Are you saying that the U.S. government is the parent of the people
in Iraq?
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Eric Dondero Rittberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you consider parents spanking their children to be torture?
What's more harmful to a human being; a slap on the behind with a
Funny.
Is that your way of avoiding the question?
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying that the U.S. government is the parent of the
people
in Iraq?
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Eric Dondero Rittberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do
. Kennedy
- Original Message -
From: Eric Dondero Rittberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Do you consider parents spanking their children to be torture?
What's more harmful to a human
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Eric Dondero Rittberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Steven, you are 100% correct. 393,000 votes is a great vote
total. Screw that Ed Clark era of a million or so votes. The LP
doesn't need more votes for their Presidential Nominee. What the LP
needs
Fristly, Clark got 930,000 votes not 900,000. It was without rival
the best showing ever by the LP.
Not sure I understand why you are denigrating Clark's performance
and why you believe Badnarik's total of 393,000 is equal to 930,000.
But then again, there's that New Math and all. Perhaps
For some reason, Americans do not want to vote for third parties. It does seem
to matter what they have to say--they have been all over the political map--but
only candidacies involving very well known candidates with very positive images
seem to even show up as a blip on the radar screen. I am
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Greg Southworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That doesn't mean I like it, but no party, or independant candidacy,
has been able to break the ceiling since the 19th century on the
national scene.
Greg
In 1912 the candidate for POTUS of the Progressive Party
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Yes, Steven, you are 100% correct. 393,000 votes is a great vote
total. Screw that Ed Clark era of a million or so votes. The LP
doesn't need more votes for their Presidential
Get real. What's an Iraqi anyway? There really is not such thing
as Iraq. Just lines drawn in the sand by some British mapmakers in
the early 1920s.
Now, there's Kurds, Shi'ites and Sunnis. But Iraqis?
Look buddy, this is a War against Islamo-Fascism. Islamo-Fascism
exists throughout
Ed Clark wouldn't have gotten numbers as good as Michael Badnarik's
numbers in the last election.
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Eric Dondero Rittberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fristly, Clark got 930,000 votes not 900,000. It was without rival
the best showing ever by the LP.
Not
Yes, Steven, you are 100% correct. 393,000 votes is a great vote
total. Screw that Ed Clark era of a million or so votes. The LP
doesn't need more votes for their Presidential Nominee. What the LP
needs more of is domgatism in ideology, obscurity, and candidates
for office who receive less
: Eric Dondero Rittberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Yes, Steven, you are 100% correct. 393,000 votes is a great vote
total. Screw that Ed Clark era of a million or so votes
I could care less if Iran developed Nuclear weapons. Merely having
them doesn't make them our enemy and doesn't make them a threat to the
United States. The one thing it DOES do, is make sure the U.S. won't
invade. It seems as though the U.S. government lately only invades
nations that DO NOT
Ah, I see. You reserve some magical right to dictate to all nations,
especially those in the Middle East, what kind of weapons they may or may
not possess. That's authoritarianism and Big Government Interventionism.
It has nothing at all to do with libertarianism and self-sovereignty..
Let
:00 AM
Subject: libertarian schizophrenia Re: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
I could care less if Iran developed Nuclear weapons. Merely having
them doesn't make them our enemy and doesn't make them a threat to the
United States. The one thing it DOES do, is make sure the U.S. won't
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From: Eric Dondero Rittberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No more of an oxymoron than Libertarian Libertarian Party member.
Which essentially means, I think I'm a member of a political party,
but I support losing elections, in fact, losing as many as we
possibly can. Despite
- Original Message -
From: Eric Dondero Rittberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And the problem with the Peacenik approach is that the whole word
thinks we are a bunch of woosies who are not willing to fight for
our lives and our country.
Result, our enemies spill over our borders and destroy us
Hmmn? Let's see now. Might have a little something to do with my
3,000 brothers and sisters who were murdered brutally on September
11, 2001.
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, steven linnabary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Eric Dondero Rittberg [EMAIL
You got the wrong guy buddy.
Firstly, last year I personally collected almost 4,000 signatures to
get the Libertarian Party on the ballot here in Texas.
