
4. Dogs will greet you and lick your face when you come home from work.
Cats will be mad that you went to work at all.
3. Dogs will sit, lie down, and heel on command. Cats will smirk and
walk away.
2. Dogs will tilt their heads and listen whenever you talk. Cats will
yawn and close their eyes.
1. Dogs will give you unconditional love forever. Cats will make you pay
for every mistake you've ever made since the day you were born.
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Top 10 Benefits From a White House Internship:
10. First-hand knowledge of domestic affairs
9. Pay is lousy, but the hush money is great
8. Gives new meaning to MTV slogan ``Rock the Vote''
7. Observe the President's commitment to young
people first
LI Thursday's Jokes
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Top 15 Differences if the Special Prosecutor were RINGO Starr 15 All charges dropped after grand jury concludes, "She loves you, and you know that can't be bad." 14 Courthouse overflowing with shrieking 50-something women with heavy eyeliner and cat glasses. 13 Finally, someone the President can share a bong with. 12 Years on the case and $40 million down the drain, and he still can't prove whether Paul is dead. 11 He gets by with a little help from his sleazeball scum-sucking ambulance-chasing lawyer friends. 10 Calling for order involves an elaborate "gavel solo." 9 If you play Linda Tripp's tapes backwards, you hear, "I buried Vince Foster." 8 Pete Best shows up on every Sunday morning talk show whining about how he could do a better job. 7 Nobody seems to want to listen to the secret recordings made by Yoko. 6 Hillary dismisses the accusations as part of a "vast Blue Meanie conspiracy." 5 Sexual harassment and adultery: Who cares? Playing Fleetwood Mac at Democratic convention: Impeach him! 4 Linda Tripp suddenly ceases to be the butt-ugliest person involved in the scandal. 3 Ringo Starr: "Ludwig" refers to brand of drums. Ken Starr: "Ludwig" refers to business trip to Berlin a few years ago, the memory of which causes frequent nightmares about his *own* past being investigated. 2 Giggles uncontrollably whenever he hears Kathleen Willey's last name. and the Number 1 Difference if the Special Prosecutor were RINGO Starr... 1 No difference whatsoever -- They're both trying to get the public to buy tapes that suck. -- V A R I A T I O N S O N M U R P H Y ' S L A W 1. The Law of Common Sense Never accept a drink from a urologist. 2. The Law of Reality Never get into fights with ugly people, they have nothing to lose. 3. The Law of Self Sacrifice When you starve with a tiger, the tiger starves last. 4. The Law of Volunteering If you dance with a grizzly bear, you had better let him lead. 5. The Law of Avoiding Oversell When putting cheese in a mousetrap, always leave room for the mouse. 6. The Law of Motivation Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster. 7. Boob's Law You always find something in the last place you look. 8. Weiler's Law Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. 9. Law of Probable Dispersal Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. 10. Law of Volunteer Labour People are always available for work in the past tense. 11. Conway's Law In any organisation there is one person who knows what is going on. That person must be fired. 12. Iron Law of Distribution Them that has, gets. 13. Law of Cybernetic Entomology There is always one more bug. 14. Law of Drunkenness You can't fall off the floor. 15. Heller's Law The first myth of management is that it exists. 16. Osborne's Law Variables won't; constants aren't. 17. Main's Law For every action there is an equal and opposite government programme. 18. Weinberg's Second Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programmes, then the first woodpecker that came along would have destroyed civilisation. --- A Brooklyn lawyer named Ernie successfully defends a major crime lord from charges of dealing drugs, racketeering, murder, kidnapping, and selling arms. As he is leaving the courtroom, an indignant old woman grabs him by the arm. "Young man, where are your scruples? Isnt there anyone too low for you to defend?" "I dont know," Ernie says, "What have you done?" --- Two cannibals catch a victim, and agree to share. They start to "chow down" and the first turns to the second. "Hey, how you doing?" "Man, I'm having a ball!" "Slow down! You're eating too fast!" -- Twin brothers were named Joe and John, Joe was the owner of an old dilapidated boat. It happened that John's wife died the same day that Joe's boat sank. A few days later a kindly old lady met Joe on the street mistaking him for John, she said to him, "I'm sorry for your loss, you must feel terrible". Joe said, "Oh hell no, face is I'm sort of glad to be rid of her. She was a rotten old thing from the beginning, her bottom was all shrivelled up and she smelled like dead fish. She was always losing water, had a bad crack in the back and a pretty big hole in the front which got bigger every time I used her. She leaked like crazy and it was difficult to keep her upright. But what really finished her off was when four tough guys rented her for a good time. I warned them that she wasn't any good, but they all wanted to have a go with her anyhow. The damn fools all tried
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: The law here is that if you own a gun and a kid gets a hold of that gun and either hurts himself or someone else with it, you are held liable. But if your gun is stolen, I don't think that they hold you liable for any crimes that are committed with it. I don't see how they could unless may it would be because you may have had that gun illegally, such as not registered or something. Or maybe not reported it stolen. Sue Hi Jackie, Yeah, we have people getting injured and killed via gunshots down here and it always seems to be someone who would never touch the gun or who had gone through such an intensive training and safety course that they'd never have an accident. Then we have those brilliant people who don't lock up their guns and manage to get them stolen. There's a Catch 22 for you. How can you protect yourself with a gun if you have to keep it locked up? G A senator from Illinois is presenting a bill that would create a law to punish gun owners whose guns are stolen and then used in a crime, or whose guns are involved in an accidental shooting. Of course, the NRA opposes this. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Biased Judge Forgives Clinton
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: They were talking last night about how these kids would only spend x number of years in custody, and then they would be released as well as their records sealed. Their faces have been on Newsweek, Time, etc. There is absolutely no secret of who they are. The prior record of the one boy has been discussed in detail on many of the news shows, and the parents and grandparents are making the rounds of the morning talk shows. I don't know how any of this was made public in the beginning, but everyone from the grandfather on down are now discussing it quite openly with anyone who will listen. Sue Hi Bill What a novel idea, work to get the law changed VBG. I agree with you, but then working to change a law may not be as much fun as sitting and bad mouthing a judge that doesn't do what you consider to be right. Another topic: Had to share this with you. Didn't get a chance to post it early this morning. It appears that we have a local controversy regarding whether the making public of preadjudication records of a juvenile are against the law. The judge was on this morning discussing this because of the release of juvenile records to the local tv station that they traced to Mitchell, the 13 year old in Arkansas. I was sort of waiting for this to happen as this has been discussed among some of us since the story broke on tv. Don't know if any other area has heard about this. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Supreme Court-Polygraphs/additional info
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I heard some of the people who live there say that children and guns go together in that part of the country, and that it is not in the least bit unusual to see 4-5-6 year olds out "hunting" with their parents. I would think if this is the case that the children are so accustomed to having guns around them that this in itself would not be the big factor in why this happened. There are children coming forward saying that the older boy was a bully, and he had threatened to kill kids before this happened. In fact one of the kids said that the boy told him he was going to shoot some of the kids. Sounds like a lot of pent up anger and hostility to me. Sue Hi Bill The tornado at St Peter edged out any news on the 13 year old in our wonderful paper. But, yesterday Tom (the one that was the police chief in Grand Meadow) and I talked to the county sheriff and it sounds like the child has not had an easy time. But, it still shouldn't have caused him to kill others. I do know that guns were left lying around the house when he lived up here and the mother was not worried as she said the kids knew about guns and what they go do. She also said that they wouldn't touch the guns. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Friday's Jokes
