Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:22:26PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: On 2012-06-20 05:51, Graham Percival wrote: do not recommend any non-Free programs We have a list of non-free ones on the easier editing page - e.g. Noteworthy and my converter. However, it seems daft to me to remove

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 05:31:52PM +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 19/06/12 13:32, Graham Percival wrote: do not recommend any non-Free programs, nor require a non-free program to build 13 I’d better check the licenses of the “Easier editing” programs. If you mean

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-07-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:39:18AM +0100, @tiredpixel wrote: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/References.html Do you happen to know the GNU stance on 'recommending' software licensed under a 'free' license (as defined by http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html), but not GNU?

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 11:40:58AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: The version from github.com/gperciva/git-cl.git ships without the readline module. It is not required for Unixes as it is included with Unix python, I believe. Hmm. If it's as simple as including a bunch of extra .py files, then

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 04:50:13PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Good luck. My personal take on this is not to bother but disable use of the readline module if unavailable. git cl does not ask for interactive input often enough to make

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Description empty; aborting. That just means that git-cl called what it considered an editor, and the file for editing did not change, so git-cl aborted. Another option would be to

Re: building master / fixed all Critical?

2012-07-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 01:21:31PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Il giorno dom, 01/07/2012 alle 23.29 +0100, Graham Percival ha scritto: Could we get a clear note about which commit(s) were reverted and are presumably in limbo? The only patch that has been reverted so far

Re: TablEdit

2012-07-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 08:55:31PM -0600, Colin Campbell wrote: While TablEdit certainly looks impressive, I think we couldn't list it on our website, as it is commercial software. Being a GNU project, Lilypond is free as in beer and free as in speech, so we really can only recommend the same

building master / fixed all Critical?

2012-07-01 Thread Graham Percival
I'm not certain where we stand. Over the weekend, some patches were pushed (by accident?) to master. One (or more?) of those commits broke compiling, and were reverted. This fix was (or will be?) pushed to staging, and people can (or can not?) now compile git master without problems. Could we

Re: issue 6352049 - regtest

2012-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:38:17PM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote: I performed these steps: - creating a new file, naming it: page-headers-and-footers.ly - pasting it into /input/regression - Pressing the Ammend previous commit of the LilyDev-GUI to prepare a new patch set But I can't create a

Re: issue 6352049 - regtest

2012-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 03:32:50PM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote: One tiny thing. The terminal returns as last message: WARNING: could not change issue labels; please email lilypond-devel with the issue number: 2626 Tracker issue done Don't know what that means. It means that your gmail

Re: screech-and-boink.ly

2012-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 05:13:04PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: commit e6a5019c531bbc6663e0eebc645409148dbd8931 Author: John Mandereau - LilyPond development john.mander...@gmail.com Date: Thu Jun 28 18:32:18 2012 +0200 Clean fonts and docs makefiles, trying to fix 'make -j' race

Re: Updates to LSR make - problem?

2012-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 04:39:08PM +0100, Graham Percival wrote: I suggest reverting recent build commits until git master can compile ok, NB: I'm making this suggestion as a normal developer, not as project manager. If anybody really likes build scripts, sees the problem, and can fix

Re: Updates to LSR make - problem?

2012-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 04:23:02PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: in the call to lilypond-book. However, on Mike's machine, build/Doc/snippets/out does not exist - so the makesnippets script hasn't run (or hasn't completed properly). Do we have a missing dependency or something? makesnippets

Re: cherrypicking our way to 2.16

2012-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 11:41:49PM +0200, m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Once the most recent critical issues are squashed, are people up for forking off a stable branch from 2.15? Administratively we'd go into cherrypick mode like we did for 2.13 where we institute a moratorium on pushing to the

Re: which-page (issue 6352049)

2012-06-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:32:53AM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote: 2012/6/28 d...@gnu.org: A feature should be documented, or it will not be discoverable. Well, they should be documented, but I propose to open a new issue to do so. That sounds sensible. In the past we've said that new

Re: Get texidoc translations out of snippets source files (issue 6352053)

2012-06-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 03:56:03PM +, philehol...@googlemail.com wrote: http://codereview.appspot.com/6352053/diff/1/scripts/auxiliar/makelsr.py#newcode79 scripts/auxiliar/makelsr.py:79: default=out/bin, ... it would be better if the default was the build/out directory, and if convert-ly

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:03:27PM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:05 PM, m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote: I can be there for those dates (24th to 28th).  Perhaps not all as I am moving apartments around the 28th but definitely for 2 or 3 days!

