Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-15 Thread Richard
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 07:12:24PM -0400, Tom Ritter wrote: On 14 August 2013 18:01, Richard r...@linux-m68k.org wrote: On the other end of the paranoia scale I would like to remind folks of the the mixmaster remailer chaining technique which does much more than plain encryption - as far as I

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-14 Thread Tom Ritter
On 9 August 2013 18:16, Seth David Schoen sch...@eff.org wrote: If you think governments are likely to use their own CAs for spying by issuing fraudulent certificates, you want to remove trust for those CAs _in your web browser_. Having a valid, correct, and publicly issued certificate from

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-14 Thread Ralph Holz
Hi Tom Aside from StartCom (free) most CAs have roughly the same price and service. Since service is equivalent, you're free to choose a CA based on your political opinion, and not worry about missing out on 'features'. It's basically like voting in an election - elections are won by tens

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-14 Thread Tom Ritter
On 14 August 2013 18:01, Richard r...@linux-m68k.org wrote: On the other end of the paranoia scale I would like to remind folks of the the mixmaster remailer chaining technique which does much more than plain encryption - as far as I can see it is theoretically completely untraceable. That

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-10 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
Griffin, The more this gets fleshed out on list - the more it departs from any vestige of email and then you're basically talking about shoe-horning a different architectural beast into a transport protocol we happen to know. (I'm not saying ~you~ are planning that - just making an observation of

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-10 Thread Richard
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 05:07:26PM -0400, Tim Prepscius wrote: If you'd like to help me that would be cool.. My take on this is this: (these are are not all my ideas, can't take full credit) We want to get to a state where an e-mail server is easy to set up. And runs with *non

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-09 Thread Hans of Guardian
I think there would be some value to a system like that. It would address a lot of real world threats but it will not address large scale government monitoring systems, which many governments have (US, China, UK, Iran, etc). Sounds like you should team up with Tim Prepscius with his system

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-09 Thread Tim Prepscius
If you'd like to help me that would be cool.. My take on this is this: (these are are not all my ideas, can't take full credit) We want to get to a state where an e-mail server is easy to set up. And runs with *non governmental* issued ssl certificates. Where it provides web-mail (think

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-09 Thread Richard
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 02:07:25PM -0400, Griffin Boyce wrote: This probably sounds very strange, but *what if* someone ran an email service that required that all mails be GPG encrypted? I did long wish for a system that would send every non-GPG message to the spamfolder. Richard --- Name

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-09 Thread David Holl
ooh, I love this discussion. I'll drop in my quick points, and would love to hear other perspectives. 2 points: 1) Is there a milter that could be plugged into existing SMTP servers (sendmail, postfix, ...) that could require OpenPGP encapsulation, and immediately reject messages back to

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-09 Thread Seth David Schoen
Tim Prepscius writes: We want to get to a state where an e-mail server is easy to set up. And runs with *non governmental* issued ssl certificates. I think this might reflect a misperception of the threat model around misissuance of certificates. If you think governments are likely to use

Re: [liberationtech] [guardian-dev] An email service that requires GPG/PGP?

2013-08-09 Thread Tim Prepscius
I'd like to respond to this just a bit. 1. requiring PGP without giving a user centric means of using PGP doesn't actually solve anything. It's like telling an adult they have to eat stinky tofu. If they love stinky tofu then fine, but if they don't, there is no way it's going to happen. I