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Squawks" are problem listings that military pilots generally leave for maintenance crews, and are normally accompanied by a response from the maintenance worker. From the "Squawk Sheets": Problem: "Left inside main tire almost needs replacement." Solution: "Almost replaced left inside main tire." Problem: "Test flight OK, except autoland very rough." Solution: "Autoland not installed on this aircraft." Problem #1: "#2 Propeller seeping prop fluid." Solution #2: "#2 Propeller seepage normal." Problem #2: "#1,#3 and #4 propellers lack normal seepage." Problem: "The autopilot doesn't." Solution: "IT DOES NOW" Problem: "Something loose in cockpit." Solution: "Something tightened in cockpit" Problem: "Evidence of hydraulic leak on right main landing gear." Solution: "Evidence removed." Problem: "Number three engine missing" Solution: "Engine found on right wing after brief search." Problem: "DME volume unbelievably loud" Solution: "Volume set to more believable level." Problem: "Dead bugs on windshield." Solution: "Live bugs on order." Problem: "Autopilot in altitude hold mode produces a 200 fpm descent." Solution: "Cannot reproduce problem on ground." Problem: "IFF inoperative." Solution: "IFF inoperative in OFF mode." Problem: "Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick." Solution: "That's what they're there for." - Three girl friends were flying together on a vacation. A jewish girl, an italian girl, and an afro american. The plane encountered mechanical difficulties and had to crash land in a very dense swamp area. As fate would have it , they wound up together laying in a heap but otherwise unhurt. After getting over the initial shock of the event they tried to figure out what to do to facilitate their rescue. The three friends thought for a while, then the jewish lady rolled up the sleeves of her dress , revealing an extensive collection of gold bracelets . When they see these shining in the sun, i'll be spotted and rescued first. Oh yea said the italian girl as she took of her blouse and bra, revealing a pair of 40 DD hooters when the rescue team see's these, i'll get all the attention. A dramatic pause ensued, then the afro american proceeded to remove her skirt and panties. What did you do that for the other two askked? Don't you all know she said, when theres a crash like this the first thing they look for is the "Black Box" - Sherry or Port ... A wealthy playboy met a beautiful young girl in an exclusive lounge. He took her to his lavish apartment where he soon discovered she was not a tramp, but was well groomed and apparently very intelligent. Hoping to get her into bed; he began showing her his collection of expensive paintings, first editions by famous authors and offered her a glass of wine. He asked whether she preferred Port or Sherry and she said, "Oh, Sherry by all means. To me it's the nectar of the gods. Just looking at it in a crystal-clear decanter fills me with a glorious sense of anticipation. When the stopper is removed and the gorgeous liquid is poured into my glass, I inhale the enchanting aroma and I'm lifted on the wings of ecstasy. It seems as though I'm about to drink a magic potion and my whole being begins to glow. The sound of a thousand violins being softly played fills my ears and I'm transported into another world. On the other hand, Port makes me fart." -- Airplanes That Run On Operating Systems, Not Jet Fuel Here's some descriptions of airplanes run by various operating systems: DOS: Everybody pushes it till it glides, then jumps on and lets it coast till it skids, then jumps off, pushes, jumps back on, etc. DOS with QEMM: Same as DOS, but with more leg room for pushing. Macintosh: All the flight attendants, captains and baggage handlers look the same, act the same and talk the same. Every time you ask a question, you are told you don't need to know, don't want to know and everything will be done for you without your knowing, so just shut up. OS/2: To get on board, you have to have your ticket stamped 10 different times by standing in 10 different lines. Then you fill out a form asking how you want your seating arranged--with the look and feel of an ocean liner, a passenger train or a bus. If you get on board and off the ground, you will have a wonderful trip, except when the rudder and flaps freeze, in which case you have time to say your prayers before you crash. Windows: Colorful airport terminal, friendly flight attendants, easy access to a plane, uneventful takeoff. Then: BOOM! You blow up without any warning whatsoever. NT: The termin
Re: LI Yahoo! News Technology Wired Story Page (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/t
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve: Pacbell was down a whole week because they were spammed. :( And that was the second time it happened in about three months. Pacbell isn't a fly by night company. It is the phone company for most of California, and I think part of the rest of the west coast. Sue Campaign sends tsunami at growing spam problem By James Glave SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - Computer servers across the Internet are about to creak, groan, and, in many cases, crash and burn under what may be the most colossal flood of garish advertisements ever, say anti-spam activists. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Mark Fuhrman
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: This is a waste of time, money and energy, IMO. Why not just leave the guy alone. The LAPD investigated him completely and could not find anything that would in the least bit go against him. Sue The Justice Department has reportedly decided not to prosecute former Los Angeles police detective Mark Fuhrman on charges he assaulted and mistreated minority suspects in his custody. The Los Angeles Times quotes sources at the Justice Department as saying the decision is based on a statute of limitations -- a five-year time limit that has long since expired. The allegations stemmed from 14 taped interviews in which Fuhrman told an aspiring screenwriter that there was systematic misconduct in the police department and described some of his alleged misconduct. The testimony was a key part of the sensational O.J. Simpson murder trial, where Fuhrman lied on the stand about using a racial epithet to refer to black people. The newspaper says the Justice Department will make public its ruling on Mark Fuhrman, possibly today. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI GATES IS THE $50-BILLION MAN
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wall Street's high lasted only minutes, but Bill Gates' milestone of the wild day is forever - yesterday his personal stake in Microsoft passed $50 billion. That is a stunning Wall Street record - and comes just 23 years after Gates set up the company from nothing with college buddy Paul Allen. Gates is now richer than hundreds of countries around the world. The 42-year-old chairman of Microsoft Corp. saw his fortune swell by nearly $1 billion during eight frenzied hours of trading as the Dow Jones industrial average cracked the 9,000 mark briefly. It boosted his personal wealth to $50.35 billion, easily letting Gates retain his title as the world's richest man. Microsoft, the software company he co-founded in 1975, is worth more than $220 billion. Yesterday's rise makes him richer than the entire economies of most nations, including the oil-rich states of Kuwait ($28.9 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($42.8 billion), as well as Egypt ($45.5 billion), Hungary ($42.1 billion) and Nigeria ($28.4 billion). From a Harvard dropout who started on a shoestring in a friend's garage, Gates has become the new model of the American dream, replacing Henry Ford and Andrew Carnegie. All of Gates' wealth is tied up in Microsoft stock, which has been one of Wall Street's biggest winners ever. In the last nine months, as the Dow surged 1,000 points over last summer's historic 8,000 level, Gates earned a staggering $20 billion in paper profits on his Microsoft stock. It could buy a $9 meal for every man, woman and child on the planet. Over that nine-month period, it amounts to earning an hourly wage of about $13.8 million. Investors love the nerdy rich man because he's created so many rich people with his Microsoft stock. Even scores of his employees at Microsoft have become millionaires on the stock options he awarded as bonuses in lieu of cash over the years. His stock is even stronger than the American greenback. Dollars shrink in value about 3 percent a year due to inflation, but Microsoft stock increases each year, 38 percent since January alone. While Wall Street forgives Gates almost anything, bureaucrats in Washington aren't that admiring. Federal regulators and the attorney general are probing Gates' money-making machine for possible strong-arm tactics that may have broken monopoly laws. Being rich has its price. Senators have called Gates to Capitol Hill for an unprecedented and humiliating public grilling. Even some of his biggest boosters of the past are turning against him. Just yesterday, the respected editor of Windows Magazine, former Gates booster Mike Elgan, published an angry open letter to Gates, urging him to reform his products or lose out on the race to the future. "The time has come for someone to publicly state your dirty little secret: Thanks to Microsoft's 13-year obsession with adding features, Windows has become a bloated, unwieldy product only experts can use without confusion, crashes and endless compatibility problems," Elgan said. Little seems to stop investors from pouring money into Ga