Re: [PATCH] which-page

2012-06-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:32:45PM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote: Of course I'm an absolutly newbie with this sort of work. It would be nice if some could explain the next steps how to handle this patch (or point me to the relevant CG-Chapter). Section 1.3 Summary for experienced developers or

Re: Importing, updating, translating and building Lilypond snippets

2012-06-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:39:19PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: It must be possible to check that the snippets extracted from the tarball do not contain new snippets which contain dangerous commands - for example #'(system rm -rf /). It would be possible to use git/gitk to check for changes, but

Re: illness

2012-06-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:46:09PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: i see that some very interesting things are happening. I was inactive in the last days because i've contracted pneumonia, argh... :-[ I hope to participate a bit in the discussions, but not as much as i'd like to. Get well

Re: GOP2: 2 - Stable releases and roadmap (radical change)

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 05:33:47AM +, Keith OHara wrote: Graham Percival graham at percival-music.ca writes: -any regression test which fails to compile or shows incorrect output. For any changed test then, it is probably worth reading the header, to see if a subtle change

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:13:21PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Düsseldorf -- Dortmund -- 45 minutes hourly Sounds good. Ok, I'm in as long as we have at least 3 developers other than myself. So far there's David and Werner. Mike, are you completely unavailable for that period? I recall that

Re: My responses to developers' responses

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 03:23:38PM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: I agree. I do not believe that saying it's too hard is a good solution. I am more than willing to help people this way - I am officially naming myself as New Contributor Czar and will propose a patch in an hour that

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:41:51PM +0200, Marc Hohl wrote: Well, I do not count myself as developer, You've got git push access. Feel like using that to add yourself to Documentation/authors.itexi ? :) - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 08:05:40PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: As to not counting oneself as developer: I think it would make sense to try workshops on programming topics, also with the aim of putting people's wishes into code and giving them a hang of how to continue. Yes, I'm hoping to have

Re: Stable release.

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:07:38PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: The release policies demand 2 weeks without critical regression after a development release. So far, we have rarely lasted a single week. The policies are slated for rediscussion at the end of summer. By that time, we'll not be

Re: LSR updates and translations

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:31:45PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net Cc: Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: Re: LSR updates and translations

Re: Stable release.

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:01:20AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Graham Percival writes: 201-06-27 GOP2-2 - Stable releases and roadmap (radical change) http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/ [empty document] That's a pretty radical change, already ;-) My parents were visiting

Re: Stable release.

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 07:33:12AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: My proposal was just about a release addressing bit rot, namely just making sure that the equivalent of the existing release 2.14.2 can be compiled (with no regressions due to the recompilation) on current systems that insist on

Re: Stable release.

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:07:38PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: The release blocking issues could be fixed with minor reverts. The usual release blockers are not revertible. Even if the current set is get cleared out, history tells us that the time window of two weeks after unstable release

Re: Stable release.

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:30:12AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Assuming that this is a 10-minute job, put stuff in the stable/2.14 git branch, just in case somebody grabs the source from git tarball. It's more than 10 minutes since I

Re: LSR update - a further question

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:59:14AM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le mardi 26 juin 2012 à 10:17 +0100, Phil Holmes a écrit : 2) Use a script to update $LILYPOND_GIT/Documentation/snippets. This deletes all the old snippets except /new; reads all the snippets in the tarball; adds the

Re: Importing, updating, translating and building Lilypond snippets

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:39:19PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: A script is run (makesnippets.py?) which iterates over all the directories in the extracted tarball and all the files in each directory. It adds a line: lsrtags = dir-1, dir-2 to each snippet, where dir-n is the directory name

Re: Importing, updating, translating and building Lilypond snippets

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:21:43PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net Cc: Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:39:19PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: lsrtags = dir-1, dir-2

GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses)

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
*** HTML-formatted version: lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_1.html *** Summary We’re not in terrible shape, but we’re not in good shape either. *** Details Survey sent: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2012-06/msg00192.html There were 11 responses: devA devB devC devD

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:44:19PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Decent communication in electronic media is one of the things I am spectacularly bad at. One thing that has turned out to be effective at times is meeting people in

Re: Stable release.

