Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Damian WALSH]

France is the obvious place for him - where most Ligue 1 matches are played
at (it seems) walking pace. I wonder if PSG would still be interested?

Le mer. 3 avr. 2024 à 18:21, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :

>  Isn't this exactly as it was supposed to play out ?
> Before Bielsa, Phillips was hopeless. Bielsa gave him the ideal role where
> his pace wasn't exposed in a unique system. It worked the majority of the
> time but even then he had some stinkers with Bielsa subbing him early (at
> half time once) a few times. He was never going to be nearly good enough
> for City but one good England game against poor opposition at Wembley and a
> few average performances sat next Declan Rice and others in midfield seemed
> to have fooled some people. Pep obviously took one look at him in training
> and decided he wasn't good enough. A good manager ! He played a ridiculous
> amount of football for City over 2 years and the one thing we know about KP
> is that he was always slow to get back to form after absence. So now he's
> thrown on the frontline for the Hammers and he hasn't a chance. Playing as
> an out and out midfielder in the premier league he just stands out as not
> being good enough and he's still not getting the game time because he's
> making mistakes and showing his lack of pace every game. He's so slow and
> he's never going to be good enough.
> Would I have him back at Leeds ? No way., especially if we get promoted.
> The only way back for Philips is for him to accept what he is and drop
> down a league or 2 and try to rebuild his career.
> He's got enough brass though so we shouldn't feel sorry for him.
> The Yorkshire Piroe - not a chance.
>
> On Wednesday, 3 April 2024 at 15:34:21 BST, Simon McNally via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>  The transfer rumours page on bbc sport reckoned citeh would want £30m for
> him.
> Seems steep given his lack of game time for two seasons.
> He’s not coped with going from Bielsa, who built the team around him, to
> other coaches who expect him to fit in their style of play.
>
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Matt via
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:12:11 PM
> To: Leeds List 2010 ; Nick 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin?
>
>
> We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
> £10m+
>
> If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
> Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
> and that's not really Kalvin's position.
>
> Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
> player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.
>
> Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
> year than i will in my life.
>
> Matt
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nick" 
> To: "Leeds List 2010" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
> Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
> Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
> the summer.
> Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
> classes.
> And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
> wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
> I think that ship might have sailed.
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Robert Heath]

His confidence is obviously completely shot. You can tell if you watch
closely that his team mates, at City, Wham & even England, don't trust him
with the ball and won;t pass to him unless he is in acres of space. And
once you've lost the confidence of your team mates in football, you're
finished.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:12 PM Matt via Leedslist 
wrote:

>
> We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
> £10m+
>
> If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
> Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
> and that's not really Kalvin's position.
>
> Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
> player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.
>
> Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
> year than i will in my life.
>
> Matt
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nick" 
> To: "Leeds List 2010" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
> Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
> Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
> the summer.
> Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
> classes.
> And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
> wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
> I think that ship might have sailed.
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Isn't this exactly as it was supposed to play out ? 
Before Bielsa, Phillips was hopeless. Bielsa gave him the ideal role where his 
pace wasn't exposed in a unique system. It worked the majority of the time but 
even then he had some stinkers with Bielsa subbing him early (at half time 
once) a few times. He was never going to be nearly good enough for City but one 
good England game against poor opposition at Wembley and a few average 
performances sat next Declan Rice and others in midfield seemed to have fooled 
some people. Pep obviously took one look at him in training and decided he 
wasn't good enough. A good manager ! He played a ridiculous amount of football 
for City over 2 years and the one thing we know about KP is that he was always 
slow to get back to form after absence. So now he's thrown on the frontline for 
the Hammers and he hasn't a chance. Playing as an out and out midfielder in the 
premier league he just stands out as not being good enough and he's still not 
getting the game time because he's making mistakes and showing his lack of pace 
every game. He's so slow and he's never going to be good enough. 
Would I have him back at Leeds ? No way., especially if we get promoted. 
The only way back for Philips is for him to accept what he is and drop down a 
league or 2 and try to rebuild his career. 
He's got enough brass though so we shouldn't feel sorry for him. 
The Yorkshire Piroe - not a chance. 

On Wednesday, 3 April 2024 at 15:34:21 BST, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 The transfer rumours page on bbc sport reckoned citeh would want £30m for him.
Seems steep given his lack of game time for two seasons.
He’s not coped with going from Bielsa, who built the team around him, to other 
coaches who expect him to fit in their style of play.


Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Matt via Leedslist 

Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:12:11 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 ; Nick 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin?


We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
£10m+

If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
and that's not really Kalvin's position.

Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.

Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
year than i will in my life.