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: There is something that they have come out with that might work. It's a ring that the person shooting the gun has to wear, otherwise the gun doesn't work. I'm not sure how it works, but there are some representatives in the Ca Senate who are trying to get it to be mandatory on all guns sold in Ca. Haven't heard about it for a long time though. So it may have been shot down. Personally if they outlawed all guns my feelings wouldn't be hurt, but since that is not only an improbability, but very likely impossible, I am for any gun laws that make it even difficult for people to get them. You are right though, even if they outlawed guns they would still manage to get into the wrong hands. But by making people get them registered, running background checks, etc it does make it a little more difficult. Not impossible, but still a little difficult. Sue Hi Bill The one big problem I see with not allowing responsible people to make that choice is that if you do that, what will be the next thing outlawed. Also, once it is illegal, then the black market thrives and we start seeing many, more problems. Also, they wouldn't be licensed--I know our target guns are so that we are legal when we transport them. Even if outlawed, you will always find that people will be shot, IMO. There was an excellent program on today about a new lockup system that would keep guns away from children, I think. But you have to be a responsible person and unload, tear down, and lock them up. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, The biggest problem with the gun ownership is the large number of people who are irresponsible and shouldn't even own an air rifle. If the laws were strengthened to punish irresponsible gun owners and if these people went to jail for actions leading to death or injury via one of their guns, then perhaps we'd see some decrease in the deaths and injuries attributed to guns. But even this would cause problems because we've all see the person who had been very responsible and safety conscious make that one fatal mistake. A friend of mine was quite lucky. He had bagged a huge buck and was so excited that he dragged it to his truck, put his rifle in the case and threw it in the back of the truck along side the deer. On the way home he hit a bump and the rifle (which he failed to unload) went off. The bullet hit something and split into several pieces. He caught a few pieces in the butt. It could have been a lot worse. Bill -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: I haven't heard of blackouts with migraines either. That was my point. :) I guess it could happen, it is just that I have never heard of it. I was wondering if it could possibly have been some kind of "defense" that she was trying to make up at the time. Sort of like "I may have killed them during one of my blackouts". I do feel that most people would want to know exactly what killed their child or children, no matter how many years had passed. And if she and/or her husband are innocent of any wrong doing, I would think that they would welcome any investigation into this. Sue Hi Sue :) I agree it could be anything we just don't know yet, that is why I'm attempting to keep an open mind on this. I caught the migraine thing, I had one problem with it though, first off if you suffer migraines they have medicine you get, I'm not going to name the various medicines but the ones I was given when I had them were able to do a lot of different things, the first one you put under your tongue to stop it as soon as you felt it coming on, they also give you pain relievers to take when you feel it coming on, that will usually stop it, I also had injections that worked great, grant it I didn't like giving myself injections but that was better than going through a full scale migraine. Yes migraines are terrible and I know there were a couple of times I wished someone would shoot me due to the pain, and if they got real bad they would take me in the ER and hook you up to a IV and give you valium until things turned back to normal, but blackouts? I never had those at all, and I am wondering if that is normal, I hadn't heard of it before. Hell I would have loved to have a blackout and forget the pain, unfortunately that didn't happen. OTOH I am wondering is it possible she killed her babies when suffering migraines? Anything is possible in my mind right now. Concerning the husband, well sorry people don't forget about 8 babies dying for no reason or no explanation. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Strange tourist attractions :)
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The "most unexpected" attractions in the U.S. for foreign visitors, according to an American Tours International poll, are...truck stops. It seems that foreigners view the big-rig drivers as "the last cowboys" and like to visit their feeding places. Other odd attractions: I-90 in South Dakota, a blacktop with few towns for hundreds of miles. The Ponderosa Ranch in Nevada (of 'Bonanza ' TV fame.) The Brentwood condo where Nicole Brown Simpson was killed. Crenshaw Boulevard in LA where violence erupted after the 1992 Rodney King verdict. The Miami mansion where designer Gianni Versace was shot to death. Buffalo Bill's grave near Golden, Colo. From Parade Mag Sue -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jones Case Dismissed
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: If this whole thing goes down the tubes would Susan McDougal have any grounds for a law suit. She was held in jail for refusing to say what Starr wanted her to say, although she did say over and over that she didn't know of any wrong doing. I know I am stretching with this but I was just wondering. :) Sue Hi Sue, The LAST thing her handlers want is for her to be out making statements! That's why they brought in Susan Carpenter McMillan. I'm still betting that they cut their losses and decide not to appeal. Too bad for all those groupies who contributed money to her legal defense fund so she could buy those new clothes and get her hair fixed. The Comedy Central channel had a brief blurb that reported her attorneys were deciding whether to appeal the decision or to simply turn Ms. Jones loose in the wild. BG Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Biased Judge Forgives Clinton
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: The person who authored the sexual harassment law was on MSNBC last night. It was explained that the law has nothing to do actually with sex, it is about employment. After explaining that even though a person can be a pig in the work place as long as it does not hurt the other persons job in any way it is not against the law. Of course there is the emotional pain that can be caused, but the law itself has to do with employment, not sex. Anyway that was the way it was explained by the author. Sue Hi Jackie, I read an interesting story in this morning's paper that made an excellent poin about this case. Simply put, many people just do not know the law with respect to sexual harassment and what is required to prove it. In spite of the red herrings that disappointed people throw out, it has nothing to do with an action that may or may not be considered an outrage. Clearly, even if Judge Wright thought the actions, if conducted as alleged, were an outrage, the case STILL would not have met the minimum for sexual harassment. People should not be coming down on Judge Wright for following the law. If they are not happy, they should work to get the law changed. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I don't think getting a gun stolen would come under irresponsible ownership. But I do think that they should make it some kind of a fine or something along those lines if your gun is stolen and it wasn't registered. That way at least there would be a chance of identifying it if it was found. Personally I have no use for firearms. I do know how to use them but would be afraid that if I had one the bad guy might get it away from me, and use it on me himself. Or I might mistake one of the kids or someone who came in late, unexpectedly, and shoot them, or one of my grandchildren might get it, etc. What would probably happen is that I would end up shooting myself in the foot or something. We have guns here, but it isn't because I want them here. :( Actually I feel quite safe with my dog and a cell phone by the bed at night. And both can travel around in the car with me without any chance of getting into trouble for having a concealed weapon or something like that. BG If they outlawed guns, like I told Jackie, it wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit. But that is both unrealistic and unlikely to ever happen. And I do support any gun laws that are on the books. Unfortunately the laws don't seem to pertain to the bad guys though. TIC But they can slow them down a little, sometimes. Sue HI Sue, I think there should be a general crime of "irresponsible gun ownership" that would cover a variety of cases when someone's gun is either used for a crime or involved in an accidental shooting. The severity of the crime should be commensurate with the event involving the gun. And, IMO, getting one's gun stolen is an example of irresponsible ownership. After all, if the purpose of a gun is to protect oneself from being robbed, then it seems ludicrous to get robbed of that gun. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jones Case Dismissed
