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--- Comment #44 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #43)
> None of that is relevant to this bug. If you believe the default styles
> should cater to this set of assumptions, please open a bug about that.
So the only
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--- Comment #43 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #42)
> OK. Then please attach ... assume ... assume ... assume..
None of that is relevant to this bug. If you believe the default styles should
cater to this set of
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--- Comment #42 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #41)
> Different margins = different page style.
Maybe the top margin is to be changed on the first page. The spacing on a
heading could be changed, but so could the
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--- Comment #41 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #40)
> How are multiple consecutive chapters or sections to automatically be
> accounted for?
I actually don't quite have a good grasp of the interplay of sections
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--- Comment #40 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #39)
> (In reply to David from comment #36)
> > And how do you propose to remove headers, for instance, on just the first
> > page?
>
> At the same dialog, there is
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--- Comment #39 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #36)
> And how do you propose to remove headers, for instance, on just the first
> page?
At the same dialog, there is also an option for having a different header
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--- Comment #38 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #37)
> (In reply to David from comment #36)
> > And how do you propose to remove headers, for instance, on just the first
> > page?
>
> On the menus, go to: Format
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--- Comment #37 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #36)
> And how do you propose to remove headers, for instance, on just the first
> page?
On the menus, go to: Format > Page Style... > Header
and deselect "Same
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--- Comment #36 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #34)
> But most importantly - the simplest use case which most users would be
> interested would be a single page style with the "Mirrored" layout option,
> and an
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--- Comment #35 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #34)
> * Blank page insertions are not what the user asked for. They may want the
> insertions, or may want them not to appear. (For the first page
> specifically,
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--- Comment #34 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #33)
> If the developers consider changing the "Next style" of a style to be a
> fundamentally different style and that this somehow totally changes some
> sort of
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--- Comment #33 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #31)
> But if you take a style defined by default, which is not inherently tied to
> some structural aspect of the document, and make a fundamental change to it
> -
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--- Comment #32 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #29)
> If you'll look at Regina's suggestion in bug 140655, she considers these
> pages to be "odd page" and "even page", which is just as tight of a relation.
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--- Comment #31 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #30)
> Then change it to use the Default Page Style as the next style if you need
> it to fit a greater number of use cases. I don't consider doing so as
> "weird"
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--- Comment #30 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #29)
> David, the Left Page style has Right Page as its "Next Style" (i.e. style of
> next page), and the Right Page style has Left Page as its "Next Style". So,
>
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--- Comment #29 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #28)
> The first problem you're having is that you consider this a pair that is
> necessarily designed to be used together in the same document.
David, the Left
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--- Comment #28 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #26)
> My point is, that when one actually spells out a supposed use case for these
> styles - either the use case is reasonable/common, but then - the pair of
>
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--- Comment #26 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #25)
> If you don't even notice that people describe use cases, how can we then
> help?
My point is, that when one actually spells out a supposed use case for
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--- Comment #25 from Cor Nouws ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #24)
> What use case is that?
If you don't even notice that people describe use cases, how can we then help?
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--- Comment #22 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
Created attachment 193777
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Attachment 193766 + page borders, headers - PDF
The result of a PDF export of attachment 193776,
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--- Comment #21 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
Created attachment 193776
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Attachment 193766 + page borders, headers - ODT
Exemplifying the partial styling of inserted pages
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--- Comment #20 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #19)
> (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #18)
> > 1. The "blank pages" the PDF has have neither the Left Page nor the Right
> > Page style.
> Of course not.
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--- Comment #19 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #18)
> 1. The "blank pages" the PDF has have neither the Left Page nor the Right
> Page style.
Of course not. If you have a page style set to only display on a
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--- Comment #18 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #16)
> The document works perfectly as designed
I don't know what you mean by "as designed", but the PDF with "export
automatically-inserted blank page" has
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--- Comment #17 from David ---
Created attachment 193769
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Sample chapter break using the right page style
A sample document with a title page and chapter headings
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--- Comment #16 from David ---
Created attachment 193768
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revised use case PDF
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #14)
> I've colored the paragraph backgrounds
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--- Comment #15 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
Created attachment 193767
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David's use case - PDF
... and when we export attachment 193766 to PDF, we indeed get a 3-page PDF
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--- Comment #14 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
Created attachment 193766
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David's use case - ODT
The document is self-describing.
I've colored the paragraph backgrounds
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--- Comment #13 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #12)
> My use case has everything to do with "Left Page" and "Right Page" styles. I
> want the new chapter or section to start specifically on the right side.
Do
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--- Comment #12 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #11)
> (In reply to David from comment #10)
> The use case you described in that comment has nothing to do with a
> distinction between "Left" and "Right" pages, nor
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--- Comment #11 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to David from comment #10)
> I hereby explicitly refute your claim as per my use case described in
> comment #8.
I was answering Heiko...
The use case you described in that comment has
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--- Comment #10 from David ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #9)
> Bug reports don't need "support". You don't see a refutation of my claims.
I hereby explicitly refute your claim as per my use case described in comment
#8.
>
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--- Comment #9 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7)
> (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #6)
> > Just drop these (two) styles...
> I don't see support for your idea.
Bug reports don't need "support".
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--- Comment #8 from David ---
As mention in https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153534#c16, I
can configure a heading paragraph style at the beginning of a chapter or
section to insert a page break with a particular page
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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #6)
> Just drop these (two) styles...
I don't see support for your idea.
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--- Comment #6 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> Invalid, if you want, in terms of removing the PgS but a duplicate of rename
> left/right to even/odd.
Why replace one wrong name with another wrong
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--- Comment #5 from Cor Nouws ---
Eyal, your description of this 'issue' says a lot about what you do not like or
do not understand, but it does not make clear why these page styles do not work
for the job and make it easy to create
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--- Comment #3 from Eyal Rozenberg ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #2)
Apparently, I already _have_ commented there before, to oppose :-(
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