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 07:19:28PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Le 26/06/2012 09:24, Graham Percival disait : Well, we had at least a week when the only release-critical bug was the po-replace translation thing. It's a bit silly that we couldn't have a release due to a 5-line texinfo

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: So the core data would be Dortmund Germany (about 10 miles from there) and the proposal for a date would Friday August 17th to Tuesday August 21st, or one week later. Any idea about the connectivity with nearby airports? Flying to

GOP2: 2 - Stable releases and roadmap (radical change)

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
Not quite up to the ideal standard of GOP proposals, but there's a lot of interest and this should be enough to see what way the wind is blowing. html-formatted version: http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_3.html *** Summary Let’s drop the “any unintended change” thing, and go totally with the

Re: Treat accidentals parentheses as cautionary (issue 6310065)

2012-06-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 08:58:13AM +, julien.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I just did a git am using his patch, but I'll amend the commit before pushing. Do we need some license statement from Rodolfo? No; lilypond is not FSF-copyright-assigned, so nothing is needed. But thanks for checking! -

Re: Survey response completed [GOP2-0] Why are we losing developers?

2012-06-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:09:14AM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: I have posted all the responses to the survey. Thanks so much for your help, Colin! I suggest that we spend a few days to think about the responses and how we view the project, then start discussing them on Monday. - Graham

Re: Multiple copies of makelsr.py

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:52:52PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: find . -name makelsr.py ./scripts/auxiliar/makelsr.py ./build/input/regression/musicxml/out-test/share/lilypond/current/scripts/auxiliar/makelsr.py

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 03:18:04PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: What happened to the formatting of this email? It looks like section numbers are in wrong places and generally i'm getting lost while reading. If you have it in a text file or something, could you send it as an attachment?

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:22:41PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Here's the first main policy point in GOP 2. For those unfamiliar with GOP, here's a quick summary: make a diff between releases 11.2let’s not bother; interested

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:59:01PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Hmm, I may have misunderstood your comment. If my response about tags doesn't actually answer your concern, please elaborate. A source tarball is not the same as a snapshot

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 05:18:57PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: So there was considerable and non-trivial difference between a vcs diff and a release tarball diff. And the instructions reflect that. I am not really all too sure how to apply this to our situation. At present, I think most

Re: GOP-PROP 2-1: LilyPond is part of GNU

2012-06-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 03:51:21PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: My web space runs windows IIS. We have the .iso and occasional tools (e.g. the regtest rater) running on this. Do you think this is a problem? Ouch, I'd forgotten about the regtest rater. That's C#, right? or is it .NET ? I

Re: [GOP2-0] why are we losing developers? a pseudo-anonymous survey

2012-06-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 08:13:52PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: I'm replying directly as I have nothing to say in secret. ... I suspect those that have truly left will simply not bother replying to Graham's request. Thanks for the replies, Trevor and Jonathan. Other developers: even if you

[GOP2-0] why are we losing developers? a pseudo-anonymous survey

2012-06-13 Thread Graham Percival
I've taken the unusual step of CCing lilypond developers directly instead of merely sending this to -devel. If you consider yourself an ex-lilypond developer, please read. LOSS OF DEVELOPERS We've lost a number of developers over the years due to policies or personalities -- some publicly,

[GOP2-0] why are we losing developers? a pseudo-anonymous survey

2012-06-13 Thread Graham Percival
I've taken the unusual step of CCing lilypond developers directly instead of merely sending this to -devel. If you consider yourself an ex-lilypond developer, please read. LOSS OF DEVELOPERS We've lost a number of developers over the years due to policies or personalities -- some publicly,

giving out git push ability

2012-06-12 Thread Graham Percival
Who thinks they should have git push ability? I usually tell people not to ask unless prompted, so now I'm prompting. General rule of thumb is that you should have a bunch of patches accepted, and generally be a trustworthy character. Or something like that. - Graham

Re: GSoC comparison

2012-06-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:01:16AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: 1.) Replace lex-bison based parser with handwritten parser in gcalctool ... I have the suspicion that the student will learn more than the project. The official response would probably be that's a feature, not a bug. Now

Re: Lilypond miscompiled on Fedora 17

2012-06-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 09:19:31PM +0200, Frédéric Bron wrote: After update, it comes with g++ 4.7.0-5 and lilypon 2.15.39. Please find attached the output which looks good to me. Any idea why it does not come with a stable release (i.e. 2.14)? Because the fedora mainter(s) for lilypond think

Re: Lilypond miscompiled on Fedora 17

2012-06-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 07:55:30PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I've been fairly clear: every release says either  It is strongly recommended that normal users do not use this  release, and instead use

another GUB build failure from translations

2012-06-05 Thread Graham Percival
file from VC not distributed: lilypond-2.15.40/Documentation/fr/texidocs/broken-crescendo-hairpin.ly rm -rf /tmp/tmpEc298t Traceback (most recent call last): File test-lily/dist-check.py, line 137, in module main () File test-lily/dist-check.py, line 132, in main check_files (tarball,