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry: I heard her myself not more than a month or so ago in an interview say that she would not testify because she would not say what Starr wanted her to say. She also said that her husband came to her and told her that if she said that she had sex with Clinton that they would give her a deal. The interview was on Dateline. I will see if they still have it on the web. Now whether this is the truth or not, I don't know, but this is what she said. Sue Hi Sue, Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this whole thing goes down the tubes would Susan McDougal have any grounds for a law suit. She was held in jail for refusing to say what Starr wanted her to say, Totally untrue. This is nonsense. Susan McDougal could have opened the cell doors at any time she wanted. All she needed to do was agree to testify - and do so. She claimed that testifying truthfully would open her to charges of perjury. But perjury, like any other charges, have to be proven. She was willing to spend 18 months under horrible conditions to avoid a perjury conviction (for telling the truth yet) that would like entail no jail time? Make sense to you? Susan McDougal was caught between Starr and Clinton. Either Clinton had offered her inducements or she was frightened of implicating him. You tell me what other possible reason there was for her actions. although she did say over and over that she didn't know of any wrong doing. I know I am stretching with this but I was just wondering. :) Sue Best, Terry -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jones Case Dismissed
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I don't think she did have anything to do with Paula Jones or any of the other cases, but they seem to be all intertwined in a way, although they are separate. Maybe I just feel that way because the same prosecutor is in charge of them all. I'm glad you saw that interview too, as it isn't on the web any longer. :) Sue Hi Terry Did you watch the interview with Susan McDougal? I don't know where you got your information, but she said that the only way she could walk out was to tell the story the way Starr wanted her to--not to agree to testify, but to testify the way he wanted. She said if she did that and testified the way Starr wanted the story that she would be open to perjury, not open to perjury for telling the truth. Hi Sue: I don't think Susan can do anything as she was a witness for Whitewater, I think. Did she have anything to do with the Paula Jones fiasco? jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Biased Judge Forgives Clinton
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Just out of curiosity what do you think of these kids making the covers of TIME, Newsweek, and other magazines. It seems to me that this could be kind of "hero making", in the eyes of other kids. Sue I read about the problems this kid had back in Minnesota and that he was scheduled for a hearing concerning an alleged sex crime. I also heard that his father had some problems with the law, as well as his step father. But I haven't heard anything about the flap over releasing the records. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jones Case Dismissed
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Ron: Whatever the reason they do seem to be all tied together. Actually many of the same players are involved in each one, or so they seem. Sue The commonality that links all of this together is not the Special Prosecutor. All of the strands of this web of deceit are tied together and linked directly to our much respected President, the spinner of the web. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Jones lawyer says appeal is likely
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They just said on MSNBC that Susan Carpenter McMillian is saying that Jones will appeal this also. WASHINGTON, April 5 (UPI) _ Paula Jones lawyer John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute says he thinks his client will appeal her case against the president. Whitehead told ``Fox News Sunday'': ``My opinion is the Rutherford Institute really wants to appeal this case. I think there's a good chance she'll appeal the case.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re Guns, guns and more guns.
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I think it would be next to impossible to get rid of guns in the United States now. Japan and England both have never allowed guns to begin with, so therefore they didn't have the problem of getting their citizens approval to rid their country of them. Our country was founded on the idea that the citizens should be allowed to have guns. The original meaning being so that the government couldn't take over the country. That idea now is ridiculous because if the government wanted to take over the country there is no way we could stop it. However, people are not going to let those guns go. The crime rate in Japan is starting to pick up now though. The economy is shot to hell and homelessness is now a part of the landscape. :( Yoko was telling me that only a few years ago there was no such thing as a homeless person in Japan. Now it is getting more and more common. So the lack of guns doesn't necessarily mean that there would be no crime. But I bet there are fewer murders and such. Sue Hi Jackie, I agree in principle, but when you have such a disparity between the US and most other countries with respect to numbers of people who are injured or killed via gun shots I think it is imperative to look for as many ways as possible to reduce these numbers. I know one can make the same analogy with respect to automobiles but this becomes apples and oranges when one considers the cost/benefit and the need for an automobile vs the need to own a gun. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Ark. Mom: Shooting Not Son's Idea
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ark. Mom: Shooting Not Son's Idea JONESBORO, Ark. (AP) -- A woman whose 13-year-old son is accused of killing five people in a school ambush told Time magazine that the boy ``never meant to hurt anybody.'' Gretchen Woodard said her son, Mitchell Johnson, told her the March 24 attack that left four young girls and a teacher dead was planned by Mitchell's alleged accomplice, 11-year-old Drew Golden. Drew asked Mitchell to help him on the bus ride home from school the day before the shooting, Woodard says in the issue of the magazine that appears on newsstands Monday. ``Mitch told me he never meant to hurt anybody, and he didn't take specific aim,'' Mrs. Woodard said. ``He just meant to scare them, I guess. But then something went terribly wrong.'' Both boys have been charged in juvenile court with five counts of murder and 10 counts of first-degree battery. Police say Drew set off the fire alarm and the two boys opened fire on schoolmates and teachers who filed out of the building. Drew's grandfather, Doug Golden, has said that Mitchell instigated the attack. Golden said his grandson admitted firing some shots, but not targeting anyone. A message left Sunday at the office of Drew's attorney, Val Price, was not immediately returned. Mitchell has lost weight while confined at the Craighead County Detention Center, Mrs. Woodard said. He looks ``thin, sallow and dehydrated, with very dry, cracked lips. ``I begged him to drink,'' but she says he doesn't like the center's beverage selection of water, milk and, sometimes, Kool-Aid. Mrs. Woodard said both Mitchell and his 11-year-old brother, Monte, had BB guns and hunter-education cards. But she said real guns were barred from the family's mobile home. She said Drew never visited her home. ``The first time I heard his name was when this all happened,'' she said. Mrs. Woodard said Mitchell had seemed troubled after her divorce from his father in 1994. But he seemed happier in recent months, bringing home A's in music, choir and physical education, and making the football, basketball and baseball teams at the middle school. Just after she heard about the shootings, her youngest son called her at home. ``Mom, you have to come get me,'' Monte said. ``Mitchell shot some kids.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Swiss, U.S. To Build New Titanic
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Swiss, U.S. To Build New Titanic BASEL, Switzerland (AP) -- Swiss and American businesses are joining forces to build a new Titanic, a Swiss newspaper reported Sunday. The partners hope to recreate history in launching the ship from Southampton on April 10, 2002, almost 90 years to the day after the original vessel set sail on its one and only voyage across the Atlantic, Zurich's weekly SonntagsZeitung reported. The 900 foot-long ship will have places for 2,000 people and will be built to the same scale and detail as its predecessor - although with 21st century technology, said the report. It will cost between $400-600 million to build, the report said. ``We want this to be the crowning glory of the Titanic euphoria,'' Walter Navratil, European spokesman for the U.S. partners, is quoted by SonntagsZeitung as saying. The partners are calling themselves White Star Line after the company which operated the original ship, it said. On the Swiss side, the sole shareholder is Basel-based G-and-E Wirtschaftsberatung and Treuhand AG. The Titanic Development Corporation, founded in Las Vegas at the beginning of the year, is the other partner, the report said. It is not yet clear sailing for the venture. Harland and Wolff, the Belfast-based shipbuilders who hold the original plans for the ship, have not yet said whether they will allow a new version to be built, according to SonntagsZeitung. The partners are optimistic, saying they have contacted shipyard officials and are awaiting a meeting with them. On its maiden voyage on April 14, 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic Ocean south of Newfoundland and sank, taking more than 1,500 of the 2,200 passengers on board with it. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Child-Killer's Release Angers Brits
