Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Rob Myers wrote: In the US, the FSF are very careful to say that the GPL is a license, not a contract. The proposed ODbL, on the other hand, is very careful to point out that it wants to be a license as well as a contract... so maybe that's not the best path to go down then? Bye

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-19 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: Rob Myers wrote: In the US, the FSF are very careful to say that the GPL is a license, not a contract. The proposed ODbL, on the other hand, is very careful to point out that it wants to be a license as well as a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-18 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:26:21PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: So if we can't get rid of the click-through is not the question. Replace it by if we cannot find a license that works without clicktrough. Well, there ain't none. Sorry, I'm over-simplifying.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I see the click-through is still in! Doesn't anybody else think this is completely insane? An Open License with a click through? The license text didn't have anything about click-through, click- wrap, browse-wrap or whatever, it only had the bit about being a contract. If either the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: If either the current license draft or the brief brief mean that in the future, OSM data may only be offered after displaying a note to the user and requesting him to click ok (or the equivalent in other media), then this would be a significant drawback compared to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what we want is suitable as some kind of ethics/morality stick we can use to beat people who misbehave, even if they misbehave within the envelope of the law. I hope this thread has something to do with punishing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: clicktrough is the embodiment of impracticality. Yes. Using the data should require no agreement. Distributing modifications (and by distributing I mean exposing in any way to users not employed or subcontracted by your

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Click-through

2008-10-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: So if we can't get rid of the click-through is not the question. Replace it by if we cannot find a license that works without clicktrough. Well, there ain't none. Sorry, I'm over-simplifying. But the question is really simple, it's just the answer that's