Nathan,
You've probably explained this before, but what is the difference
between OSTN and RedPhone?
Thanks.
-Richard
On 06/21/2013 10:30 AM, Nathan of Guardian wrote:
On 06/20/2013 10:08 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
To the Skype promoters, apologists and deniers - I encourage you to
start
+1 Nathan. Jitsi is great, but does need more love and attention from
developers to be a real contender.
Skype got its foot hold on various communities because it's useful, usable,
and has (had?) an under-educated user base. The ongoing debate about their
terrible security practices will likely
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Microsoft, like many corporations, employs professional spokesliars
who are very, very good at crafting wording that can be defended
(should it come to that) but which doesn't present the truth in a
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That said, though, even if I'm right on all those points, that's
not going to stop people from using it. And that's where
*you're* right: I wish you weren't, but you are, and I don't know
how to fix
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On 03/22/2013 05:23 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
On 3/21/13 9:36 PM, Michael Carbone wrote:
Anyone looked into the reports that Skype leaks your IP address?
Apparently you do not have to interact with the person whose
location you are
Anthony Papillion:
On 03/22/2013 05:23 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
On 3/21/13 9:36 PM, Michael Carbone wrote:
Anyone looked into the reports that Skype leaks your IP
address? Apparently you do not have to interact with the person
whose location you are interested in to be able to get
On 03/22/2013 02:21 PM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Anthony Papillion:
On 03/22/2013 05:23 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
On 3/21/13 9:36 PM, Michael Carbone wrote:
Anyone looked into the reports that Skype leaks your IP
address? Apparently you do not have to interact with the person
whose
Anthony Papillion:
On 03/22/2013 02:21 PM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Anthony Papillion:
On 03/22/2013 05:23 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
On 3/21/13 9:36 PM, Michael Carbone wrote:
Anyone looked into the reports that Skype leaks your IP
address? Apparently you do not have to interact with the
On 03/22/2013 02:34 PM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Is this the same Script Kiddie Hack that was available for IQC a few
years ago? Don't you think that will solve itself?
Possibly. I've not read up on the details of it yet. But, regardless, it
does show that Skype leaks information that could be
On 3/22/13 3:21 PM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Is this the same Script Kiddie Hack that was available for IQC a few
years ago? Don't you think that will solve itself?
Not familiar with that hack...
This one essentially omits a few steps of the Skype client handshake and
the IP address is sent to
On 03/22/2013 03:25 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
On 3/22/13 3:21 PM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Is this the same Script Kiddie Hack that was available for IQC a few
years ago? Don't you think that will solve itself?
Not familiar with that hack...
This one essentially omits a few steps of
Anthony Papillion:
On 03/22/2013 03:25 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
On 3/22/13 3:21 PM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Is this the same Script Kiddie Hack that was available for IQC a few
years ago? Don't you think that will solve itself?
Not familiar with that hack...
This one essentially
On 03/22/2013 04:03 PM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Here in Europe IPs mostly change every 24h. Some need more time.
If you are quick enough the IP change is no problem.
ISP's usually store the IP's they have assigned to customers for a
certain period of time. Even if your IP changes, there is an
Louis Suárez-Potts:
One is tempted to suggest using other than Skype. Alternatives exist, and
these are secure, at least according to their claims. As well, Skype's code
is not transparent, in the way that other, open source, applications' are.
louis
What alternative do you exactly mean?
On 13-03-21, at 06:58 , Andreas Bader andreas.ba...@nachtpult.de wrote:
Louis Suárez-Potts:
One is tempted to suggest using other than Skype. Alternatives exist, and
these are secure, at least according to their claims. As well, Skype's code
is not transparent, in the way that other, open
On 03/21/2013 05:58 AM, Andreas Bader wrote:
Louis Suárez-Potts:
One is tempted to suggest using other than Skype. Alternatives exist, and
these are secure, at least according to their claims. As well, Skype's code
is not transparent, in the way that other, open source, applications' are.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:17:03PM -0400, Louis Su?rez-Potts wrote:
One is tempted to suggest using other than Skype. Alternatives exist,
and these are secure, at least according to their claims. As well,
Skype's code is not transparent, in the way that other, open source,
applications' are.
Rich, that's because you're not thinking like the average non-technical
user, who usually does the following:
The user hears from a friend that she can make calls for free over Skype.
So she clicks on the Skype link. Skype has millions of users, meaning it
will be around for a while. The Skype
+1 Yosem, except I take issue with the last point.
I don't think its always that superior technical solutions *can't* provide
better branding/usability, its that they choose NOT to, or in the past have
even demonized anyone who thinks there is value in such things.
luckily this is changing!