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Child-Killer's Release Angers Brits LONDON (AP) -- Pedophiles may be detained indefinitely in the future, a British Cabinet minister said Sunday, responding to public fear and anger over the release of a child-killer. Sidney Cooke, 70, was due to be released Monday after serving nine years of a 16-year sentence for his part in the gang rape and murder of a 14-year-old youth in 1988. Police said Cooke, who is unrepentant and has refused therapy, agreed to wear an electronic tag and be supervised by probation officers -- but only after they threatened to publicize where he will live. Cooke is among 150 sex offenders due to be released over the next few years who are legally entitled to live without supervision because they were convicted before 1992. Laws since then say released sex offenders must register with the police and be supervised by parole officers. One of Cooke's three accomplices in the killing of Jason Swift has been hounded by from six towns by furious parents since he was freed from jail last year. Robert Oliver, 43, now has a 48-hour police guard and lives at a privately run clinic, costing the government around $535 a day. Protesters, including several mothers of children murdered by pedophiles, gathered outside London's Wandsworth Prison where Cooke served his sentence. However, authorities removed Cooke in a van with blackened windows to a secret destination on Saturday night, before his scheduled release. Home Secretary Jack Straw said serious sex offenders should receive ``indeterminate sentences.'' ``There is a great deal of concern about serious sex offenders who pose a threat to children,'' Straw said in an interview with the Sunday Times of London. ``We are urgently examining ways to ensure such people are released only when they no longer pose a threat.'' Cooke, a former fairground worker, has been linked -- but not charged -- with the murders of several other children. Police and prison psychiatrists say Cooke hopes to get work under a new name at a fairground and admits he may seek out another child. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Jokes for Sunday
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Service Oaths US Air Force Oath of Enlistment I, Zoomie, swear to sign away 4 years of my useless life to the United States Air Force because I'm too smart for the Army and because the Marines frighten me. I swear to sit behind a desk and take credit for the work done by others more dedicated than me who take their job seriously. I also swear not to do any form of real exercise, but promise to defend our bike riding test as a valid form of exercise. I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, even though I believe myself to be above that. I promise to walk around calling everyone by their first name because I know I'm not really in the military and I find it amusing to annoy the other services. I will have a better quality of life than all those around me and will at all times besure to make them aware of that fact. After completion of my snicker "Basic Training," I will be a lean, mean, donut-eating, lazy-boy sitting, civilian-wearing-blue-clothes, chairborne Ranger. I will believe I am superior to all others and will make an effort to clean the knife before stabbing the next person in the back with it. I will do no work unless someone is watching me (and it makes me look good), will annoy those around me, and will go home early every day. I consent to never getting promoted (EVER) and understand that all those whom I made fun of yesterday will probably outrank me tomorrow. So help me God. ___ Signature Date ~ US Army Oath of Enlistment I, Rambo, swear to sign away 4 years of my mediocre life to the United States Army because I couldn't score high enough on the ASVAB to get into the Air Force, because I'm not tough enough for the Marines, and the Navy won't take me because I can't swim. I will wear camouflage every day and tuck my trousers in my boots because I can't figure out how to use blousing straps. I promise to wear my uniform 24 hours a day even when I have a date. I will continue to tell myself that I am a fierce killing machine because my Drill Sergeant told me I am, despite the fact that the only action I will ever see is a court-martial for sexual harassment. I acknowledge the fact that I will make E-8 in my first year of service, and vow to maintain that it is because I scored perfect on my PT test. After completion of my sexual...er...I mean Boot Camp, I will attend a different Army school once every other month and return knowing less than I did when I left. On my first trip home after Boot Camp, I will walk around like I am cool and propose to my 9th grade sweetheart. I will make my wife stay home because if I let her out she might leave me for a smarter Air Force guy or a better looking Marine. Should she leave me twelve times, I will continue to take her back. While at work, I will maintain a look of knowledge while getting absolutely nothing accomplished. I will arrive at work every day at 1000 hrs because of morning PT and leave every day at 1300 to report back to the "company." I understand that I will undergo no training whatsoever that will help me get a job upon separation, and will end up working in construction with my friends from high school. I will brag to everyone about the Army giving me $30,000 for college, but will be unable to use it because I can't pass a placement exam. So help me God. ___ Signature Date US Navy Oath of Enlistment I, Top Gun, in lieu of going to prison, swear to sign away 4 years of my life to the United States Navy because I want to hang out with Marines without actually having to BE one of them, because I thought the Air Force was too "corporate," and because I thought, "hey, I like to swim...why not?" I promise to wear clothing that went out of style in 1976 and to have my name stenciled on the butt of every pair of pants I own. I understand that I will be mistaken for the Good Humor man during the summer, and for Waffen SS during the winter. I will strive to use a different language than the rest of the English-speaking world. using words like "deck, bulkhead, cover, and head" instead of "floor, wall, hat, and toilet." I will take great pride in the fact that all Navy acronyms, rank and ensignia, and everything else for that matter, are completely different from the other services and make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I will muster (whatever that is) at 0700 hrs every morning unless I am buddy-buddy with the Chief, in which case I will show up around 0930 hours. I vow to hone my coffee cup handling skills to the point that I can stand up in a kayak being tossed around in a typhoon, and still not spill a drop. I consent to being promoted and subsequently busted at least twice per fiscal year. I re
Re: LI Jones Case Dismissed
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Thanks. :) I knew it was a far out idea, but just was wondering. Also I have been wondering about something else, just as far out. Since the affidavits involved in this whole thing (where Clinton supposidly lied) were part of the Jones case, and that case has been thrown out, are the affidavits still valid. Or were they thrown out along with the case? I hope I am getting my question across. BG Sue Hi Sue, No, she would have no grounds for a lawsuit because her contempt of court was well within the law. She was held in contempt for refusing to testify before the Grand Jury after being given use immunity. In those cases the person has no choice. Testify or be held in contempt. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Biased Judge Forgives Clinton
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: LOL I had the exact same reaction when I read that about the mother. I just couldn't believe that the most important thing here was the fact that the kid wanted soda instead of Kool-Aid. The kid is lucky to be getting what he is getting, IMO. Besides that I doubt very much that he is getting dehydrated. If he gets thirsty enough he will drink anything they give to him. If he doesn't there are always IV's. And I bet the minute he sees that needle he drinks something. :) I can see why these kids did what they did when the parents are like this. There really doesn't seem to be any responsibility being taken, IMO. A 14 year old kid knows right from wrong. Anyway most of the ones that I have delt with do anyway. These kids are usually freshmen, sophomores in high school. Sure they are still kids, but geeze they aren't toddlers. I also can't see an 11 year old kid talking a 14 year old into doing much of anything, unless they want to. I certainly hope though that other kids seeing these pictures on the front of magazines don't get the idea that if they do something like this they will get famous. IMO that was a very bad idea. Sue HI Sue, That's an interesting point and something to think about. I would hope that the horror and shame attached to their actions would discourage other kids who may be angry and troubled. I think they should give more coverage to the way these kids are reacting to their time in jail. I read that they cry all day and ask for their mommies. I read today that each family is blaming the other kid for planning the shooting. No surprise there. But the thirteeen year old's mother says her son is losing weight and has dry chapped lips. She encourages him to drink fluids but he doesn't like the jail fare of water, milk and sometimes Kool-Aid. Awww, poor baby! Theres a dose of reality for them. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re:School days, school days..
