Re: [liberationtech] What's wrong with the kids these days? - On the moral decay of the Dutch hacker scene

2013-03-26 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
puscii: http://www.puscii.nl/blog/content/whats-wrong-kids-these-days What's wrong with the kids these days? On the moral decay of the Dutch hacker scene I'm really happy to see that someone took the time to write this article and I'm also happy to see that it was related to puscii. For

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Shava Nerad: I was fascinated today to see Mother Jones and many others reposting, entirely without reflection or comment, what seemed to me to be not crowdsourced images but second story surveillance camera shots of the FBI suspects. (Who, in addition, are being howled after as guilty until

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: I find it telling that the local news papers in Seattle referred to their photos as 'potential suspects' on the front page. The use of language is telling - it suggests that to be suspect

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes: Jacob, it's all that and worse, I'm sure. Why wouldn't be any different? Why indeed? After all, there has been a terrorist attack in Boston, so one would expect the state of the art in counter-terrorism in full force here! Terrorism is not an excuse for

Re: [liberationtech] And right on cue, the flush our civil liberties down the toilet boys rear their ugly heads

2013-04-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes: They (FBI, DHS) did call them persons of interest - nbd, it's all the same To suggest it is all the same is to miss the subtle changes in language and how the subtle changes in language change us. We might be OK with these changes and yet it feels dishonest

Re: [liberationtech] Liberte Linux

2013-04-26 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Richard Brooks r...@clemson.edu wrote: I have a student trying to make a modified build of the Liberte Linux distribution. If anyone would have time and be willing to give her some pointers, please send me an email and I will forward to her.

[liberationtech] BlackBerry and CALEA-II

2013-04-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, I've long heard things about BlackBerry and RIM regarding BBIM. I was unable to substantiate until this morning when a friend pointed me at this: http://docs.blackberry.com/en/admin/deliverables/21760/PIN_encryption_keys_for_BBM_1840226_11.jsp The relevant part is here: The PIN encryption

Re: [liberationtech] BlackBerry and CALEA-II

2013-04-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Griffin Boyce: Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: When people ask how secure BBIM is - I suppose we can now cite RIM's official documentation on the topic - without a BES server, it's encrypted with a key that is embedded in all handsets. This was critical in the London Riots

Re: [liberationtech] BlackBerry and CALEA-II

2013-04-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
, disclosed to LE and intel agencies, specifically to retain or to enhance their marketshare. To me, it's disingenuous for companies to promote secure solutions that they know allow some kind of backdoor access. Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: What an embarrassing joke Keep

Re: [liberationtech] BlackBerry and CALEA-II

2013-04-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Griffin Boyce: Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Griffin Boyce: I disagree. Blackberry isn't openly selling your data or otherwise gifting it to third parties, but I don't think that's really enough. That is exactly what they're doing. They have a key that is static and from

Re: [liberationtech] BlackBerry and CALEA-II

2013-04-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Griffin Boyce: Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: You already know this, but for the benefit of the list snip Unless these are on a BES server - it's all insecure - if it is on a BES server, it may still be insecure depending on a few factors. Depends on whether they enable

Re: [liberationtech] BlackBerry and CALEA-II

2013-04-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Why is there this rhetoric as if all of the bugs in JS crypto are unique to JS crypto? These breaks happen in other platforms too, but simply occur in different forms. However, overwhelmingly, the frequency and severity do compare. There are specific bugs in the JS crypto library and as a

Re: [liberationtech] New Yorker debut's Aaron Swartz's 'Strongbox.'

2013-05-16 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Sarah Lai Stirland: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/05/strongbox-and-aaron-swartz.html http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/backissues/2013/05/strongbox-the-new-yorker-investigates.html Kevin Poulsen suggested I open issues on Github and I've been doing so as 'ioerror'

[liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US

2013-06-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Dear Libtech, We've waited a long time for this kind of FISA court document to leak - we see clearly evidence that there is still dragnet surveillance that is ongoing - the current order leaked is still valid as of today, it will continue to be valid until the middle of July. This specifically

[liberationtech] Stop promoting Skype

2013-06-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, Top secret PRISM program claims direct access to servers of firms including Google, Facebook and Apple and others. Some of the world's largest internet brands are claimed to be part of the information-sharing program since its introduction in 2007. Microsoft – which is currently running an

[liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-08 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Oh man, Glenn Greenwald is my hero and a hero to us all. Everyone on this list who was looking for 'some evidence' about global surveillance and previously ignored all other evidence, well, here you go! Revealed: The NSA's powerful tool for cataloguing data – including figures on US collection

Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
x z: 2013/6/8 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Oh man, Glenn Greenwald is my hero and a hero to us all. Do you still believe Glenn's reporting that NSA has direct access to servers of firms including Google, Apple and Facebook? Yeah, I think it is clearly a FISA interface or API

Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: Jake, I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired of just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech. And it doesn't appear to just be towards me. I'm not the only person who feels like this. Even if you're right, tone your ego knob down

Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-06-09, at 1:02 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Nadim Kobeissi: Jake, I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired of just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech. And it doesn't appear to just be towards me. I'm

Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, x z xhzh...@gmail.com wrote: Occam's razor would give us the following is what has actually happened in the past three days: a semi-clueless whistle blower fed an overzealous journalist a low-quality powerpoint deck, which met the

Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
x z: @Jacob, I agree with your points regarding American exceptionalism. @Eugen, to prepare for the worst scenario is one thing, to advocate some shady rumor as fact is another. @Rich, those are good movie scripts :-). But it does not work for 9 firms, and hundreds of execs all with diverse

Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
x z: I argue that direct access or not is is substantive, not semantic. We have the following two versions of the story: *A: The Guardian story alleges that NSA has direct access to user data from major internet firms, and these firms are willingly cooperating with NSA for the capability of

Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret tool to track global surveillance data

2013-06-17 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Rich Kulawiec: On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 10:11:08AM -0400, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: On 2013-06-09, at 10:08 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: Second: stupidity, in all forms, fully deserves to be slapped down -- This is where I stop reading. I have to admit, even though I've read this half

[liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-17 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds that allow us to verify that he is honest to actually having serious usability improvements. I really mean it - the new TBB is actually awesome.

[liberationtech] Skype interception - Project Chess

2013-06-20 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, I encourage all Skype users and security people to read this article about Silicon Valley and the spying world: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/technology/silicon-valley-and-spy-agency-bound-by-strengthening-web.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 This bit about Skype is fantastic: Skype, the

[liberationtech] GCHQ taps fibre-optic cables for secret access to world's communications

2013-06-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
From the we-told-you-so-again-gosh-this-is-the-free-west department: GCHQ taps fibre-optic cables for secret access to world's communications Exclusive: British spy agency collects and stores vast quantities of global email messages, Facebook posts, internet histories and calls, and shares them

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
in the installer is translated, btw). Is there anything I can help? Best regards, MH 2013/6/17 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Hi, I'm really excited to say that Tor Browser has had some really important changes. Mike Perry has really outdone himself - from deterministic builds

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jillian C. York: Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. That is a good question - I think it is open to discussion. Generally speaking, I think that a censorship free search engine that requires no cookies, no javascript, no

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Michael Carbone: DuckDuckGo seems to work well with Tor and without javascript/cookies/etc. They also run it as a hidden service so you can keep your search in the Tor cloud -- I don't know of other search engines that do that: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion I generally feel friendly to DuckDuckGo.

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
micah: Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote: Dear LibTech Readers, In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Griffin Boyce: Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the US. Congratulations. I look forward to seeing them, probably on a remote stream but also perhaps in person. It's interesting how

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
phryk: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: This is a false dichotomy of an argument if ever I've heard one. I keep hearing it too. It bums me out to no end. I understand that removing ourselves from specific discussions removes our voices from

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the US. It's interesting how much of the debate centers

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jurre andmore: Sorry, but why would 30c3 be this place and not any other venue in the world? Without context this sounds silly. It was merely a suggestion and it is hardly without context. Any event or space that is willing to create an explicitly safe space for an open dialog is probably in

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jurre andmore: I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and not in 2013. Actually, I think a lot of old-school Dutch hackers did just that - especially against the undercover cops who infiltrated the scene. This was documented in the hacking zines of that era. In

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-26 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Mike Perry: Nick: Quoth Mike Perry: Hidden service circuits require ~4X as many Tor router traversals as normal Tor exit circuits to set up, and unlike normal Tor exit circuits, they are often *not* prebuilt. Once they are set up, they still require 2X as many Tor router traversals

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: On 2013.06.29 10.27, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It's not a simplistic choice between using modern devices and being a Luddite. It's about people having a better understanding about what the threats are, digesting that information (unfortunately, slowly) and then using tools to

Re: [liberationtech] Secret European deals to hand over private data to America

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Paul Bernal (LAW): None of this should be surprising, should it? It's a reasonable assumption that all intelligence agencies share their data on a pretty regular basis - certainly with 'friendly' nations, and almost certainly with others, on a quid pro quo basis. It's always been that way.