B
Yes. I meant that the superior technical solution could not provide
better branding/usability in my hypothetical example. There are
plenty of examples of superior technologies having great branding.
Case in point is Procter Gamble, which is successful in part because
it only makes marketing
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Anyone looked into the reports that Skype leaks your IP address?
Apparently you do not have to interact with the person whose location
you are interested in to be able to get their IP address.
That was one reason Diaspora did well initially. They focused on good
design and didn't open source that. There should be a civic Pivotal,
like a Mozilla, to help sound technical projects do great design.
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Brian Conley
One is tempted to suggest using other than Skype. Alternatives exist, and these
are secure, at least according to their claims. As well, Skype's code is not
transparent, in the way that other, open source, applications' are.
louis
On 13-03-20, at 22:39 , Eric S Johnson
Dear All
Just to let you know, I've just been interviewed by a man from the NYT/IHT
(European office) about the Skype Open Letter - he'll be writing a piece in a
week to ten days. I hope I said the right kind of thing…
Paul
Dr Paul Bernal
Lecturer
UEA Law School
University of East Anglia
Cool, this kind of media action cooperation worked very well.
In Italy (and in Italian) we made a press-release of Hermes Center (
http://logioshermes.org ) and broadcasted it to +50 journalists working
on internet-stuff and to all the major organization active on internet
privacy, digital rights
Also on NPR's Marketplace Tech Report:
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/tech/tweeting-videos-through-vine-should-skype-be-more-google
(Starting
at 1:40)
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Kelvin Quee (魏有豪) kel...@quee.org wrote:
Congratulations on making it to Slashdot! :)
What a great success, everyone! Congratulations! :-)
More media coverage ( 31 news sources so far, discounting Reddit and Hacker
News!)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57565690/activists-to-microsoft-who-is-requesting-our-skype-data/
It's out, everyone!
NK
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
The Open Letter to Skype is launching *Thursday, January 23rd 2013 at
9:00AM Eastern Time.*
Thanks to everyone who helped, with special thanks to Eva Galperin from
EFF. The petition will be
8:36 AM EST and https://skypeopenletter.com will not load. Times out.
However, http://www.skypeopenletter.com/ loads fine.
https not working I guess.
Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
It's out, everyone!
NK
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Nadim Kobeissina...@nadim.cc wrote:
The Open Letter to
My mistake! We do not have an HTTPS version.
NK
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Fran Parker lilba...@gmail.com wrote:
8:36 AM EST and https://skypeopenletter.com will not load. Times out.
However,
http://www.skypeopenletter.**com/http://www.skypeopenletter.com/loads fine.
https not
Is there a hashtag for this letter? Maybe just #skype to get the attention
of Skype users?
On Jan 24, 2013 5:32 PM, Martin Johnson greatf...@greatfire.org wrote:
Thanks a lot Nadim! Great work! Now let's spread this widely and force
Microsoft to respond.
Martin Johnson
Founder
First press hit:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/25/activists_demand_skype_transparency/
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AIDS Policy Project
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Martin Johnson greatf...@greatfire.orgwrote:
Thanks a lot Nadim! Great work! Now let's
It's had much wider coverage that just the Register the Verge (see a
selection below). I expect there will be a few more tomorrow, too, and
there will also be follow-ups when (if?) Microsoft substantively responds.
CNET:
I couldn't get there with the link provided so searched for Skype on The
Verge and got this link:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/24/3895002/an-open-letter-asks-whos-listening-in-on-skype-calls
Martin Johnson wrote:
Actually
Hi Percy!
I actually did a Chinese translation and put it here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kqo47jbMIZIcqjA9JuWGgSVzV_M_GQYGIa9Jewwsm68/edit
(I posted the text on my Google+ page http://goo.gl/IZLwQ and Sina Weibo.)
We can definitely collaborate on improving the translation!
Best,
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OpenITP will sign. Put me down individually, too.
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Jochai Ben-Avie joc...@accessnow.orgwrote:
and the basis for rejecting those requests it does not comply with.
Jochai,
Thanks for your helpful additions!
NK
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Hello Nadim,
Can you add me as an individual, please.
Thanks for the great work.
Ophelia Noor
On 21 January 2013 22:31, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
Everyone has been added, thank you!
NK
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Fran Parker lilba...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you add Fran
I would also be pleased to sign as an individual.
Chip Pitts
From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu
[mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Ophelia Noor
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:34 AM
To: liberationtech
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Skype Open
Nadim,
Valuable and much appreciated work. Please add my name as an individual
signatory. --Keith Hazelton
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on you to review the following draft for our Open
Hi Nadim,
Could you please add TagMeNot project TagMeNot.info to the
organizations list.
