On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:55 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Sep 1, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Liz wrote:
The complete lack of any arguments left in the brains of the pro-ODbL
lobby
shows in the complete falling apart of any discussion on this list, with
previously thoughtful people
On 2 September 2010 02:25, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote:
maps are expressly treated as artistic works by s.4(2)(a) of the
Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 (to give a UK perspective).
Pretty much the same thing in the
Am 02.09.2010 09:49, schrieb Florian Lohoff:
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 03:55:15PM -0600, SteveC wrote:
Um, no, just all the smart people are kind of bored by you and your friends
so we don't participate in the mindless circular 'debates' you engender any
more. So all we have left on the list is
On 09/02/2010 05:09 AM, Eric Jarvies wrote:
On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Anthony wrote:
If ODbL were CC-BY-SA for databases, I'd be in favor of it.
+1
ODbL *is* share-alike for databases, with attribution.
What it isn't is share-alike for produced works.
Even BY-SA doesn't cover
(Replying to two messages at once as they seem related)
Anthony wrote:
But it's quite a leap from some databases (e.g. white pages)
are non-copyrightable in some jurisdictions and databases
are non-copyrightable. In fact, I'd say it's quite plainly false.
Oh, absolutely. Copyright and
On 01/09/10 22:55, SteveC wrote:
On Sep 1, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Liz wrote:
The complete lack of any arguments left in the brains of the pro-ODbL lobby
shows in the complete falling apart of any discussion on this list, with
previously thoughtful people concentrating on personal attacks on
TimSC wrote:
I would have hoped the guy who established moderation on the lists
would have thought to avoid insulting people. Will the other
moderators do their job or just rally round Steve, regardless what
he says on the list?
There are no other moderators. Apart from Steve's
On 09/02/2010 11:24 AM, TimSC wrote:
1) How is the future direction of OSM determined? Community consensus?
OSMF committees with OSMF votes? Something else?
Consensus decision making doesn't mean a 100% plebiscite vote or
minority veto power. It means an honest attempt to converge on a
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:39:11 +0100, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 09/02/2010 11:24 AM, TimSC wrote:
1) How is the future direction of OSM determined? Community consensus?
OSMF committees with OSMF votes? Something else?
Consensus decision making doesn't mean a 100% plebiscite vote
On 09/02/2010 12:55 PM, TimSC wrote:
The question I was asking was primarily about HOW we reach that
consensus, which you did not address. If you had specifically answered
my questions, it would have helped.
My understanding (such as it is) of how OSM works comes from having
watched it
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 09/02/2010 05:09 AM, Eric Jarvies wrote:
On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Anthony wrote:
If ODbL were CC-BY-SA for databases, I'd be in favor of it.
+1
ODbL *is* share-alike for databases, with attribution.
What it isn't
Rob Myers wrote:
On 09/02/2010 12:55 PM, TimSC wrote:
The question I was asking was primarily about HOW we reach that
consensus, which you did not address. If you had specifically answered
my questions, it would have helped.
My understanding (such as it is) of how OSM works comes from having
On 09/02/2010 04:00 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Rob Myersr...@robmyers.org wrote:
ODbL *is* share-alike for databases, with attribution.
What it isn't is share-alike for produced works.
And what it also isn't, is CC-BY-SA for databases.
It provides attribution and
Anthony wrote:
Given your arguments on this list, I'd guess you're quite prepared
to believe anything that might help prevent you from admitting
that you are wrong.
At this point the argument has departed from factual/philosophical to ad
hominems, so I'll bow out. To anyone who's listened,
Its quite incredible that you can't be bothered to read the output of the LWG
but are quite happy to make demands of them.
They're volunteers just like the rest of us.
Have fun,
Steve | stevecoast.com
On Sep 2, 2010, at 5:52 AM, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
To LWG,
- Original Message -
From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Noise vs unanswered questions
On 09/02/2010 04:16 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:
There was some
discussion on how the group
On 2 Sep 2010, at 4:52 , TimSC wrote:
To LWG,
cc legal talk
You have not provided an acknowledgement of my recent emails of 11th Aug,
18th Aug (beyond Grant's message of 27th July). Obviously, you are busy but I
also don't have time to keep going through my emails and your minutes to
On 2 September 2010 12:52, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:
To LWG,
cc legal talk
You have not provided an acknowledgement of my recent emails of 11th Aug,
18th Aug (beyond Grant's message of 27th July). Obviously, you are busy but
I also don't have time to keep going
Hi,
Anthony wrote:
C'mon, that's what weak copyleft means. Not viral for some types of
derived works.
If that is indeed the definition of weak copyleft - and I'd like you
to cite a source on that - then we're changing from one sort of weak
copyleft license to another sort of weak copyleft
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
So BY-SA is not reciprocal in every use case at every conceptual level of
abstraction either. And there are cases where this doesn't fit people's
expectations, notably in illustration (photographic and otherwise) as I've
said.
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
Anthony wrote:
C'mon, that's what weak copyleft means. Not viral for some types of
derived works.
If that is indeed the definition of weak copyleft - and I'd like you to
cite a source on that - then we're
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
So when you extract the data, you have not extracted
anything that is covered by BY-SA. Any database you create as a result is
therefore not covered by BY-SA, so the ODbL applies without clashing. And
the user knows this
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