Re: [liberationtech] eternity USENET (Re: Internet blackout)

2013-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: On 2013.06.29 12.37, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Eleanor Saitta: None of those tools exist right now, not for locational privacy and metadata obfuscation. I disagree about the existence. Perhaps, I think we might be able to agree on certain values of 'unusable' rather than

Re: [liberationtech] Current state of Pidgin OTR vs Jitsi OTR

2013-07-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nikola Kotur: On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:25:54 -0500 Anthony Papillion anth...@cajuntechie.org wrote: what exactly is the problem with Pidgin OTR This page summarizes what might be wrong with Pidgin and OTR:

Re: [liberationtech] secure download tool - doesn't exist?!?

2013-07-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: On 2013.07.01 15.15, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 06:03:01PM +, adrelanos wrote: In response to the tool doesn't exist... apt-get install tor torify wget http://path.to/file And how did you verify the trust path for your initial debian install It is

[liberationtech] An interview with Snowden and more in Der Spiegel

2013-07-08 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, What we're seeing in Der Spiegel, The Guardian, Washington Post and other select publications is the birth of new threat models - not just for activists but for all of civil society, parliamentarians, companies and more. This is a threat model that many have known and yet at the same time,

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Patrick Mylund Nielsen: If it's so easy, go ahead and produce a more secure alternative that people will use. Talking about how exceedingly easy it is in Internet forums doesn't contribute much. I'm not sure if you're away but Maxim did exactly this many years ago. He wrote a system called

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Patrick Mylund Nielsen: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 09:12:21AM -0400, Patrick Mylund Nielsen wrote: If it's so easy, go ahead and produce a more secure alternative that people You mean something like http://dee.su/ ? And

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: Hi Jacob, You've said a lot about Cryptocat's SSL configuration — can you recommend a better configuration that is similarly compatible? Hi Nadim, I mentioned this on the cryptography list - I suggest several things. First up - either disable all non-forward secure SSL/TLS

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jonathan Wilkes: On 07/09/2013 10:29 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Patrick Mylund Nielsen: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 09:12:21AM -0400, Patrick Mylund Nielsen wrote: If it's so easy, go ahead and produce a more secure alternative

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Andreas Bader: Eugen Leitl: Grimes: How many exploits does your unit have access to? Cyber warrior: Literally tens of thousands -- it's more than that. We have tens of thousands of ready-to-use bugs in single applications, single operating systems. Grimes: Is most of it zero-days?

[liberationtech] today's Spiegel edition

2013-07-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
A new Spiegel edition is out and it is awesome. It contains leaked documents that show that the BND, BfV, NSA and CIA worked together to do domestic spying in Germany. It also covers more information about XKEYSCORE. The PDF of the article has been leaked too:

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Griffin Boyce: Al, We may have to disagree as to the way forward. I hate to be contentious, but it seems unlikely that Tor applied a patch without reading firefox's changelog. Two days ago I presented a talk which emphasized how useful Tor is -- and I stand by that. Tor is still the best

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 3:19 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Griffin Boyce: Al, We may have to disagree as to the way forward. I hate to be contentious, but it seems unlikely that Tor applied a patch without reading firefox's changelog. Two days ago I

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 11:46 AM, Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Nadim you seem confused by how this works. Tor doesn't need to issue advisories for Firefox issues. We, at Mozilla, already issue them. Perhaps they can link to them clearly but if you want to know about

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.netwrote: Please feel free to answer the question, we're happy to learn from an example. Are either of you involved in such an example? Might we learn from your example? If so, where might we see it? Tails

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 12:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 11:46 AM, Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Nadim you seem confused by how this works. Tor doesn't need to issue advisories for Firefox issues. We

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Somewhere there is a line and clearly, we failed to meet the high standards of a few folks on this list. I'm mostly curious if that high standard will be expressed in a cohesive manner where we might

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Asa Rossoff: Jacob Appelbaum: Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 11:46 AM, Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Nadim you seem confused by how this works. Tor doesn't need to issue advisories for Firefox issues. We, at Mozilla, already issue them. Perhaps they can link to them clearly

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Joseph Lorenzo Hall: On 8/6/13 6:41 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: (2) Even have an RSS feed of them available through the TBB, as well as RSS of TBB releases, and what security issues are covred including one advised by Firefox. This could notify of stable, alpha and beta releases, so

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 1:23 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 12:55 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-06, at 11:46 AM, Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Nadim you seem

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
intrigeri: Hi, Maxim Kammerer wrote (06 Aug 2013 09:52:36 GMT) : Tails references upstream advisories, or at least did so in the past. https://tails.boum.org/security/Numerous_security_holes_in_0.18/ Right, and we have no plan to stop doing this. What we've been doing for years when

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
konfku...@riseup.net: Jacob Appelbaum: I like this idea - though I wonder how users would feel about it? Will they read it? Should it be our own RSS feed or an RSS feed of Mozilla's data? I don't like the idea. You need to worry about the upgrading behavior of casual users of TBB, who

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-07, at 12:58 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-08-07, at 12:44 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Bbrewer: We're understaffed, so we tend to pick the few things we might accomplish and writing such advisory

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
The advisory was about bug being exploited in the wild, so, yes. That was covered well in Roger's last email. I'm aware, I did read his email. I was just under the impression that you publish advisories about *vulnerabilities*, not about *exploits*. But perhaps you're teaching me (and the

Re: [liberationtech] Open letter to Phil Zimmermann Jon Callas of Silent Circle, re: Silent Mail shutdown

2013-08-16 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Ali-Reza Anghaie: I understand we're talking about verifiable builds and software distribution but using the Zetas as an example is getting kind of ridiculous. The point of using the Zetas is perhaps not clear but I think I understand well what Zooko means. We've talked about it a few times

Re: [liberationtech] Open letter to Phil Zimmermann Jon Callas of Silent Circle, re: Silent Mail shutdown

2013-08-16 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Ali-Reza Anghaie: OK. I still disagree - in these threat models they don't care about effort. Who doesn't? They dissuade people by killing a few first. If someone starts harming say, Ubuntu developers, I think very few Debian developers will worry. I think very few RHEL developers will

[liberationtech] Deterministic Builds Part One: Cyberwar and Global Compromise

2013-08-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, I think a lot of people would benefit from reading Mike Perry's latest blog post. He addresses how The Tor Project is working towards the problems referenced by Zooko in his latest open letter to Silent Circle:

Re: [liberationtech] AES-encyrpted telephony in Iran?

2012-06-12 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 06/12/2012 09:29 PM, Naiz Mudin wrote: Ladies Gentlemen, I have discovered, by serendipity, an iOS application that is evidently also available for Windows Phone and Symbian (soon to be replaced with Windows Phone 8). It is called, SafeSession and claims 256-bit AES encryption between

Re: [liberationtech] If we want to be anonymous in #azerbaijan we take batteries out of our cellphones

2012-06-18 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 06/18/2012 07:40 PM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: On 2012.06.18 13.29, Parker Higgins wrote: On 6/18/12 8:36 AM, Yosem Companys wrote: Hi Liberationtech folks, is this always the case? I've heard cases where people can still be tracked whether they have batteries in their cell phones or not...

Re: [liberationtech] Julian Assange is seeking asylum

2012-06-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 06/19/2012 01:37 PM, michael gurstein wrote: I would have thought it was more like a huge fear of being (unreasonably) trolled. For those that wish to send their support, I suggest using this contact form for the Ecuadorian mission in the UK: http://www.ecuadorembassyuk.org.uk/contact

Re: [liberationtech] Wickr - Leave No Trace

2012-06-28 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 06/28/2012 06:28 AM, Nathan of Guardian wrote: On 06/28/2012 04:58 AM, ilf wrote: Opinions on this? Has there been any peer-review? Not as far as I know, but I think can tackle it quickly here from what is on their website. Most of this is the usual open-vs-closed type issues, but still