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Ok Now you have to tell me how you lost the nun's underwear. That I have to know. BG The Catholic schools I went to certainly were not as much fun as that. :) Sue Hi Bill LOL--those nuns could be wily couldn't they. But, in high school we had some that were a little different in their own way. Of course, we were somewhat cruel now that I think of it. We painted a chicken's toes with nailpolish when the biology teacher passed a leg around so we could see how the tendons, etc. worked. By the time she got it back, she was livid. We locked her out of the classroom one day and then played dumb after she got the janitor to open the door. When she lost her underwear at a convocation, instead of being quiet we called attention to her. What terrible teens we were. There are so many stories that so many people have about the silly things we did in school. It is too bad that for many there will not be those fun memories. Wish there was more that we could do about that. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI U.S. Bans Foreign Guns Permanently
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I see no legit reason for anyone to have these types of guns. They certainly can't be used for hunting. In fact I can't think of any use for them at all. What was the NRA's position on this do you know. And if they wanted them imported, why? Sue HI Sue, This is an example of the kind of things I think need to be done. They may seem small and inconsequential by themselves, but can add up to some effectiveness in cutting down on the numbers and types of guns available to criminals, or to private citizens who are careless enough to let them get into criminals' hands. Bill U.S. Bans Foreign Guns Permanently -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Death Row Case Raises Questions
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SAN QUENTIN, Calif. (AP) -- Unkempt, unwashed, unable to do much more than mumble ``word salads,'' death row inmate Horace Kelly is so out of touch, his lawyers say, he thinks he's already been executed eight times. Kelly is scheduled to die April 14, unless lawyers making a last-ditch effort to spare him can convince jurors that he's insane. A sanity hearing looks to the mind of a murderer for the answer to a question that hasn't been raised in California for 47 years: What happens if a condemned prisoner goes mad? The hearing was to begin today. ``The question is not whether or not you're psychotic. There's a lot of psychotic people on death row. The question is whether or not you're so far gone that you don't understand the nature and effect of the death penalty and why you're getting it,'' said Michael Radelet, chairman of the University of Florida's sociology department and author of the 1993 book ``Executing the Mentally Ill.'' Radelet, who recently visited Kelly, said it's obvious he should be spared under state and federal law prohibiting the execution of the insane. Not everyone is convinced. ``He's not being executed for who he is. He's being executed for what he did,'' Shannon Prock, who watched Kelly kill her young cousin, told The Press-Enterprise in Riverside. Kelly, 38, was sent to death row for murdering three people in a seven-day rampage in November 1984. Two of his victims, Sonia Reed and Ursula Houser, were found on San Bernardino streets, shot to death and nude from the waist down. The third victim was 11-year-old Danny Osentowski, Ms. Prock's cousin. Danny and 13-year-old Shannon, together for Thanksgiving Day, were walking home from a corner store when Kelly grabbed Shannon at gunpoint. Danny came to the rescue, kicking Kelly. Shannon later testified that she heard a shot and then heard Danny say ``Don't shoot me again. I'll die this way.'' Kelly shot Danny point blank between the eyes. In 1986, Kelly was sentenced to die for Danny's murder. A year later he was found competent to stand trial for the murders of the two women, for which he also received a death sentence. The sanity hearing was prompted by a report from a prison psychiatrist. State law requires prison officials to notify prosecutors if a condemned man's sanity is in question. A jury of 12 must decide the matter. California hasn't had such a case since 1951. The defense contends that the statute in question, which is 100 years old, needs to be updated to conform with Supreme Court rulings. But Marin County Superior Court Judge William McGivern ruled the law could be interpreted to provide the protections the Supreme Court requires, such as the defendant's right to attend and be represented by a lawyer. At least nine jurors must agree on a verdict; their decision cannot be appealed. Prosecutors won't say if they'll try to prove Kelly is sane. His lawyers say Kelly grew up in an abusive family, and sometimes ate dog food, sat in a tree and howled when he was a young man; he believed he had bionic ears. Prison officials do not arrange interviews with death row inmates, but Kelly's lawyers provided reports indicating a steady deterioration in his mental health. A 1991 evaluation is blank except for this: ``This disturbed man cannot respond to questions.'' Last month, when Kelly was visited by psychiatrist Sophia Vinogradov, he was dirty, smelly and incoherent. Asked if he knew what crimes he was to be executed for, Kelly replied, `Under animal law book under public people it would be certified people group or congregation.'' Richard Dieter of the Death Penalty Information Center said it's rare for an execution to be stopped because of insanity. One of the best known cases is that of Gary Alvord, a mental hospital escapee who strangled three women and was sent to Florida's death row in 1974. He was judged incompetent 10 years later but later was returned to death row. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Ginsburg to Starr: ``Get a life''
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PHILADELPHIA, April 6 (UPI) _ William Ginsburg says special prosecutor Kenneth Starr should wind up his probe of the White House sex scandal and ``Get a life'' so his client, Monica Lewinsky, can get one of her own. Before making a private speech to the Philadelphia Bar Association, Ginsburg told reporters: ``I'd like to see him (Starr) drop the damn thing, make his report to the Hill and let's go on with the business of government, and Monica's life, his (Starr's) life, and let's, to use an overused phrase, let's see Mr. Starr get a life.'' Lewinsky's relationship with President Clinton is being investigated by Starr but she has not yet appeared before Starr's grand jury. The 24- yr-old former White House intern accompanied Ginsburg to Philadelphia. She was not with him at the news conference, but on Sunday joined him on a tour of Philadelphia's historic sites, including the Liberty Bell. She was expected to attend the Bar Association luncheon with him. Ginsburg said Lewinsky had not decided on her future but was a brilliant young woman with an ability to reason. He said,``Consequently I have recommended to her professions like law, or medicine, or someplace where she can use that brightness, that ability to syllogistically work things out in a logical manner.'' Ginsburg said he did not have any idea when the probe will end. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI BrainBenderz: Almost Prime
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -=Today's Puzzle: In the following addition example, you can replace 5 of the digits by zeros in order to make the total 1,111. Try it. 1 1 1 3 3 3 5 5 5 7 7 7 + 9 9 9 -- 1,1 1 1 -=Yesterday's Answer: Golfers Liberals - Brown is the architect, Clark the lawyer, Jones the doctor, and Smith the banker. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Mother Of The Accused TIME