Secondly, one of my best friends happens to be Michigan State
Representative Leon Drolet. You may have heard that Leon helped the
Michigan
Nope... It has nothing to do with that. Iraq had no connection to
what happened on September 11, 2001, and no connection to those who
did. You're just a dishonest, pathetic, ignorant, jingoistic, bully
intent on world domination and an American empire who doesn't support
libertarianism but
Michael Badnarik on his worst day is better educated, has more class,
is more intelligent, has a better grasp on reality, and is more
libertarian than you, or anyone of your ilk will ever be combined. He
is a better man than anyone who has ever run for president as a
Republican.
--- In
Bill Gates didn't have a degree, or Thomas Edison, or Henry Ford, or
thousands upon thousands of other people including many presidents. I
know plenty of absolute morons who have a degree. Eric Dondero is a
prime example of someone on the virge of being brain dead, but who has
a degree.
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, 2005 11:03 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Michael Badnarik on his worst day is better educated, has more class,
is more intelligent, has a better grasp on reality, and is more
libertarian than you, or anyone of your ilk will ever be combined. He
is a better man than
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From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Yes, how crazy the platform is. What kind of nuts want government to
abide by the Constitution and defend
I agree that the best bet appears to be the Republican Party. I wish those who
wish to work within the Democratic Party the best. Interestingly, there may be
a window of opportunity with the Dems now due to the generally dismal
performance outside the Northeast, the West Coast and Upper
Greg, I might remind you that a significant number of libertarians
are also Pro-War and subscribe precisely to the believe you express
below that it is our duty as Americans to spread our beliefs in
liberty and freedom worldwide.
I am a passionate believer in that credo.
I've never
You should check out the libertarian Republican movement. Check out
Yahoo Libertarian Republican (a little wild, crazy and very open
forum), Mainstrean libertarian or www.rlc.org.
What State are you in?
At this moment there are 5 to 6 United States Congressmen who have
been elected as
Actually Greg, that's a complete lie. There aren't any pro-war
libertarians. Not one. Anyone who supports the war in Iraq is
excluded from being a libertarian. Being a military
non-interventionist is not ignoring the rest of the world and only a
fool would claim such. We spread our beliefs by
Message-
From: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Eric Dondero Rittberg
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:03 PM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Greg, I might remind you that a significant number of libertarians
Dondero Rittberg
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:08 PM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
You should check out the libertarian Republican movement. Check out
Yahoo Libertarian Republican (a little wild, crazy and very open
forum), Mainstrean
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:03 PM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Greg, I might remind you that a significant number of libertarians
are also Pro-War and subscribe precisely
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From: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Eric Dondero Rittberg
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:08 PM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
You should check out the libertarian Republican movement
Knock, knock. Paul, anyone in there?
Let me umm, take you back to 1969. Virtually the entire libertarian
movement that existed in that year was headed up by some California
guy with a scrawny beard, and a tangent for surfing and smoking a
little weed. The guy headed the Libertarian Caucus
Then the question is are we fighting for our liberty or to preserve someone
elses position or status. That is the final problem with conservatism. In the
final analysis, it is about keeping the privileged few on their thrones. You
seem to have a great deal of faith in government at the foreign
Eric Dondero Rittberg wrote:
And the problem with the Peacenik approach is that the whole word
thinks we are a bunch of woosies who are not willing to fight for
our lives and our country.
Actually, that's a misconception. The rest of the world thinks we're a
bunch of blood-thirsty
The people peddling this b.s. about libertarianism being pacifism fail to
comprehend the basics of the philosophy - the non-agression (or zero)
aggression principle.
Some folks (Republicrat sympathizers, big government conservative statists,
LINOs, and neo-libertarian sellouts) desparately
this principle pretty much depends on both sides agreeing to it.
where one side lies the other is at serious disadvantage.
take for instance irans promise not to make nuclear weapons. honest
aside from having from energy then everyone except saudi arabia they
need nuclear power for civilian
David Macko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not to mention that as Americans we have no legal or moral
responsibility for what Saddam Hussein and family did in Iraq.
We do have a moral responsibility as Americans for what George
Bush falsely does in our names.
well you do. you supplied him with the
- Original Message -
From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Yes, how crazy the platform is. What kind of nuts want government to
abide by the Constitution and defend our rights rather
[ ModeratorFactCheck(the ONLY way that I'll allow this post her):
HUNDREDS of LIBERTARIANS have been in public offic in the USA!
Right here in Austin TX, the public elected, as a Libertarian candidate, the
then current Chair of the local party TWICE; inserted him to office then
re-elected
And though I am like Paul, vehemently Pro-Choice, I recognize that
libertarians have varying degrees on the issue. To disqualify someone
from being a libertarian for one single stance (outside of
supporting tax increases), is absurd.
