Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-06-08 Thread Pavol Luptak
Some information yoy may consider to be interesting: 1. It is possible to buy completely anonymous SIM cards (with data roaming that works everywhere in Europe including the UK) in Czech Republic. For 1.2 GB roaming data it costs about 800 Kc (31 €) monthly. I've already activated it for some of

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-06-03 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 10:16:20PM -0400, Nathan of Guardian wrote: In summary, if the focused threat you need to address is location tracking by carriers/operators, and you live in an area with a decent saturation of open wifi hotspots, I feel there is something you can do about it. Now your

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-06-02 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On 05/31/2013 08:57 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: That seems to have some clear potential privacy and security benefits, but if you use a MiFi with a 3G account registered in your own name, the carrier will still be able to track the location of the MiFi device itself and associate it with your

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-06-01 Thread Guido Witmond
Dear mr Schoen, On 01-06-13 02:57, Seth David Schoen wrote: Arvind Narayanan has just pushed a two-part paper in _IEEE Security Privacy_ about exactly this point: http://randomwalker.info/publications/crypto-dream-part1.pdf http://randomwalker.info/publications/crypto-dream-part2.pdf

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-31 Thread Seth David Schoen
Eugen Leitl writes: There might be use cases for using end-to-end encrypting VoIP phones on Mifi over 3G/4G (assuming you can penetrate the double NAT), as here both security compartments are separate. That seems to have some clear potential privacy and security benefits, but if you use a

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-27 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dan, (NB: This information is specific to GSM networks, it is probably 90% valid for CDMA networks, but not WiFi.) The short story is you cannot stop cell phone tracking. Cellular mobile phone networks require location and identity

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-25 Thread michi1
Hi! On 12:56 Fri 24 May , Yosem Companys wrote: From: Dan Gillmor d...@gillmor.com Given the vanishingly small likelihood that companies or governments will do anything about cell phone tracking, I'm interested in what countermeasures we can take individually. The obvious one is to turn

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-25 Thread ilf
Seth David Schoen: it can also be used in tracking but the tracking works well by triangulation. The tracking of Malte Spitz http://www.zeit.de/digital/datenschutz/2011-03/data-protection-malte-spitz used this process. Maltes stunt didn't even use triangulation, but only the normal network

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 02:19:05PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: I'm curious whether people in some countries have had success using wifi-only phones, including to make and receive calls by VoIP. There are ways that wifi can be more private in some ways in some situations compared to the

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:56:32PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: From: Dan Gillmor d...@gillmor.com Given the vanishingly small likelihood that companies or governments will do anything about cell phone tracking, I'm interested in what countermeasures we can take individually. The obvious one

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-24 Thread Gregory Foster
On 5/24/13 3:04 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:56:32PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: From: Dan Gillmor d...@gillmor.com Given the vanishingly small likelihood that companies or governments will do anything about cell phone tracking, I'm

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-24 Thread Seth David Schoen
Yosem Companys writes: From: Dan Gillmor d...@gillmor.com Given the vanishingly small likelihood that companies or governments will do anything about cell phone tracking, I'm interested in what countermeasures we can take individually. The obvious one is to turn off GPS except on rare

Re: [liberationtech] Cell phone tracking

2013-05-24 Thread Steve Weis
Regarding wifi-only phones, Euclid Analytics (http://euclidanalytics.com/product/how/), has developed router add-on software that can track consumers' mobile devices by MAC addresses. The routers send that data back to Euclid for aggregation. There are other companies working on similar ideas. I