Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-31 Thread Mark Ballard
Google is not transparent about it. It started doing this with Gmail too. It didn't ask my permission. It didn't tell me what it was doing. If you click on a link from within one of your own personal emails, it opens via a Google redirect. Yes, Google already handles your mail. But you trust it

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-31 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Welcome to what Gilles Deleuze called les sociétés de contrôle https://files.nyu.edu/dnm232/public/deleuze_postcript.pdf www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIus7lm_ZK0 BTW, as you can see, Youtube (also owned by Google) carries a message decoding it.. Ergo, they don't care. It's not you - just your

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-31 Thread Alster
Pranesh Prakash: I noticed recently that (all?) URLs sent via Google Hangouts automatically get replaced by a Google URL redirection (the way their search results do if you're logged in). That's not limited to when you're logged in. And Google is not transparent about it, in fact they

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-30 Thread Pranesh Prakash
I noticed recently that (all?) URLs sent via Google Hangouts automatically get replaced by a Google URL redirection (the way their search results do if you're logged in). I've not seen any documentation of this on Google's help pages, though. Sure, Google Hangouts doesn't sell itself on its

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-30 Thread Kyle Maxwell
Skype isn't transparent about it - you include a link in a chat and it looks normal and the people who click on it go directly to the URL provided. But Microsoft later visits it surreptitiously, despite the claims that nobody can read your content. Google is transparent about it - you include a

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-20 Thread Jon Camfield
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/18/2013 06:43 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: First: thanks for the followup/information/analysis. Most helpful. To follow up on what I'd mentioned as possible further things to test, yes it does follow redirects (but sadly does not follow looped

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-18 Thread Caspar Bowden (lists)
On 05/17/13 12:31, Rich Kulawiec wrote: ... And incidentally, the proffered rationale for this doesn't fly, given that (a) they're only sending HEAD: actually scanning destination URLs for malware et.al. would require fetching the whole page and (b) they're only retrieving HTTPS URLs (per Heise)

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-17 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:14:19PM +0530, Pranesh Prakash wrote: Heise Security is reporting that Microsoft accesses links sent over Skype chat.[1] Everyone who thinks that's the *only* thing that Microsoft is quietly doing behind everyone's back, raise your hand. And incidentally, the

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-17 Thread Jon Camfield
On 05/17/2013 07:31 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 09:14:19PM +0530, Pranesh Prakash wrote: Heise Security is reporting that Microsoft accesses links sent over Skype chat.[1] Everyone who thinks that's the *only* thing that Microsoft is quietly doing behind everyone's

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread Eduardo Robles Elvira
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Pranesh Prakash pran...@cis-india.org wrote: A Microsoft server accesses URLs sent in Skype chat messages, even if they are HTTPS URLs and contain account information. A reader of Heise publications notified Heise Security (link to German website, Google

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
I understand that the Skype traffic IS encrypted. The problem is that Skype itself (and now, Microsoft) holds the key, not the conversants.. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Eduardo Robles

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:04:11AM -0500, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: I understand that the Skype traffic IS encrypted. The problem is that Skype itself (and now, Microsoft) holds the key, not the conversants.. Yes, this is correct. There's a good lesson here in encryption, key

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/05/13 17:08, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:04:11AM -0500, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: I understand that the Skype traffic IS encrypted. The problem is that Skype itself (and now, Microsoft) holds the key,

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread Guido Witmond
On 14-05-13 18:08, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:04:11AM -0500, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: I understand that the Skype traffic IS encrypted. The problem is that Skype itself (and now, Microsoft) holds the key, not the conversants.. Yes, this is correct.

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread Tom Ritter
Tested it, got the following: HEAD /this_is_a_test2.html HTTP/1.1 from 65.52.100.214 with no User Agent. -tom On 14 May 2013 11:44, Pranesh Prakash pran...@cis-india.org wrote: Heise Security is reporting that Microsoft accesses links sent over Skype chat.[1] Here is the /. lede: A

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread Tom Ritter
Also, it came about two hours after I sent the link to a friend. -tom On 14 May 2013 14:39, Tom Ritter t...@ritter.vg wrote: Tested it, got the following: HEAD /this_is_a_test2.html HTTP/1.1 from 65.52.100.214 with no User Agent. -tom On 14 May 2013 11:44, Pranesh Prakash

Re: [liberationtech] Microsoft Accesses Skype Chats

2013-05-14 Thread ITechGeek
Anyone try searching for private links in bing yet? Sent from my iPad On May 14, 2013, at 14:41, Tom Ritter t...@ritter.vg wrote: Also, it came about two hours after I sent the link to a friend. -tom On 14 May 2013 14:39, Tom Ritter t...@ritter.vg wrote: Tested it, got the following: