Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Brendan Hide
Ken Brown wrote: Ex: I own a piece of property...but at anytime, anybody in the General Public can use it, dig it up, change it, etc. How can you say I have ownership of the property? I know you've already given up - but just answer the questions below. If I build a jungle-gym in my front

Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Lewis Collard
Brendan Hide r sez: If I build a jungle-gym in my front yard and tell the neighbourhood that their children can all use it - whose is it? If I also say that the parents can make additions to it to make it safer or more exciting - who is the owner after they've made these changes? As was

RE: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Ken Brown
Brendan, Its tough to debate this, particularly because a court has not ruled on any of this ever, so much of the discussion is conjecture. John Cowan et. al are trying to sell you that if you or any other software developer distribute your work under the terms of the GPL, you will be able to

Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread John Cowan
Ken Brown scripsit: John Cowan et. al are trying to sell you that if you or any other software developer distribute your work under the terms of the GPL, you will be able to take a user to court for distributing or modifying your work in a manner that you disagree with. Sure you will.

Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Brendan Hide
Urm... I forgot to CC this to the list. I think I see your point. The real problem comes in when the original copyright owner does not participate in development. If I create A, and somebody else uses it to create B, I can use B to make A better. If my A is the first to be used by the

Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Richard Stallman
It's called the GPL because it assigns certain rights to everyone, not because it makes everyone (or some abstract entity called the general public) the owner. Legally, a GPL-covered work is copyrighted and has certain copyright holders. For certain purposes, it makes a difference

a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Russell Nelson
I'm going to propose a change the Open Source Definition at our board meeting next Thursday. It is simply this: 0) A license may not restrict use or modification of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. Anybody have problems with this? Does this have any problems? -- -russ nelson

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Bruce Perens
My only concern is how this would interact with Larry's new license. Thanks Bruce -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread David Johnson
On Friday 25 October 2002 02:43 pm, Russell Nelson wrote: 0) A license may not restrict use or modification of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. Anybody have problems with this? Does this have any problems? Several of the licenses have conditions on the -public- modification of the work.

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Dr. David Alan Gilbert
* Bruce Perens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: My only concern is how this would interact with Larry's new license. Well I was thinking about GPL on libraries since that restricts what you are allowed to link the library against; (No I'm not trying to get into an argument about the merits or not of

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson scripsit: I'm going to propose a change the Open Source Definition at our board meeting next Thursday. It is simply this: 0) A license may not restrict use or modification of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. What about verbatim copying? Seems to me that shouldn't be

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Dr. David Alan Gilbert
* Russell Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm going to propose a change the Open Source Definition at our board meeting next Thursday. It is simply this: 0) A license may not restrict use or modification of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. Anybody have problems with this? Does this

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Ralph Mellor
I'm going to propose a change the Open Source Definition at our board meeting next Thursday. It is simply this: 0) A license may not restrict use or modification of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. Does OSI certify open documentation licenses? If so, I recall there being optional

RE: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
Do you really mean: A license may not restrict use or modification by the possessor of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. On the other hand, this provision, either your wording or mine, might conflict with the following provision in the OSL: 5) External Deployment. The term External

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Dr. David Alan Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I was thinking about GPL on libraries since that restricts what you are allowed to link the library against; (No I'm not trying to get into an argument about the merits or not of this). Copyright law spells out a number of rights, including

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Russell Nelson
Ralph Mellor writes: PS. I haven't been able to thru to http://www.opensource.org for an hour or so. Packets seem to be stuck in San Jose... Yes, Brian Behlendorf's server was not healthy earlier today. I'm sure that he's working on fixing it. Oh, and I only CC'ed Bruce Perens because he

Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Graham Bassett
Some thoughts on onwership relationships and remedies from OZ - This relationship of ownership could be one that arises in equity as well as copyright - the custodians (or at least the project coordinator) have a fiduciary obligation to others in the group - upon breach of the GPL where a

Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Seth Johnson
John Cowan wrote: Lawrence E. Rosen scripsit: You own a copy of the software under a license from the copyright and patent holders. Why the horror quotes? Ownership is not absolute _alodium_, right enough, but subject to the copyright owner's enumerated interests, ownership of a

Legal History on Natural and Moral vs. Statutory Exclusive Rights

2002-10-25 Thread Seth Johnson
In the struggle of authors and other creators versus publishers and other old world content distribution industries, the creators' side takes recourse on many occasions to the notion of moral rights as found in the Civil Code tradition associated with France. The content industries are perfectly

Re: Copyright

2002-10-25 Thread Nathan Kelley
To OSI License Discussion subscribers, From: Graham Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED], There is authority to show that, at least by analogy, equity could allow such specific performance. Multiple developers could be joined in an action or the open community or communities who have overseen the

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-25 Thread Nathan Kelley
To OSI License Discussion subscribers, From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'm going to propose a change the Open Source Definition at our board meeting next Thursday. It is simply this: 0) A license may not restrict use or modification of a lawfully obtained copy of a work. Anybody

[OT] gstephan@assawompset.com

2002-10-25 Thread Nathan Kelley
To OSI License Discussion subscribers, Sorry to post an OT message, but I wanted to know if other subscribers that post here get a return message from the Assawompset mail system something like this (headers appear to be legitimate): - The addresse had permanent fatal errors -