Re: another GUB build failure from translations

2012-06-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 05:15:54PM +0200, Francisco Vila wrote: 2012/6/5 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: It looks like an error in the French translation's file name - it's there as broken-crescendo-hairpin.ly whereas in es/texidocs/ (for example) it's broken-crescendo-hairpin.texidoc

Re: GUB on recent Ubuntu release

2012-06-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 06:47:28PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: I'm aware that libmpfr is a listed requirement for GUB and I have apt-get installed it. However, I see that libmpfr is also built by GUB. Not sure if it is host or cross. The history here is a bit vague, but in case you haven't

Re: GUB on recent Ubuntu release

2012-06-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 11:15:34AM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: I'm attempting GUB on 64-bit VM runing Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS Progress so far attached. Advice welcome. sorry, one-handed typing while eating. see gub README for list of requirements. much less than lilypond build requirements.

Re: GUB on recent Ubuntu release

2012-06-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 12:56:58PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 11:15:33AM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: I'm attempting GUB on 64-bit VM runing Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS Build failed on odcctools that sounds normal, see lilypond-devel list of previous failures. (with

Re: new bar-lines / issue 1320

2012-06-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:01:44PM +0200, Marc Hohl wrote: Am 04.06.2012 13:21, schrieb Janek Warchoł: How about ! then? It actually has both | and . in it, and it _is_ a sentence ending punctuation. I missed something; why not keep . for the thick one? as in the current |. ? = cound be

Re: Document and improve other simultanous music documentation. (issue 6248080)

2012-06-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 11:39:05AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi David (et al.), Well, we have two separate complete sentences, and joined with a comma the reader is easily confused into reading attempts as a verb, even though admittedly it would be singular and thus not a complete

Re: GUB error

2012-06-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 03:28:12PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: Tail of target/darwin-ppc/log/lilypond.log make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gub/gub/target/darwin-ppc/build/lilypond-git.sv.gnu.org--lilypond.git-master/po' make: *** [all]

Re: GUB build diary

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 11:03:04AM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: I've done a little more work, see attached. Any suggestions on how to debug the netpbm script would be welcome. right. Oops, I'd forgotten about this until just now: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2184 That's

Re: GUB unofficial release still relevant?

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:30:18PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: I've just created fresh binaries with GUB. Previously [1] you suggested uploading these to create an unofficial release. Still of interest? As a general note, yes. Right at the moment with 2.16 hopefully in three days, I think

Re: Website uploads please check

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 01:07:18PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: That GUB build just finished, including the docs, and I saw a slew of rsync invocations near the end of the build: Er, did that just update the main website by any chance? no, you don't have a login. But I thought that stuff

Re: Document and improve other simultanous music documentation. (issue 6248080)

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 03:59:19PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: tdanielsmu...@googlemail.com writes: On 2012/06/02 09:56:57, dak wrote: Can you point to a coding standard or rationale for LilyPond regarding only using @ref? Yes. CG 5.4.2: To create links, use @ref{} if the link

Re: GUB unofficial release still relevant?

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 04:13:12PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: http://lilypond.org/test/v2.15.39-1/compare-v2.15.38-1/index.html Good, I'd expect them to be identical. The only difference is that the Lilypond website says: 1045 below threshold 2027 unchanged whereas my GUB output says:

Re: GUB unofficial release still relevant?

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:55:20PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:44:53PM +0100, Graham Percival wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:30:18PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: I've just created fresh binaries with GUB. Previously [1] you suggested uploading these to create

Re: GUB unofficial release still relevant?

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 04:50:03PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: Hmm. I get no previous results to compare with. Could you let me know exactly what you've got in your gub/regtests directory, please? gperciva@gperciva-desktop:~/src/gub (master)$ pwd /home/gperciva/src/gub

Re: GUB unofficial release still relevant?

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 07:14:26PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: See: http://www.charltonhall.eclipse.co.uk/ That's the space I get with my ISP account so bandwidth (cost) might be an issue. Would be nice if someone could mirror it so somewhere more robust/cheaper. Ok. Alternately, you could

Re: GUB unofficial release still relevant?

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 08:37:48PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Ok. Alternately, you could only put up a few binaries (say, darwin-x86, mingw, linux-x86, and linux-64). Also, advertizing it on lilypond-user as unofficial binaries will probably get you between 10 and 100 downloads in

Re: GUB unofficial release still relevant?