Ironically, Ron has mellowed greatly on the abortion
And the same for you and your efforts in the Libertarian Party.
Need I remind you Paul, 35 years in existence and counting.
Not a SINGLE US CONGRESSMAN ELECTED BY THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY.
Currently NOT A SINGLE STATE LEGISLATOR ANYWHERES IN THE LAND.
Start electing some people to office and
I tried that route too.
As you may know I worked for US Congressman Ron Paul for 6 years as
his Senior Aide. A side project as Aide was American territorial
possessions, specifically Navassa Island, Seranilla Banks and Bajo
Nuevo in the Caribbean.
I tried like hell for months to get
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
unlike the Republicans I'm working toward liberty, not away
from it.
That's great!
Ron Paul is also working toward liberty and not away from it.
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Ron Paul is helping those who are bringing America further from
liberty. His voting record is respectable for the most part, but as
long as he's working inside the GOP he's working away from liberty.
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, hrearden_hr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ron Paul is helping those who are bringing America further from
liberty. His voting record is respectable for the most part, but as
long as he's working inside the GOP he's working away from liberty.
Ron Paul is actually
Yes he is helping those who bring America further from
libertynamely the Republican Party. They can point to him and
claim they support smaller government, when in reality the Republican
party supports larger government than Democrats think about in their
wet dreams.
Someone might look at
Libertarians are not fully respected in the Republican Party--I heard a
Republican pundit refer to libertarians as the flakey wing of the party.
True, Republicans at this point are no where near smaller government and we
should call them on it every time: Borrow and Spend (Republicans)is
Of Eric Dondero Rittberg
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:07 AM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
What was that $300 check I got from the government in August of
2001?
Clinton never gave me money back, IN THE MIDDLE OF FRIGGIN'
AUGUST
And fuck the Libertarian Party for being so goddamned pig-headed to
run a No-name college drop-out who didn't know jackshit about politics
for President of the United States.
And while we are at it fuck the Libertarian Party for running off
almost every single individual who was ever a
Eric Dondero Rittberg said: That's just your opinion based on accounting
tricks by Leftists, Leftist-Libertarians and other assorted Bush haters.
Numbers can be cooked by propogandists to mean just about anything.
Yeah genius, this war has been funded by cakewalks and raffles. Do you
actually
: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Maybe? But did Clinton or Carter ever give you a tax cut?
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Uh, excuse me James, I'll excuse your ignorance this once.
Eric Dondero Rittberg, Honorable Discharge
United States Navy, 1981-85
3 Medals: Expeditionary (War service), Humanitarian and Sea Service.
USS Kittyhawk CV-63 (Aircraft Carrier)
USS Luce - DDG-38 (Guided Missle Destroyer)
One WESPAC and
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Maybe? But did Clinton or Carter ever give you a tax cut?
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Behalf Of Eric Dondero Rittberg
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:15 PM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Uh, excuse me James, I'll excuse
, 2005 12:19 PM
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Au contraire, it most certainly IS a competition between the
Republicans and the Democrats. (And I guess you could say the
Libertarians too.)
Today's political makeup:
Republican Party - Squishy politicians. Put
: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:07 AM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
What was that $300 check I got from the government in August of
2001?
Clinton never gave me money back, IN THE MIDDLE OF FRIGGIN'
AUGUST.
Don't remember Carter
Screw you. I served in the U.S. Navy too, and only a jerk would
expect someone to thank them for a personal choice they made. Not one
person who served in the Gulf was defending America. Not in 1991, not
in 2005, and not at any point between. In fact, each and every person
who went to the
Dave Macko said: Not to mention that as Americans we have no legal or moral
responsibility for what Saddam Hussein and family did in Iraq. We do have a
moral responsibility as Americans for what George Bush falsely does in our
names.
Well said.
: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Maybe? But did Clinton or Carter ever give you a tax cut?
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric Dondero Rittberg
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:15 PM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Uh, excuse me James, I'll
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From: Eric Dondero Rittberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
billions and billions in debt... That's just your opinion based
on accounting tricks by Leftists, Leftist-Libertarians and other
assorted Bush haters. Numbers can be cooked by propogandists to
mean just about
Neither has a sterling record. Republicans have at least addressed the idea of
limited government. Once upon a time, they actually believed in limited
government. But when asked how they would address real problems such as
pollution, crime, race relations, etc...they gave us pollution is good
David Macko wrote:
Not to mention that as Americans we have no legal or moral
responsibility for what Saddam Hussein and family did in Iraq.