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gretchen Woodard tells TIME of her son Mitchell's troubles and his version of the Jonesboro massacre By NADYA LABI He didn't look real good," says Gretchen Woodard of her 13-year-old son, Mitchell Johnson. She had just seen him at the Craighead County Detention Center in Arkansas, where he and his partner, Andrew Golden, 11, are in solitary confinement, awaiting an April 29 court hearing into the Jonesboro massacre. For now, though, Gretchen is thinking about smaller matters. Her son is "thin, sallow and dehydrated, with very dry, cracked lips," she says. "I begged him to drink." But Mitch, she says, is not taken with the prison's beverage selection: tap water, milk and, on a good day, Kool-Aid. He is terrified and confused, she says, able to provide few clues to his mother to explain the horror that he and Drew Golden are accused of inflicting on the Arkansas community. Last week Jonesboro was still deep in mourning as almost 8,000 people gathered at Arkansas State University to remember the four girls and one teacher murdered on March 24. A clear picture of Mitchell Johnson has been obscured by his disparate identities--choirboy, volatile romantic, school bully. To those images must now be added the ravages of family turmoil and rootlessness. But was Mitch the instigator of the shootings at Westside Middle School, as Drew's grandfather has cast him? Gretchen Woodard has another version. She told TIME her son says it was Drew who proposed an attack last month. Mitch had said no, Woodard says, but then on the bus ride home from school the afternoon before the fatal assault, Drew approached Mitch again. "Mitch told me he never meant to hurt anybody and he didn't take specific aim," says Woodard. "He just meant to scare 'em, I guess. But then something went terribly wrong." She learned of the shooting from two back-to-back phone calls. "Don't you know?" demanded the first caller. Then her son Monte, 11, rang: "Mom, you have to come get me. Mitchell shot some kids." Their mother tells her story from her weather-worn mobile home on a dirt road northwest of Jonesboro. Next door is Brand Custom Hauling--the company that employs Gretchen's third husband, Terry Woodard, as a heavy-equipment operator. In the house a bobtailed cat prowls the kitchen counter while Trigger, the pet guinea pig, snoozes in its cage. "The hardest thing for me is that this was the happiest any of us had ever been," says Woodard. On the morning of the shooting, Mitch had sat at her circular kitchen table, slumped in her spindle-back chair, chuckling with his stepfather over how an old woman grabbed his ear during a visit by his church group to a local nursing home. Mitch, who had been troubled since Gretchen's divorce from his father, Scott Johnson, in 1994, had seemed happier; he had brought home A's in music, choir and phys ed in January. He had even made three different middle-school teams, becoming a Westside Warrior in football, basketball and baseball. Gretchen chooses not to talk about another story that surfaced last week from her son's past. According to a sheriff's report in Minnesota, where the family had originally lived, Mitch had admitted sexually touching the two-year-old granddaughter of his father's fiance, during the boy's summer vacation in Minnesota last year. Mitch told his friend Andrew O'Rourke, 13, that the situation had been "misunderstood"--he was only trying to help the toddler pull up her pants after she went to the bathroom. But Mitchell also told authorities that he "put his finger inside of her once." The girl corroborated that statement, pointing to an anatomically correct doll. Mitch was ordered to undergo psychological counseling. For his mother, even the dilapidated domesticity of Arkansas was an improvement over Minnesota. By the early 1990s, her marriage to Scott Johnson was failing, and home life had become something of a health hazard. "There was dog crap on the kitchen floor," recalls an occasional visitor to their farmhouse in Grand Meadow. "Rotting food was lying on the counter for weeks. The yard was not cleaned or mowed." As for Mitch, the visitor recalls once finding him asleep behind some paneling in the house. He says, "He didn't look like someone I wanted my kid to play with. His clothes were dirty. If I had more kindness, I would have cleaned him up." In 1993 Scott Johnson was arrested for stealing meat at the grocery where he worked, and was dismissed. He and Gretchen divorced a year later. While her husband tangled with the law over the gross misdemeanor, Gretchen, who was a corrections officer at a federal-prison medical center in nearby Rochester, befriended Woodard, a felon who had been convicted in 1990 of drug and firearms charges. In 1995 he won a "supervised release" from
LI Dad: Jonesboro Suspect Was Molested
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dad: Jonesboro Suspect Was Molested NEW YORK (AP) -- One of the two boys accused in the schoolyard ambush in Arkansas said he had been repeatedly sexually molested when he was a younger boy in Minnesota, according to his father and his attorney. Thirteen-year-old Mitchell Johnson said he was abused when he was 6 and 7 years old, his attorney, Tom Furth, said in an interview recorded for broadcast Monday night on ABC News' ``20/20.'' Mitchell and Drew Golden, 11, face five counts of murder and 10 counts of first-degree battery each in the March 24 shooting outside a middle school in Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and a teacher were killed. In a transcript of the interview, Furth and Mitchell's father, Scott Johnson, described Mitchell as angry about the abuse and remorseful about the shootings. They said he has received death threats. Johnson said he only learned last week about his son's alleged abuse, two days before the Sunday interview. The attacker was ``a family member of the day care where he was placed,'' Johnson said. At that age, Mitchell lived in Grand Meadow, Minn., a small town about 95 miles south of Minneapolis. His parents divorced and he later moved to Jonesboro with his mother. ``Mitchell Johnson is very angry about some things that have happened to him in his past,'' Furth said. ``And he's 13 years old, and he doesn't know how to handle some of these things and he doesn't know how to cope with some of these things.'' Neither Furth nor Johnson returned messages Monday seeking further comment on issues raised in the interview. In the transcript, Johnson appears to confirm earlier reports that Mitchell was charged with molesting a 2- or 3-year-old girl while visiting Minnesota last summer. Asked what he could say about the incident, Johnson said only: ``That his actions were inappropriate and that I took him to the authorities.'' ``I thought he would get help,'' he said. The record of the case is closed because Mitchell is a juvenile. Furth said Mitchell is hated in Arkansas and his family fears for his life because of death threats. Some letters said Mitchell wouldn't make it out of a detention center alive, Johnson said. ``I have a very unpopular client in this country, and that's because people don't know the answer to why (the shootings) happened,'' Furth said. Johnson also read a letter he said Mitchell wrote three days ago. It was unclear to whom the letter was addressed. ``Hi. My name is Mitchell,'' Johnson read. ``My thoughts and prayers are with those people who were killed, or shot, and their families. I am really sad inside about everything. My thoughts and prayers are with those kids that I go to school with. I really want people to know the real Mitchell someday. Sincerely, Mitchell Johnson.'' If Mitchell is found guilty and sentenced to a detention center, he likely would be released at age 18. Johnson said he didn't think five years of detention was enough, but when asked what would be enough, he said: ``I don't have an answer for that. What is enough for five lives? I don't think my son should die.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Deadline Nears for Whitewater Panel