Best regards,
Alberto Cammozzo
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founder, TagMeNot.info
On 01/16/2013 05:58 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on you to review
Reporters Without Borders will stay signed on.
Good work !
Grégoire Pouget,
New Media Desk | Bureau Nouveaux Médias
GPG ID : 2BBC1ECE
Tel : +33 1 44 83 84 71
Reporters Without Borders http://en.rsf.org | Reporters sans
frontièreshttp://fr.rsf.org
Twitter (en) https://twitter.com/fightcensors_en
Alright everyone, the list has again been updated for today. Keep in mind
that I am updating the list once every 24 hours.
Deadline is Thursday!
NK
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:53 AM, A.Cammozzo a.cammo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Nadim,
Could you please add TagMeNot project TagMeNot.info to the
You can add my name.
Greg Norcie - PhD Student, Privacy Researcher
--
Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com)
GPG key: 0x1B873635
On 1/16/13 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter to Skype
Can you add Fran Parker as an individual please.
Thanks.
Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
Added. Thank you!
NK
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Martin Johnsongreatf...@greatfire.orgwrote:
GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.
Martin Johnson
Founder
Okay everyone,
the *final draft* has been posted online, with the gracious collaboration
of the EFF. Please take a look at it, make sure you want to keep your
signature there (or add it!)
http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
We'll be publishing next week.
NK
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:29 AM,
Looks good, Nadim. Abine will stay signed on (it's just Abine, not Abine
Software, though). And I'd like to sign as an individual (Sarah A. Downey,
Esq.).
Thanks!
-Sarah
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
Okay everyone,
the *final draft* has been posted
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Sarah A. Downey sa...@getabine.comwrote:
(Sarah A. Downey, Esq.
Done!
NK
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Good idea. I've added Bates's name as a recipient.
NK
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Gallagher r...@rjgallagher.co.ukwrote:
Good work, more concise than the previous version and something about the
general tone of the thing has been improved. Might it be worth also
publicly CCing
I like it - keep me on the letter.
Many thanks for all your work.
Paul
Dr Paul Bernal
Lecturer
UEA Law School
University of East Anglia
Norwich Research Park
Norwich NR4 7TJ
email: paul.ber...@uea.ac.ukmailto:paul.ber...@uea.ac.uk
Web: http://www.paulbernal.co.uk/
Blog:
I speak with people regularly at Microsoft, including their CPO.
It is my understanding that Microsoft's chief privacy officer doesn't have
the power to do what you ask for. Scott Charney, the VP of Trustworthy
Computing, will be much more central to any internal debates over this
issue than
I think your section on law enforcement stuff could still use some work.
I really think you should get rid of some of the text in the references.
Specifically, delete this text: As a result of the service being acquired
by Microsoft in 2011, it may now be required to comply with CALEA due to
the
Chris,
Your suggestions and references have been implemented. Thank you!
NK
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Soghoian ch...@soghoian.netwrote:
I think your section on law enforcement stuff could still use some work.
I really think you should get rid of some of the text in the
Hi!
Good work :)
First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
probably lose the hyphen.
Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix signature on this
letter :)
Best regards
/P
On 18 January, 2013 - Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
Okay everyone,
the *final draft* has
Amazing :)
Thanks for your support, everyone!
NK
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Petter Ericson pett...@acc.umu.se wrote:
Hi!
Good work :)
First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
probably lose the hyphen.
Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix
GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.
Martin Johnson
Founder
https://GreatFire.org - Monitoring Online Censorship In China.
https://FreeWeibo.com - Uncensored, Anonymous Sina Weibo Search.
https://Unblock.cn.com - We Can Unblock Your Website In China.
On Sat, Jan
Added. Thank you!
NK
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Martin Johnson greatf...@greatfire.orgwrote:
GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.
Martin Johnson
Founder
https://GreatFire.org - Monitoring Online Censorship In China.
https://FreeWeibo.com -
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andre Rebentisch tabe...@gmail.com wrote:
Definitely not. It is an organisation that does not care at all about its
public image in the field of public policy. Quite exceptional, I may add.
Could you please be more specific? For instance, from what I remember,
There is no harm in taking Kate's advice to heart - they also do care, you
may perceive a complete lack of care through their
legal wrangling and maneuverings and I wouldn't suggest anyone there is a
warm heart about these issues - but just like Security issues and Linux
before, they care because
This is very well written!!
One comment - given that the Tom-Skype operations mainly affect just
Chinese users, I feel it makes sense to call out China explicitly in that
sentence.
Best,
2013/1/16 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on
Hey Nadim,
The letter looks great. Thanks for driving this.