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
the summer.
Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
classes.
And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
I think that ship might have sailed.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

The transfer rumours page on bbc sport reckoned citeh would want £30m for him.
Seems steep given his lack of game time for two seasons.
He’s not coped with going from Bielsa, who built the team around him, to other 
coaches who expect him to fit in their style of play.


Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Matt via Leedslist 

Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:12:11 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 ; Nick 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin?


We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
£10m+

If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
and that's not really Kalvin's position.

Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.

Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
year than i will in my life.

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
the summer.
Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
classes.
And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
I think that ship might have sailed.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Matt via Leedslist]

We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want 
£10m+


If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though 
Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday) 
and that's not really Kalvin's position.


Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best 
player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.


Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this 
year than i will in my life.


Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in 
the summer.
Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master 
classes.
And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he 
wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.

I think that ship might have sailed.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Kalvin

[Jeremy Adams]

The best bit really about Kalvin getting called up is that there's no call up 
for Grealish. Chuffed for Kalvin though, couldn't have happened to a nicer kid, 
bet his Nan is made up.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:40 PM
To: nat...@sky.com ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin

Well done to the kid but this is a bit of a joke. Mind you Carlton Palmer and 
Denis Wise played for England. Hope for me yet.


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On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 5:18 pm, nattan--- via Leedslist 
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Well done to Kalvin on his England call up , deserved but also a bit of a 
surprise and something no one could have ever imagined pre Bielsa
Dave
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Re: [LU] Kalvin

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Well done to the kid but this is a bit of a joke. Mind you Carlton Palmer and 
Denis Wise played for England. Hope for me yet.


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On Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 5:18 pm, nattan--- via Leedslist 
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Well done to Kalvin on his England call up , deserved but also a bit of a 
surprise and something no one could have ever imagined pre Bielsa
Dave
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Richard Naef]

If you don't try difficult things and occasionally fail (16%) then what's the 
point. Perhaps some of the 16% did cause problems but that's what the other 10 
players are for and Bielsa isn't going to criticise him for that.

I think Dave made the point that comparing Batty to Macca was pointless as 
there attempts at passing were of completely different types.  KP is a 
defensive midfielder, very little gets through BUT he also sets up counter 
attacks and plays defence splitting passes.  If you think he's average your are 
entitled to your opinion, but I just think that's  plain wrong and not born out 
by the facts of last season or the beginning of this, maybe you need to amend 
your expectations of a top championship DM? Who are you comparing him with?

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:07:22 PM
To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
; Richard Naef 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he gave 
away. They were problematic.

Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.

Nick

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:


LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
; Richard Naef 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. During 
the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the ball 
away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats do not 
tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a bad 
thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other side and sets up 
their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Nick

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:


I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are entitled 
to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like facts and stats 
that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring them and accusing 
others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If you think 16% is 
“frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against committed (albeit 
limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats you would expect 
from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain you say you feel 
from watching one of our most improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we 
all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind 
people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and 
smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.

From: Richard Walker mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>) 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>; Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they don't 
include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.

I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.

First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and you 
could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.

I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.

It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's faults 
in a match and get all abusive and start crying particular on Twitter however 
there are 1 or 2 snowflakes on here. Come on, grow up FFS.

On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 09:01:10 BST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk><mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk<mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>>
 wrote:


Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I recommend you watch again Richard and actually look for the passes he gave 
away. They were problematic.
Phillips has come on leaps and bounds but he does have issues.
Nick
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 09:56:57 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short. 

Sent from my Mobile. 
From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
; Richard Naef 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats. Most of the game 
Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. During the game I told 
the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the ball away less (some 
hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats do not tell everything. 
100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a bad thing but when 4/5 
through balls go straight to the other side and sets up their attack there is 
nothing wrong with pointing that out.
Nick
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:

I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are entitled 
to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like facts and stats 
that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring them and accusing 
others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If you think 16% is 
“frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against committed (albeit 
limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats you would expect 
from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain you say you feel 
from watching one of our most improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we 
all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind 
people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and 
smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.

From: Richard Walker 
Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 

Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they don't 
include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.

I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.

First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and you 
could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.

I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.

It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's faults 
in a match and get all abusive and start crying particular on Twitter however 
there are 1 or 2 snowflakes on here. Come on, grow up FFS.

On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 09:01:10 BST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Richard Naef]

LOL.  15 long passes, 84 Medium and Short.

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:47:35 PM
To: Richard Walker ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
; Richard Naef 
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. During 
the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the ball 
away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats do not 
tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a bad 
thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other side and sets up 
their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Nick

On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:


I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are entitled 
to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like facts and stats 
that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring them and accusing 
others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If you think 16% is 
“frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against committed (albeit 
limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats you would expect 
from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain you say you feel 
from watching one of our most improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we 
all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind 
people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and 
smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.

