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On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:39:46 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Gremmen
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote:
No, a license cannot protect any work or restrict what one can do with the
work. It can only give permissions. Of course, these permissions might
have some conditions (like BY-SA). The protection comes from the law
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
Rob Myers r...@... writes:
What seems to throw people when we are talking about geodata in a
database rather than a collection of poems/photos/songs is the
granularity of the contents. But it doesn't really matter whether we
On 25 November 2010 17:39, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote:
The position is a fact, name is a fact, cuisine they serve is a fact,
along with the other details.
Facts cannot be copyright. Creative Commons licences are not designed
for factual
On 11/25/2010 07:50 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote:
3) I don’t care if anybody copies our data for any reason,
Do you care if they prevent other people from doing the same?
because any other company will do the same,
Well, yes, that's what the licences allow them
-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Rob Myers
Verzonden: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:36 AM
Aan: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 11/25/2010 07:50 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
wrote:
3) I don't care if anybody copies
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:56:54 +, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 11/25/2010 01:33 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
wrote:
That is turning reality upside down.
The only reason
for any license is to restrict any user of data/map/dbase or
whatever the license is
Matthias Julius
Verzonden: Thursday, November 25, 2010 4:47 PM
Aan: Licensing and other legal discussions.
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:56:54 +, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
On 11/25/2010 01:33 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes:
Database copyright arises when the database is the author's own
intellectual creation. That means that some design or creativity has
to have gone into the database - it can't simply be an assemblage of
facts.
Database right arises when there is a
The position is a fact, name is a fact, cuisine they serve is a fact,
along with the other details.
Facts cannot be copyright. Creative Commons licences are not designed
for factual information.
[GG]
I agree with that, and no facts can be protected by any law.
Creativity is used in the
Grant Slater openstreet...@... writes:
The relationship between ODbL and DbCL is not very clear and I'm not
convinced that lawyers really understand the distinction between a database
and it's content.
Database definition as per the ODbL (definition modelled on EU
Database Directive 96/9/EC):
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
Rob Myers r...@... writes:
I work with databases every day and I don't understand how the 'database'
versus 'contents' distinction is meant to apply to maps and to OSM in
particular.
Imagine a database of names, song
On 23 November 2010 11:33, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed, using something that is so novel and untested as ODbL to license
OSM's work is foolish. Especially given that copyright as applied to maps
is well established and have been in use for a couple of hundred years.
Dear Etienne,
Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@... writes:
Amusingly enough, I don't know of any map providers using copyrights to protect
their data.
All map providers use copyright to protect their data. Look at any map online
or offline and you will see a copyright notice, for example
Map data (c) 2010
On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the
data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale
photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them
On 23 November 2010 13:23, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or
the
data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale
On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or
the
data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale
photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them
On 23 November 2010 12:46, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
If I remember correctly, UK have recently excluded databases from copyright
protection since 1997 due to the introduction of the European database law (
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/UK_Database_Law for more
On 23 November 2010 14:14, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is some data:
node id=915100779 lat=51.5798222 lon=-0.3341762 version=2
changeset=6058195 user=Walter Schlögl uid=78656 visible=true
timestamp=2010-10-16T14:40:13Z
tag k=name v=McDonald's/
tag k=amenity v=fast_food/
tag
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes:
If I remember correctly, UK have recently excluded databases from copyright
protection since 1997
Not quite. A database may attract either database right, copyright or
both. The change to database copyright (as opposed to database right)
is that copyright in a
Grant Slater openstreet...@... writes:
A database may attract either database right, copyright or
both. The change to database copyright (as opposed to database right)
is that copyright in a database has a harmonised subsistence threshold
across Europe (own intellectual creation).
Does this
On 23 November 2010 14:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
No copyright and database-right are not universal the world over,
Yes - it's my understanding that the sui generis database right exists only in
Europe - is that so?
What difference does it make? It does not effect ODbL and that is
On 23 November 2010 15:22, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
On 23 November 2010 14:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
No copyright and database-right are not universal the world over,
Yes - it's my understanding that the sui generis database right exists only
in
Europe -
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes:
To answer some of the questions raised by my comment (and not just this one).
The sui generis database right exists only in the EU and the EEA.
All countries with the sui generis database right have harmonised the
threshold for database copyright as I have
On 23 November 2010 19:50, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
To be precise a database right is earned when there is a substantial
investment in obtaining, verifying or presenting the contents of the
Yes. I was deliberately avoiding side-tracking the discussion onto the
nature of the investment - I'm
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