Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-13 Thread Karl Fogel
fl...@pgm.com writes: Thanks to Ali-Reza for reposting Dr. Dey's reply. If you are looking for lowest-cost short to medium range communications using ham radio, Android phones are not the answer. You still need VHF or UHF radio hardware. There are at least 20 radio manufacturers in China that

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-11 Thread flane
No one seems to have answered the OP's query. Yes, there are varying degrees of support within the amateur radio community for doing actual public good with the technology but that's a separate problem. The short answer is no, the various software packages for Android, iPhone, Blackberry etc.

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-11 Thread flane
Thanks to Ali-Reza for reposting Dr. Dey's reply. If you are looking for lowest-cost short to medium range communications using ham radio, Android phones are not the answer. You still need VHF or UHF radio hardware. There are at least 20 radio manufacturers in China that make small

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:36:41PM +, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: I have one answer: Amateur radio. Forget mobile phone networks. Amateur radio is cheap, very durable and will provide you with the functions you need, and if you can get access to amateur radio operators in your

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread Griffin Boyce
How far is the distance being covered, and in what kind of terrain (flat plains, hills)? HAM might not even be necessary if it's fairly close (relatively speaking). GMRS radios can cover several miles. Other small/cheap handhelds can cover a couple of miles in ideal conditions. Having said

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/06/2013 05:41 PM, Sky (Jim Schuyler) wrote: The Byzantium Project folks (wi-fi mesh) have some amateur operators among their numbers and might also have opinions on how easy it is to We do. get folks licensed, and also on edge connections

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2013 03:02 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: The whole ham culture and liberation technologies do not really mix. Unfortunately, this has been my experience as well. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium:

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hea Doctor, On 7 Mar 2013, at 16:38, The Doctor wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2013 03:02 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: The whole ham culture and liberation technologies do not really mix. Unfortunately, this

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread Carlo Cosmatos
They exist a lot of digital modes used by the amateur radio operators, but the speeds are very low, from 31,25 baud to 64bps for the traditional modes. (PSK, MFSK, PACTOR, RTTY are mostly used, obviously for chatting, while the APRS is mainly used for the identification and localization of a

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Eugen, On 7 Mar 2013, at 08:02, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:36:41PM +, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: I have one answer: Amateur radio. Forget mobile phone networks. Amateur radio is cheap, very durable and will

[liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-07 Thread Erich M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2013 07:31 PM, Sky (Jim Schuyler) wrote: Nice, Erich. In a sense, radio waves are the -ultimate- in liberation, crossing national boundaries in (single or multiple) bounds. That may be a subrosa reason governments fight so hard to

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-06 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
I'm assuming privacy issues are of minimal concern given the other problems at play here - I could be wrong but bear with me. Trying to think of lowest-cost, reliable, easiest to expand and re-deploy without a telco or other licensing. I wonder is a low-bandwidth text HF APRS (

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-06 Thread Sky (Jim Schuyler)
Your APRS idea is interesting and I only know it from the positioning side, not from passing any text, so you may want to continue looking into it. I do not know that APRS is currently passing any traffic other than positions, at least as used in the US. I also do not know whether it's used

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-06 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Howdy AA6AX, Nice to meet you. On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:09, Sky (Jim Schuyler) wrote: Your APRS idea is interesting and I only know it from the positioning side, not from passing any text, so you may want to continue looking into it. I do not know

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-06 Thread Sky (Jim Schuyler)
Thanks, Bernard for the info on APRS. I am out of date as I don't use it. You are especially right that here in the US it's easy to get a Technician license, which is the entry-level amateur license issued by the FCC. It takes maybe 3 hours of study and a 30-minute test. I'd guess you have

[liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-05 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Dr. Tusharkanti Dey dr.tusharkanti...@gmail.com Dear All, I am proposing to set up a ICT based health project in tribal areas with poor infrastructural facilities with poor cell phone connectivity due to unstable signal strengths. i have learnt that HAM radio software from HamSphere is

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-05 Thread ITechGeek
Depends on what information you might be transmitting and the specific laws of the local country/countries involved. HAMs have to be licensed through the local countries licensing authority (in the case of the US would be the FCC). Under US you could probably get away with allowing them to

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

2013-03-05 Thread Sky (Jim Schuyler)
Since HAM (amateur radio) is real radio, not phone, an Android app wouldn't use it directly. The app might -control- an amateur radio remotely, and there is software available to do this. However, I'm not sure what benefit it would bring to this project. In the US, amateur radio operators must