From: Richard Walker mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>) 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>; Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they don't 
include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.

I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.

First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and you 
could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.

I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.

It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's faults 
in a match and get all abusive and start crying particular on Twitter however 
there are 1 or 2 snowflakes on here. Come on, grow up FFS.

On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 09:01:10 BST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk><mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk<mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>>
 wrote:


Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Crikey - someone else was actually watching the game and not just looking at 
the stats. 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 14:47:38 BST, Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:  
 
  Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. 
During the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the 
ball away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats do 
not tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a bad 
thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other side and sets up 
their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
Nick
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are entitled 
to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like facts and stats 
that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring them and accusing 
others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If you think 16% is 
“frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against committed (albeit 
limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats you would expect 
from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain you say you feel 
from watching one of our most improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we 
all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind 
people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and 
smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.

From: Richard Walker 
Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 

Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they don't 
include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.

I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.

First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and you 
could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.

I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.

It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's faults 
in a match and get all abusive and start crying particular on Twitter however 
there are 1 or 2 snowflakes on here. Come on, grow up FFS.

On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 09:01:10 BST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Most of the game Phillips sat in midfield with noone anywhere near him. During 
the game I told the boy I could sit there and do that too and give the ball 
away less (some hyperbole there of course). With Rich a bit here, stats do not 
tell everything. 100 short passes looks great and is not necessarily a bad 
thing but when 4/5 through balls go straight to the other side and sets up 
their attack there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
Nick
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 05:48:08 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are entitled 
to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like facts and stats 
that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring them and accusing 
others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If you think 16% is 
“frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against committed (albeit 
limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats you would expect 
from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain you say you feel 
from watching one of our most improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we 
all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind 
people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and 
smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.

From: Richard Walker 
Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 

Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they don't 
include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.

I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.

First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and you 
could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.

I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.

It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's faults 
in a match and get all abusive and start crying particular on Twitter however 
there are 1 or 2 snowflakes on here. Come on, grow up FFS.

On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 09:01:10 BST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Fake News
On Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 04:01:16 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Richard Naef]

I’m definitely a snowflake and I hug trees and don’t wash regularly, but when 
deciding on things I prefer facts to opinions, which of course you are entitled 
to have and express on an open forum.  Of course you don’t like facts and stats 
that contradict your opinions, who does, but just ignoring them and accusing 
others of getting upset is a bit rich (pun intended).  If you think 16% is 
“frequent” in the context of a fast flowing match against committed (albeit 
limited) opponents, can you give us an example of the stats you would expect 
from an ABOVE average player, one that would reduce the pain you say you feel 
from watching one of our most improved and committed players?  C’mon Rich, we 
all know your schtick on here & Twitter is to be angry and contrarian to wind 
people up, but you’re amongst friends here, just once, just for us, crack and 
smile and gives us a WHOOP – promise we won’t tell anyone.

From: Richard Walker 
Sent: 14 August 2019 10:37
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 

Subject: Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they don't 
include his shot that went over the stand in the first half.

I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes.

First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and you 
could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover.

I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL.

It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's faults 
in a match and get all abusive and start crying particular on Twitter however 
there are 1 or 2 snowflakes on here. Come on, grow up FFS.

On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 09:01:10 BST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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Re: [LU] Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 stats are stats and looking at those they mean nothing. For instance they 
don't include his shot that went over the stand in the first half. 
I'd prefer to go with what I saw and overall I thought Philips did ok with a 
definite improvement in the second half with one or two really good passes. 
First half though, he was dreadful. His passing was all over the place, 
frequently giving the ball away (that must have been the 16% inaccurate 
passes). The most worrying thing is when he got done for pace by Towell and you 
could see he just didn't have the acceleration to recover. 
I like Philips, he's a local lad and he's doing ok at this moment in time but 
let's have a reality check. Some fans are saying he could be England captain 
whereas I think he's a good championship player and would struggle in the PL. 
It makes me laugh when fans get all upset when you point out a player's faults 
in a match and get all abusive and start crying particular on Twitter however 
there are 1 or 2 snowflakes on here. Come on, grow up FFS. 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 09:01:10 BST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Kalvin Phillips vs. Salford City:

128 touches (most) 
99 successful passes (most) 
84% pass accuracy
15 successful long passes
5 ball recoveries
2 chances created
2 accurate crosses
2 shots on-target

Defensive midfielder.
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