Re: [liberationtech] Arabic-speaking digital safety trainers

2012-06-29 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 06/29/2012 09:20 AM, fr...@journalistsecurity.net wrote: We are looking for a few Arabic-speaking digital safety trainers to help teach basic concepts and some tool usage to citizen journalists operating in critical nations. Training will occur remotely using VPNs to reach select

Re: [liberationtech] Open Secure Telephony Network (OSTN)

2012-07-15 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
ilf: Found this in HOPE 9 schedule: https://ostel.me/ This service is a public testbed of the Open Secure Telephony Network (OSTN) project, with the goal of promoting the use of free, open protocols, standards and software, to power end-to-end secure voice communications on mobile

Re: [liberationtech] liberationtech Digest, Vol 115, Issue 3

2012-08-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, I generally avoid engaging with you Catherine but I wanted to ask you some very specific questions that almost beg to be asked by your email. I have kept it on the list because I felt that if you could show evidence for your claims, we'd all be better for it. If not, I figured it would be

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jillian C. York: It's difficult. I'm not a technologist, but I understand the issues and the user needs well. My type, I'd surmise, is few and far between. Security experts have obvious reasons for being conservative, and I get that. Nevertheless, there are a lot of users who would

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: On 2012.08.06 17.51, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Jillian C. York: It's difficult. I'm not a technologist, but I understand the issues and the user needs well. My type, I'd surmise, is few and far between. Security experts have obvious reasons for being conservative, and I get

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eleanor Saitta: On 2012.08.06 18.40, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Eleanor Saitta: It is true that you have to trust the server operator in both cases. However, having a server configuration which does not completely compromise user privacy (vs. the operator) by default, like Facebook does

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: OKAY! I just came back from a long, incredibly intense dinner with Jacob, Ian Goldberg and a few other people. Believe it or not, we have actually managed to agree on a conversation model that both answers the concerns of people like Jacob while remaining easy to use and

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-07 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Ali-Reza Anghaie: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Ali-Reza Anghaie: I don't think it's they don't get it - once explained to even the most jaded they accept the expertise - it's that in the time period with immediate windows of opportunity present

Re: [liberationtech] What I've learned from Cryptocat

2012-08-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Collin Anderson: Do activists seriously diverge from general browser usage statistics? Oh hey -- at last, quantifiable question that would lend itself to a solid research paper. Let's gather aggregate analytics data from activist sites and compare to the norm. I think I can help on this...

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eric S Johnson: Hi Phillipp, Eric, that's interesting, could you elaborate on that? According to my own experience, deep packet inspection in China is still used I'm not saying China doesn't do DPI. I'm just saying that, from my own experience living in China for the past

Re: [liberationtech] FinFisher is now controlled by UK export controls

2012-09-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eric King: Hi all, I thought this list would be interested to know that the British Government has decided to place FinFisher under UK export controls. There are a ton of questions that remain to be answered, and it's only part of the bigger goal to control the export of surveillance

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-08 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Greg Norcie: Any book written by non-experts about something as complicated as crypto will have imperfections. But sometimes security researchers become paralyzed with the need for something to be perfect. You need to look at it from a public health perspective. Also - sometimes people

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:41 PM, D J Capelis djcape...@cs.ucsc.edu wrote: I like the part where you say the problem is easy and then point to a solution with issues that make it anything but easy, tenable or workable. Why? The solution (if you refer to cables in Liberté) is

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb: On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:46, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Asher Wolf: The argument everyone is politely avoiding - while pondering the numerous ways CryptoParty will expose already compromised individuals - is whether the masses SHOULD use crypto. I'm not ignoring

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Asher Wolf: On 9/10/12 10:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I did not work on the technical aspects of the book. I cannot. I do not have the right skill set. This attitude, I think, is a key issue this community and many others face. You cannot? Or you will not? I believe that you

Re: [liberationtech] Security / reliability of cryptoheaven ?

