Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Brooks Harris
On 2014-01-08 09:34 PM, Steve Allen wrote: On Wed 2014-01-08T12:11:39 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ: Who, or what standards body, would have the (international) authority to be taken seriously? I'm not sure about that, but since the whole time-keeping mess was started out by astronomers I

[LEAPSECS] When did computer timekeeping get good enough for leap seconds to matter?

2014-01-09 Thread Hal Murray
The IBM 360 systems starting in 1964 used the power line frequency. (A location in low memory got bumped at 300 counts per second. 5 per cycle on 60 Hz and 6 per cycle on 50 Hz.) I wonder how much the power timekeeping wandered back then relative to today. Does anybody know what the guys

Re: [LEAPSECS] When did computer timekeeping get good enough for leap seconds to matter?

2014-01-09 Thread Zefram
Hal Murray wrote: When were there enough (Unix?) boxes on the net running NTP and keeping good enough time to notice things like leap seconds? De facto, late 1990s, I think. What one would notice would depend rather on one's habits; early adopters vs late adopters of NTP. I should go browse

Re: [LEAPSECS] When did computer timekeeping get good enough for leap seconds to matter?

2014-01-09 Thread Richard B. Langley
Does anyone know if the NERC experiment (see below) happened or is still underway? -- Richard Langley From Wikipedia: Regulation of power system frequency for timekeeping accuracy was not commonplace until after 1926 and the invention of the electric clock driven by a synchronous motor. Today

Re: [LEAPSECS] When did computer timekeeping get good enough for leap seconds to matter?

2014-01-09 Thread Warner Losh
On Jan 9, 2014, at 4:03 AM, Hal Murray wrote: The IBM 360 systems starting in 1964 used the power line frequency. (A location in low memory got bumped at 300 counts per second. 5 per cycle on 60 Hz and 6 per cycle on 50 Hz.) I wonder how much the power timekeeping wandered back then

Re: [LEAPSECS] Local insertion of leap seconds

2014-01-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Stephen, Nice seeing you here! On 03/01/14 21:45, Stephen Scott wrote: Subject: Local insertion of leap seconds I am new to this group so please excuse if this subject has been previously covered. As I understand the standard ITU-R TF.460-6 the leap second correction is instantiated globally

Re: [LEAPSECS] Local insertion of leap seconds

2014-01-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/01/14 22:20, Steve Allen wrote: On Fri 2014-01-03T15:45:13 -0500, Stephen Scott hath writ: 2.)Video in North America and some other parts of the world is Is currently described by section 5.3.2.13.1 of ATSC-Mobile DTV Standard, Part 2 -- RF/Transmission System Characteristics Document

Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Brooks, Welcome to the list! On 08/01/14 01:45, Brooks Harris wrote: On 2014-01-07 03:40 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 52cc8c26.5090...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes: I fully understand time zone specifications are fractured. My objective is to determine what standards are

Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Brooks Harris
Hi Magnus, On 2014-01-09 02:11 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Brooks, Welcome to the list! On 08/01/14 01:45, Brooks Harris wrote: On 2014-01-07 03:40 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 52cc8c26.5090...@edlmax.com, Brooks Harris writes: I fully understand time zone specifications are

Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 9, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: Well, its clear the end game would take a long time to realize. It will take serious patience on the part of folks who care. We’re halfway there, then ;-) This conversation has been going on for a very long time. Click

Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Brooks Harris
Hi Rob, On 2014-01-09 04:18 PM, Rob Seaman wrote: On Jan 9, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: Well, its clear the end game would take a long time to realize. It will take serious patience on the part of folks who care. We’re halfway there, then ;-) This conversation

Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Warner Losh
On Jan 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Brooks Harris wrote: Hi Rob, On 2014-01-09 04:18 PM, Rob Seaman wrote: On Jan 9, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com wrote: Well, its clear the end game would take a long time to realize. It will take serious patience on the part of folks who

Re: [LEAPSECS] presentations from AAS Future of Time sessions

2014-01-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/01/14 19:40, Rob Seaman wrote: PDFs of the slides from the talks yesterday (5 Jan 2014) are now available at: http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/futureofutc/aas223/ Thanks for the pointer. Reviewing Kara Warburton's presentation I have one comment. The concept of a international

Re: [LEAPSECS] When did computer timekeeping get good enough for leap seconds to matter?

2014-01-09 Thread Hal Murray
p...@phk.freebsd.dk said: It used to be pretty good, because people used synchronous motors to drive clocks so the power companies tried to keep the long-term frequency correct. Microwave ovens still use the line for timekeeping. 1/2 :) I wonder how many old mechanical (synchronous) clocks

Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Hal Murray
(from a day or two ago...) Brooks Harris bro...@edlmax.com said: So I ask your opinion(s) - Do you think there's a need for a document like I've described? What standards body do you think would be receptive to the idea? Or is it a fool's errand? If I was going to try to fix that, I think

Re: [LEAPSECS] Standards of time zones -Brooks Harris

2014-01-09 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2014-01-09T01:56:03 -0800, Brooks Harris hath writ: In 2011 you posted to the list a link to the 2011 ITU-R CACE issued Circular 539 http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/leapsecs/2011-June/003058.html Whats the current status of that? Still on hold? That was one of the rare ITU-R