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deadline Nears for Whitewater Panel LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- The federal grand jury investigating President Clinton's dealings in Arkansas reconvenes Tuesday with the deadline for its term running out for Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr. Starr suggested two weeks ago that he might not need another grand jury here. The panel, set to expire May 7, was empaneled two years ago to continue the work of the original Whitewater panel seated in 1994. The Whitewater investigation has produced charges against 17 people, leading to 15 convictions including former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and James and Susan McDougal, Clinton's former Whitewater business partners. The current grand jury has produced no indictments. Recent grand jury witnesses have signaled prosecutors' focus on legal work that first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton did in the mid 1980s related to a failed real estate development south of Little Rock called Castle Grande -- the brainchild of McDougal. The investigation had cost taxpayers $35 million by the end of September, according to an audit of the independent counsel's expenses by the General Accounting Office. Starr would not say Monday whether he would ask for another grand jury or whether he was winding down his operations in Arkansas. ``We're just continuing with our work. The assessment process is under way,'' Starr said outside his Little Rock headquarters. Tucker, who is cooperating with prosecutors after pleading guilty to charges unrelated to his 1996 Whitewater conviction, spent six hours before the grand jury last month and said he would be back. Sources familiar with the case say Tucker, whose dealings with McDougal led to their convictions on bank fraud and conspiracy charges, may have information about Mrs. Clinton's involvement in the project. Mrs. Clinton has said in sworn statements she recalls almost nothing about her work on the project. Little Rock businessman Seth Ward and McDougal owned the Castle Grande development, which failed at a cost to taxpayers of nearly $4 million. The development was financed almost entirely with loans from McDougal's savings and loan. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Terry Nichols Sued for Millions
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry Nichols Sued for Millions DENVER (AP) -- Seeking to make sure Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols never earns any money off his crime, victims of the bombing and government lawyers on Monday sued him for millions. Lawyers for Oklahoma and the Justice Department filed a brief in U.S. District Court asking for $14.5 million in restitution and a $25,000 criminal fine. Two victims of the bombing, in a separate filing, asked for unspecified restitution. Last month, U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch delayed setting a sentencing date because of a dispute about restitution. Government attorneys want Matsch to require Nichols to repay victims as part of his sentencing. Nichols' attorney said he can't afford it. Nichols could conceivably make money off book, television or other rights to his story. ``America continues to be fascinated by the Oklahoma City bombing, the most deadly terrorist act in American history. It is by no means farfetched to believe that defendant Nichols could thus profit from his crime by cashing in on his celebrity status,'' said the motion filed by Marsha Kight, whose daughter, Franki Ann Merrell, 23, was killed, and Martin Cash, who suffered severe, ``life-altering injuries'' in the blast. ``Simply stated, notorious criminals stand to make money after the conviction merely by trading on their notoriety,'' the motion read. Before the April 19, 1995, bombing that killed 168 and injured hundreds, Nichols worked as a gun dealer and on a ranch. Nichols, 42, was convicted Dec. 23 of conspiracy and eight counts of involuntary manslaughter. The jury deadlocked on whether to impose the death penalty, which leaves his sentence to Matsch. The maximum he could now receive is life in prison without parole. Bomber Timothy McVeigh was sentenced to death. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Supreme Court-Polygraphs/additional info
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I grew up with guns and rifles around me too. And hunting was just something that my dad, uncles, and their friends did. My dad made sure we all knew how to handle guns and shoot when we were really young. But I think it was a different time. You didn't hear of kids shooting each other, or even the drive bys, etc that are going on now. :( I just read the TIME article and the mother certainly isn't helping the situation any, IMO. Of course I don't know how I would act if it were one of my kids that had done this, either. Another article that I just read says that the boy was sexually molested when he was young. The living conditions that these people lived in certainly aren't all that good either. What is strange is that you hear on television that the people in the area don't want these kids treated as adults, they almost forgive them for what happened. And then you read in the papers and such that the kids are getting death threats. It really is a sad situation, and the worst part, IMO, is that no matter what happens neither kid is going to get help, and will probably come out of juvenile detention in 4-7 years a lot worse than when they went in. Sue Hi Sue It is true about growing up with guns in this neck of the woods. Hunting is almost a given if you ask someone their hobbies. It is not unusual to go into someone's house and the first thing you see are the hunting and fishing trophies (mounted of course). I think that is why it is so shocking to many in this area when they read of guns being used to kill others. Not that it doesn't happen, of course. We have a murder right now that is going to trial where two young men went over and shot another young man. I guess the only difference is that the feeling is "lock'em up and throw away the key." The stories here are about the same--some say he was an angel; others he was a little devil. One reason may be that the father lived in Grand Meadow and the grandparents in Spring Valley, I believe. Maybe Mitchell behaved differently in each community. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Arkansas--MN connection was Re: LI Biased Judge Forgives Clinton
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I didn't read the story. I have it here but just haven't had the time, but will tonight. I don't think that anything should have been released to the public about these kids. I especially don't think that their pictures should have been put on the front of the magazines. Sure enough some kid is going to see that and think he can become "famous" if he tries something like this. Hope to God I'm wrong about that one. :( Sue Hi Sue I guess the parents and grandparents have decided the best thing to do under the circumstances is be truthful about the incident. Did you read Newsweek--Tom said he was mentioned in there. He was awfully embarrassed after everything mushroomed like it did. Of course, there are two versions to the sexual story. I know the records are supposed to be sealed but I would imagine there are provisions that allow them to be opened. I know if you commit a felony in our state at a very young age, it can be reduced to a misdemeanor and sealed, but if you get in trouble again it is opened and is used as a felony in sentencing you (or something like that). jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Court refuses to review Noriega case
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wondered what ever happened to this guy. Sue WASHINGTON, April 6 (UPI) _ The Supreme Court has refused a request from former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega to review his Miami drug conviction. Now in a U.S. prison, the once-wealthy Noriega claimed in a pauper's petition that the U.S. government may have entered into an agreement with Colombia's Cali cartel to obtain a key witness's testimony, and that the witness received a $1.25 million bribe from the cartel. The Supreme Court refused review today without comment. Noriega claimed ``the government's failure to reveal its deal with the Cali cartel'' violated Supreme Court precedent on the suppression of evidence that tends to show a defendant is innocent. The Justice Department opposed Noriega's petition, saying Noriega helped the Medellin cartel, a former Cali rival, ship ``significant quantities of cocaine through Panama to the United States'' from 1982 to 1985. The dictator was toppled and captured by invading U.S. troops in 1989, and brought back to the United States for trial. The department said in papers filed with the Supreme Court the U.S. government has traced $23 million in Noriega money in banks outside Panama. Department officials say although two Cali cartel members testified to the existence of the bribe during post-trial hearings, the witness denied it and no evidence has emerged to support either version. The lower courts agreed with the Justice Department that knowledge of the alleged bribe could not be imputed to U.S. prosecutors, even if the alleged bribe existed. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