We do have a moral responsibility as Americans for what George
Bush falsely does in our names.
Dave Macko
Well said.
M
I hear ya. It is bound to be frustrating when defeat seems to be snatched from
the jaws of victory. Another route might be to do like the Progressives did at
the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries. Form a non-partisan
movement that demands limited government, free markets,
If you're counting on ever achieving liberty through the Republican
Party, you might as well give up on politics and get used to the fact
that you'll never experience liberty, nor will your great great great
great grandchildren. In fact if you keep Republicans in charge, you
won't have great
I am afraid it is going to require a rebuilding of the party from the inside
out. Both parties are unacceptable as they now stand. Sort of like the
alcoholic who says: But I only drink on weekends! In order to do that you
need to have a political strategy to make it happen at national, state,
, August 12, 2005 11:07 AM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
What was that $300 check I got from the government in August of
2001?
Clinton never gave me money back, IN THE MIDDLE OF FRIGGIN' AUGUST.
Don't remember Carter doing that either. But I
The $300 check was an advance on an ESTIMATED lower tax, and an effort
on the part of Bush to take attention away from his overwhelming
failures as a president in environment, foreign affairs, economy, etc.
Many people at the end of the year had a $300 higher tax burden
because the ESTIMATE was
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Eric Dondero Rittberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What was that $300 check I got from the government in August of
2001?
Clinton never gave me money back, IN THE MIDDLE OF FRIGGIN' AUGUST.
Don't remember Carter doing that either. But I seem to remember
Deus Ex Machina wrote:
and the RP also cut taxes, while the dem would increase taxes. in my
book that makes the RP more palatable, all they need to be coaxed into
now is to cut spending. the issues with jihado facists is a side issue.
Vic
I didn't get a tax cut, which means I'm paying for
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Jeff didn't see it as an attempt to stifle; merely an
objection to the content which unfortunately did not make clear what
was objected
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Deus Ex Machina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Jeff didn't see it as an attempt to stifle; merely an
objection to the content which unfortunately did not make clear
what
was objected to; and Jeff would be
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From: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Deus Ex Machina
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:34 PM
To: Libertarian@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: from bush with love
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL
In a message dated 8/11/2005 2:38:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
personally I think any political system is an enemy, whether democratic or
republican it matters not.
I agree. I have become convinced that the real reason someone spends so
much to get elected
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Deus Ex Machina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and the RP also cut taxes, while the dem would increase taxes. in my
book that makes the RP more palatable, all they need to be coaxed
into
now is to cut spending. the
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Deus Ex Machina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Deus Ex Machina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
and the RP also cut taxes, while the dem would increase taxes.
in my
book that makes the
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And since being a no-name, no college degree, no celebrity
irrelevant to qualifications for the Presidency, you needed only to
complain that the LP candidate was (in your opinion) an idiot. He is
not in the opinion of others. And besides, roughly
Vic, you are NOT the moderator of THIS forum,
so STIFLE your attempt to stifle Jeff for
being on-topic here.
-Terry Liberty Parker
Owner/moderator,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Deus Ex Machina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL
Actually, Jeff didn't see it as an attempt to stifle; merely an
objection to the content which unfortunately did not make clear what
was objected to; and Jeff would be glad to learn what was objected
to. (Was it the statement that many Americans think Bush is an
idiot? The implication that
Jeffrey Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, Jeff didn't see it as an attempt to stifle; merely an
objection to the content which unfortunately did not make clear what
was objected to; and Jeff would be glad to learn what was objected
to. (Was it the statement that many Americans think
A more accurate letter would look this:
Hi, I am George W Bush.
I happen to be President during a continuation of the Information Age so will
erroneously be getting credit
for something that is occurring because I have yet to destroy all human liberty
in this country.
I have created an
Eric Dondero Rittberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Golly gee, so I guess in your world we oughtta just have zero
response to a brutal attack on two of our largest cities killing
3,000 of our fellow citizens.
Just do nothing, huh?
TerryRespondsWith:
Telecast soon after 911; includes
There you have it. The pathetic, brainless, gutless, loser, Eric
Dondero says that Libertarians are fuck heads and lied about America
being in an economic boom.
Idiotic responses and running from the the truth is all you get from
Bush supporters. When you nail Bush to the wall, they either
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