Please add Aspiration (www.aspirationtech.org) to the signatories
peace,
gunner
On 01/16/2013 08:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on you to review the following draft for
The Free Network Foundation will sign.
As far a copy edits:
voice communications software, Skype continues to be the first choice
for many whose lives depend on strong communications privacy.
Regretfully, Skype continues to ignore repeated, reasonable requests to
clarify the basic principles of
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Do all signatories need to be affiliated/part of an organisation?
On 16 Jan 2013, at 16:58, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter to Skype
Nice job. I'll sign as an individual and on behalf of
Abinehttps://www.abine.com(we're an online privacy startup).
-Sarah
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on you to review the following draft
On 16 January 2013 17:31, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
It's already open for individuals.
Excellent, thanks Nadim.
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I'd like to sign too, if you'd like it!
Paul
Dr Paul Bernal
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UEA Law School
University of East Anglia
Norwich Research Park
Norwich NR4 7TJ
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I'd like to sign it as well, if I am eligible :)
Amin
On 16 January 2013 17:58, Paul Bernal (LAW) paul.ber...@uea.ac.uk wrote:
I'd like to sign too, if you'd like it!
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Digital Rights Foundation, Pakistan would like to sign the letter too.
www.digitalrightsfoundation.pk
Best,
Nighat Dad
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Amin Sabeti aminsab...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to sign it as well, if I am eligible :)
Amin
On 16 January 2013 17:58, Paul Bernal (LAW)
(first post!)
While CDT can't sign[1], I wanted to ask a question. (Since we can't
sign on, I don't want you to feel like you have to answer!)
I was wondering: why the focus on Skype and MSFT?
If I were to answer my own question, I'd probably say the focus is
simply due to the wide usage base
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall j...@cdt.org wrote:
(first post!)
While CDT can't sign[1], I wanted to ask a question. (Since we can't
sign on, I don't want you to feel like you have to answer!)
I was wondering: why the focus on Skype and MSFT?
I must admit that your
Joe,
My experience has been that when a general letter is written with no
particular recipient, it ends up being received and acted on by *no one*.
Skype represents such a significant portion of the concern, even measured
based on traffic to this list, that it warrants direct questions and
Suggested changes (all near the beginning):
Is:
Many of these users rely on secure communications - whether they
are activists operating under authoritarian governments or journalists
dealing with sensitive sources.
Suggest:
Many of these users rely on secure communications - whether they are
Hi NK and all,
I'd like to make a suggestion about the letter itself, specifically the 'From'
bit:
From Concerned Privacy Advocates, Internet Activists and Journalists
I'd suggest you go broader and make it from civil society organisations,
Internet Activists and Journalists ... If the
Well that is a job welldone Libtech amiga-os! Keep up the great work I look
forward to seeing final.
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter to
You may want to consider rewriting your law enforcement/government
surveillance section:
As a result of the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, it may now
be required to comply with CALEA due to the company being headquartered in
Redmond, Washington. Furthermore, as a US-based
Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. We're currently in the process of
reworking the letter with assistance from the EFF and we'll take what you
said into consideration.
NK
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Christopher Soghoian ch...@soghoian.netwrote:
You may want to consider rewriting your
This is an excellent effort, but I would explain all acronyms within the body
of the letter, as it is intended as an open letter on behalf of all Skype
users, many of whom will be unable to grasp its import as is.
Best,
Michael
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Nadim Kobeissi
I think Moxie hit the nail on the head especially with the two trends he
pointed out. A team of three developers can leverage global low-latency
infrastructure if they know how, while WhatsApp's entire engineering team
is stuck implementing *unusually* bad crypto.
NK
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at
I wonder if the same team is still working on skype.
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Christopher Soghoian ch...@soghoian.net
wrote:
Unfortunately, I've not been able to learn anything from my existing
contacts at Microsoft about Skype. That part of the company seems to be
continuing their
You should also include Guardian's projects:
Gibberbot
Ostel/ostn no?
That said, thus far, neither redphone nor those over listed rivals skype or
Google hangouts quality of transmission.
This is not meant to detract from them, its more a question, is a revenue
based model the only option to
Skype is not only dangerous from a security by policy perspective, but is
also dangerous from a security by design perspective — whereas they promise
that conversations are encrypted, due to their closed-source nature this
encryption cannot be studied or verified.
There are certain other projects
I am not a lawyer but legally they would be hers, I think, confidentiality
notices notwithstanding. But again, I am not a lawyer. Technologically,
shouldn't she save them to pass them to someone who can safely inspect
them? (Would make a good story on NPR if something were discovered!)
Finally,
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