Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
Re: the book edit portal - I do not have control over the platform it is being edited on. The handbook project was launched by people in Berlin's CryptoParty, and I was brought on board at a later point. On 9/10/12 9:30 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: @samthetechie Why were you offended? Did

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
My biggest concern is with getting insecure suggestion out of the book asap. Jake, if the entire chapter is worse than useless, please delete it? x. Asher On 9/10/12 9:36 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: The chapter that talked about using PPTP is straight up crazy talk. Anyone using PPTP is worse

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
On 9/10/12 9:46 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I'm sorry to say it but a lot of the users have been here for a while - most people that use crypto just don't know they're doing it. Ironically, if users don't get good advice, they'll just be in the same spot - thinking they're safe when they're

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 05:43:46AM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: Did anyone try this with devices that are supposed to be resistant to file shredding due to wear leveling? I tried the following on two USB keys, one ~12 years old, another ~6 years old, both formatted as FAT32: echo

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7 Oct 2012, at 22:35, Brian Conley wrote: Greg its called orbot and it runs on Android. Secondly I used to agree with you, but I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that user education, not simplification, is the more important piece of

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
I still haven't understood the canonical url for editing - can you tell me where the main book editing page is? I agree with Adam that Github won't involve the right people but if that is the only interface, I'll fork the book and send a pull request. Thanks, please list issues here:

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:41 PM, D J Capelis djcape...@cs.ucsc.edu wrote: I like the part where you say the problem is easy and then point to a solution with issues that make it anything but easy, tenable or workable. Why? The solution (if you refer to cables in Liberté) is

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
On 9/10/12 10:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I did not work on the technical aspects of the book. I cannot. I do not have the right skill set. This attitude, I think, is a key issue this community and many others face. You cannot? Or you will not? I believe that you are totally able to

[liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread Katy P
Best practices for traveling to an internet-hostile regime. There is a lot of variance - obviously the regime's capabilities as well as one's own visibility come into play. And, if it isn't obvious, I'm not a security expert. This is not official, legal advice. Everyone needs to research this on

Re: [liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread Parker Higgins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Katy, Excellent list. Sorry I'm late to the game, but if you're traveling to one Internet hostile regime in particular -- and here, I'm referring to the US -- you or others may find this EFF whitepaper on border crossing to be useful.

Re: [liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread Fran Parker
Thanks Parker! I was hoping someone would post some of these best practices as an article or white paper link. On 10/9/12 1:28 PM, Parker Higgins wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Katy, Excellent list. Sorry I'm late to the game, but if you're traveling to one Internet

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb: On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:46, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Asher Wolf: The argument everyone is politely avoiding - while pondering the numerous ways CryptoParty will expose already compromised individuals - is whether the masses SHOULD use crypto. I'm not ignoring it

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Asher Wolf: On 9/10/12 10:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I did not work on the technical aspects of the book. I cannot. I do not have the right skill set. This attitude, I think, is a key issue this community and many others face. You cannot? Or you will not? I believe that you are

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Nick Daly
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Maxim Kammerer: Even the CryptoHeaven solution that I criticized above is good, discarding minor issues that can be easily fixed, and discarding what's apparently a security-usability tradeoff decision: not

Re: [liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread liberationtech
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:23:58 -0700 Katy P katyca...@gmail.com wrote: Best practices for traveling to an internet-hostile regime. There is a lot of variance - obviously the regime's capabilities as well as one's own visibility come into play. https://ssd.eff.org/ is a fine start for most

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread D J Capelis
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:41 PM, D J Capelis djcape...@cs.ucsc.edu wrote: I like the part where you say the problem is easy and then point to a solution with issues that make it anything but easy, tenable or workable. Why?

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada
On 12-10-09 10:41 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: ttscanada: On 12-10-09 4:23 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Sending a PGP encrypted e-mail to you mom, should be as easy as sending an un-encrypted e-mail to your mom. But the education of why you should be sending an e-mail encrypted should also

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada
Case in point: I received an invitation under the names of five separate organizations I am affiliated with (none of which are OWS related) to fill this out. It originally said real name required, was changed to alias after I objected publicly, but the rest still stands.

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nick Daly: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Maxim Kammerer: Even the CryptoHeaven solution that I criticized above is good, discarding minor issues that can be easily fixed, and discarding what's apparently a security-usability tradeoff decision: not

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Brian Conley
Thanks for the interesting discussion, but its gone far afield from the original question. Does cryptoheaven seem like a reasonable tool to depend on for journalists or businesses requiring security for their communications? Is it notably better or worse than gmail if you are not concerned about

Re: [liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Lindsay Beck lb...@ndi.org wrote: Disclosure: TAILS relies on BIOS for operability, and thus can have challenges functioning on newer computers that utilize UEFI without legacy support for BIOS. For anyone interested: Liberté Linux already has full UEFI support

Re: [liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread Steve Weis
I hadn't seen Tails before and don't know how baked it is as a project. I just tried it out and found an exploitable vulnerability in their configuration that would allow someone to compromise the system. It's a corner case and not likely to impact many systems, but is a well known problem. I've

Re: [liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Lindsay Beck lb...@ndi.org wrote: Disclosure: TAILS relies on BIOS for operability, and thus can have challenges functioning on newer computers that utilize UEFI without legacy support for BIOS. For anyone interested: Liberté Linux already has

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada
On 12-10-09 1:53 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Heather Marsh: Yes, you are outlining two cases where you are communicating with people you know as a person known to them. I am suggesting we (as in large scale movements around the world) need to look more closely at data driven (as opposed to

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Nick Daly
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Thanks for the interesting discussion, but its gone far afield from the original question. Does cryptoheaven seem like a reasonable tool to depend on for journalists or businesses requiring security for their communications? The answer to

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Nick Daly
Correction. I completely misspoke: I read public as private, and need to completely re-analyze cryptoheaven's setup. If you're the only custodian of your private key, then you're probably fairly safe. Again, I need to completely review and revise what I wrote. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:55 PM,