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nick Daly: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Maxim Kammerer: Even the CryptoHeaven solution that I criticized above is good, discarding minor issues that can be easily fixed, and discarding what's apparently a security-usability tradeoff decision

Re: [liberationtech] best practices - roundup

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Maxim Kammerer: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Lindsay Beck lb...@ndi.org wrote: Disclosure: TAILS relies on BIOS for operability, and thus can have challenges functioning on newer computers that utilize UEFI without legacy support for BIOS. For anyone interested: Liberté Linux already has

Re: [liberationtech] OkayFreedom

2012-10-26 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eric S Johnson: The vast majority of netizens in cybercensored countries who use a VPN (or other form of proxy) are doing so in order to access otherwise-blocked content, without any particular expectation of (or need for) security. So, any VPN will do (and OkayFreedom’s as good as any

Re: [liberationtech] OkayFreedom

2012-10-26 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Collin Anderson: Eric, I think it is necessary to push back on the following statement as extensively as possible. But I’ve never heard of a case in which a user has been punished merely for cybercircumventing. I’d love to hear of such a situation. As Amin hints, there are strongly

Re: [liberationtech] NPC digital security event video

2012-10-26 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Steve Weis: I attended the beginning of this event and was taken aback by some bad advice given by Jonathan Hutcheson. Starting around 17:50, he talks about how password managers can supposedly protect you from keyloggers and malware: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLp2pl3BVhg#t=17m50s

Re: [liberationtech] OkayFreedom

2012-10-27 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: Nice analysis. These are just data points that clearly have no meaning. None at all. Why, if only a bug would tell me that it was exploitable, I still wouldn't believe it! Why are you convinced?! Pursuant to this, I think downgrading this project from OkayFreedom to MehFreedom

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
StealthMonger: Dmytri Kleiner d...@telekommunisten.net writes: So you believe that we should provide nothing as a society ... I certainly don't. You are free to delegate your authority to your comrades in matters such as your own health care or the education of your own children. Just

Re: [liberationtech] Bitcoin and The Public Function of Money

2012-11-05 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
StealthMonger: Dmytri Kleiner d...@telekommunisten.net writes: We can not eliminate the State-based tax system by evading it, only by replacing the socially necessary functions it performs with actually-existing non-state forms, an unwillingness to understand and come to terms with this is

Re: [liberationtech] Arabic Pidgin-OTR Tutorial

2012-11-18 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Marcin de Kaminski: Also, since it was discussed on this list: what is the status of Pidgin OTR? Didn't it have some sec flaws? It is maintained software. I'm one of the maintainers these days. As far as I know Pidgin-OTR doesn't have any outstanding issues. Pidgin itself on Windows is

Re: [liberationtech] Arabic Pidgin-OTR Tutorial

2012-11-18 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Uncle Zzzen: One thing that baffles me is where's the sig or hash at http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ (which is not SSL). I see sigs for lib, proxy, etc. but nothing for the primary download. Unless there's something I fail to understans, it's pretty spooky. The signature is referenced as

[liberationtech] X.25 in Syria?

2012-12-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, I wonder - has anyone been scanning (for) X.25 pads in Syria? Leased lines such as the one in Alexandria stayed up in Egypt during the killswitch flipping; the same was true for X.25. I guess neither of those will rely on IP networks and thus BGP route withdraw won't impact them very much,

[liberationtech] was: Forbes recommends tools for journalist; is now: depressing realities

2012-12-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, fr...@journalistsecurity.net: But if you're getting information security advice from a Forbes blog, that will be the least of your worries. Where would you suggest we get information security advice from? This is an interesting question and I admit, I feel like it leaves a bad ring in

Re: [liberationtech] was: Forbes recommends tools for journalist; is now: depressing realities

2012-12-19 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Danny O'Brien: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 05:26:05AM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Hi, fr...@journalistsecurity.net: But if you're getting information security advice from a Forbes blog, that will be the least of your worries. Where would you suggest we get information security advice from

[liberationtech] Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Hi, In light of the recent thread on journalism, I wanted to share this link about Skype: https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2012/dec/china-listening-skype-microsoft-assumes-you-approve With 250 million monthly connected users, Skype is one of the most popular services for making phone calls as

Re: [liberationtech] Google Hangout the new, better skype? Was Re: Skype redux

2012-12-21 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
to choose between it and Skype, I guess I'd not have a lot of trouble making the choice of using Jitsi. All the best, Jake B On Dec 21, 2012 6:07 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Hi, In light of the recent thread on journalism, I wanted to share this link about Skype

Re: [liberationtech] Safe app like Dropbox?

2013-01-06 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
John Adams: Why don't you just get around the problem entirely and use Dropbox's storage for encrypted disk images? If you have data sufficiently encrypted, it doesn't matter how it's stored. I generally agree that the data should be encrypted, though I think it should also be authenticated

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