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where
he's got the data from - not us data providers.
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treatment of
the work if that damages his reputation. Not the author may choose not
to be mentioned in connection with the work if someone decides to use it
in conjunction with human excrements for an art installation or so ;-)
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that it might cancel out the advantages.
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database in this
picture and if yes, where? If you save as .pdf - any difference?
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this database have to be published along
with my integrated experience?
I'm not asking about what the current license draft says, I'm asking
what we (the community) want from the user of our data in such cases.
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Hi,
SteveC wrote:
Subject: License License License
Can we hear that as a limerick? ;-)
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... this whole discussion is, once again, getting into the
negative, with us discussing all sorts of evil uses that have to be
safeguarded against by implementing measures that will be a burden to
everyone, evil or not evil.)
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provision about the
type of license you want to use derived data under, I guess it should be
possible to create any data that way.
Then again, we wouldn't want Yahoo to get all scared and say if that is
the case then we'd rather re-read our terms again...
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for integrated experiences.
But still the one extra level difference remains and could only be
removed by asking users to contribute directly to Cool New Database.
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though, might be completely off. Mikel Maron is the guy who
had the talks with Yahoo so he's probably best suited to give you details.
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Ivan,
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
Right now, the wording of the ODbL includes the word public a few more
times
than I think it's neccesary, so it works differently (i.e. I think it doesn't
pass the DFSG dissident test).
I agree - could you add something about that dissident test on the
Hi,
Simon Ward wrote:
Merely processing into a different format needs to be clarified. If
someone takes OSM ways + nodes + relations and imports it into PostGIS
without changing any of it, I see that as processing into a different
format. I believe that PostGIS DB should be freely
Hi,
Simon Ward wrote:
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 06:20:32PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
I cannot speak for everyone, but I do think that the general idea is to make
the ODbL work like a copyleft license (i.e. you're required to distribute
the source data only to the people you distribute
Hi,
let's try to sort this out, I think I still not get your point fully.
Simon Ward wrote:
I’m about creating a world map that’s free for the world and remains
free for the world.
I'll recap the typical concept behind that: If our database were PD then
it would be free but it would not
by osm2pgsql. (Seems I misunderstood you, I thought
you denied that idea.)
Next question... do we *want* that?
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to someone whom I pay to do something with it for
me - as if he were my employee, and (b) giving a data base to a customer
to use as he pleases.
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your point is.
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Hi,
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
putting several
layers together is not considered a derivative work but a collaborative work,
collective
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Hi,
It's not like the current Creative Commons license for OSM forbids
commercial use.
This is true but some commercial uses might become un-viable because of
the SA license.
My standard example is this:
Assume you spend half a year making a nice hiking atlas from OSM data,
putting a lot
whether TeleAtlas or whoever use my data
for their commercial gain, as long as I have full access freedom myself.
Sure, Google could pull all our PD data into their Map Maker... but I'd
read that as a compliment.
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Hi,
The right place would obviously be user Pranas' inbox. Have you at least
made an attempt talking to him before demanding, in public, that all his
contributions should be deleted?
I have to admit that the very detailed examples that Albertas brought up in
his mail, do look convincing
Hi,
Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
Now the question is if these data can be used. These is this document
about terms of use:
http://dataservice.eea.europa.eu/dataservice/termsofuse.asp
... which explicitly prohibits commercial use unless the agency has
expressly granted the right to do so.
Then in
it for granted that we can use them. So if the
government puts up signs that have the names of 10 streets on them,
like your example does, we can obviuosly use them as well.
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by a contributor.
I'm setting a Followup to legal-talk as such things aren't generally of
interest to people on talk.
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my birthplace, and my parent's house...?
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that there was broad support for it, we would now be one
happy project with all the legal hassles out of the way? It's not to
late to see the light!
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(e.g. forcing people to stick to certain
tagging rules or mapping techniques, forcing edits through a review
process, defining centrally which WMS backgrounds are allowable and
which aren't, etc.). Maybe the world is just not ready for truly open
geodata ;-)
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in the database that are likely to be factual and
excluded from the scope of copyright and the Creative Commons license.
(unqoute)
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Is it relevant to us?
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than copyleft.
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and the other mappers, each of whom
might have a different idea.
And with these words I hand over to Richard F who will tell you how
all this is hoped to improve in the future :-)
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on it, thus avoiding importing it to
OSM; *maybe* it would try to put only stuff on the tiles where OSM
hasn't got its own data so this would make an nice extension to OSM
without license problems. But all this is very vague at the moment.
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wants.
I'm not saying this is good, or your idea is bad, I'm just saying I
think it is unworkable with the current license.
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one about the guy
writing invoices was real.
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(PS: Could we please simply go PD because then I wouldn't have to
waste anyone's time with questions like this...?)
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to
make a German translation for the folks on talk-de?
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osm.org (e.g. informationfreeway,
cyclemap, ...) whom you cannot force to use your technical solution?
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that their work is not lost to the project. Sounds easiest
to me. Those who don't do that will be included in the general license
change E-Mail process later.
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for non-European
jurisdictions then apply here as well (i.e. I extract the data and
breach the contract, publish it, another guy uses it)?
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Hi,
there is, in my opinion, nothing ethically
wrong with putting a value on intellectual work and demanding
compensation (money, attribution, sex, ...) for it.
Entirely new licensing options come to mind!
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Hi,
On 20.02.2008, at 20:37, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hm. Suppose we used a restrictive copyleft license lice the ODL,
but at
the same time said that 12 months after being last edited, we release
stuff into the public domain.
[...]
Maybe we can find a compromise along these lines
.
No, because coypright applies to the Linux kernel, and the US law
does recognize that very well. The problem arises only with stuff
that is not copyrightable, such as factual data, onto which you try
to add restrictions.
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be captured by evil guys.
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and claim that they are
important pillars of the project and have been chosen after long
and thorough consideration. This is the first time we actually have a
community process going where we try to find the license that serves
us best.
Or at least I thought we had.
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Hi,
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:52:24AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Let us drop all this nonsense and concentrate on drawing up the moral
guidelines - saying what we consider ok and what not - instead of
fantasizing about having legal powers to enforce anything.
I don't get it : you go
, and you are recorded as having changed
all of the selected objects even if only some of them changed).
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data or the non-free competition product any less ideological?
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