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 08:33:24PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Lilypond Dev lilypond-devel@gnu.org If anybody else wants to chime in and offer hosting, of course that would be quite appreciated. I'm personally

Re: GUB build diary

2012-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:14:37PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 07:24:20PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Graham Percival writes: Alternately, you may want to take a look at improving GUB yourself, especially since that's how this started. :) +1 Do you

Re: GUB build diary

2012-06-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 12:56:33PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: In the hope that it might help others, see attached diary of my work building a Lilypond release with GUB, making a trivial edit, pushing the changes to github, and submitting a pull request to Graham. Wow! I only gave it a quick

Re: GUB build diary

2012-06-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 12:56:33PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: In the hope that it might help others, see attached diary of my work building a Lilypond release with GUB, making a trivial edit, pushing the changes to github, and submitting a pull request to Graham. Ok, some more detailed

European lilypond meetings

2012-05-31 Thread Graham Percival
I'm floating two possibilities for face-to-face lilypond meetings in the next few months. UK: I'll be in the Birmingham area on 26 June. Depending on interest and availability, there could be a short meeting that day, or a longer meeting including a stay at a BB or something like that. If

assistants for GOP and GLISS

2012-05-30 Thread Graham Percival
It would be useful if there were a few people interested in helping prepare discussions for GOP and GLISS. This would involve a number of 1-3 hour research+writing tasks. Typical examples of this work are: - read this 3000-word document and summarize the 10 bullet points that apply to us, -

Re: one week until 2.16.0

2012-05-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 06:37:48PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Le 29/05/2012 23:11, Graham Percival disait : Friendly reminder -- since there are no Type-Critical issues either open or in the issues to verify, 2.15.39 is aimed to become 2.16.0 in one week. Do you plan to build

one week until 2.16.0

2012-05-29 Thread Graham Percival
Friendly reminder -- since there are no Type-Critical issues either open or in the issues to verify, 2.15.39 is aimed to become 2.16.0 in one week. If you do not think that this is appropriate, then take appropriate action in the issue tracker. Do not tell me about it because I don't want to

Re: How to check integrity of GUB binaries

2012-05-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 03:06:56PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: Is there some way I can check the integrity of these installers? Not a generic way. You could install the ones native to your own systems (darwin-x86 and linux-x86 inside lilydev, I guess?). If you have a web server, you could upload

Re: web: news about cancelled rc (issue 6223054)

2012-05-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 06:37:59PM +, d...@gnu.org wrote: Five rounds of guesswork from several developers for a single sentence would not seem like the most efficient use of manpower for proceeding on this item. Agreed; just go ahead and push whatever you have right now. Regardless of

Re: Cppcheck reports patch for 2546

2012-05-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 08:30:50AM +0200, Julien Nabet wrote: Since I don't have a Google account to sign in to http://codereview.appspot.com/, I attached the patch for 2546. Don't hesitate to tell me if it's ok or not. (I attached a link to why prefix is better). Unfortunately we do not

Re: Successful GUB make bootstrap and bin/gub lilypond-installer

2012-05-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 08:53:32AM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: Yes. I followed this documentation: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor-big-page#lilydev http://www.philholmes.net/lilypond/LilyDev/ubuntu-LilyDev-remix-2.6.iso Great! Could I convince you to send a merge

Re: musicxml2ly

2012-05-16 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:33:09AM +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: I did not see a reaction to this question, so I try again. What happened with this musicxml2ly bug ? First chords were printed below the staff, then I think it was fixed, and now the chords are below the staff again.

Re: GUB make bootstrap failed at download of linux headers 2.4.34

2012-05-16 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:30:36PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: Running download_url ('http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.34.tar.bz2', '/home/colin/gub/downloads/linux-headers') {} Traceback (most recent call last): ... Is this a surprise? I'm slightly surprised,

Re: Patchy email

2012-05-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 04:56:14PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Il giorno lun, 14/05/2012 alle 15.46 +0200, Graham Percival ha scritto: Either is fine with me. A sensible default value could be patchy %s % (os.hostname()) assuming there's a command like that in os. On second thought

Re: Configuring git-cl

2012-05-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:51:30PM +0200, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: On 15 May 2012 16:35, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: IIRC the git-cl on my github account adds a URL which allows us to search for lilypond patches (which would further reduce the chance of lost patches

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 07:18:58PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: It's nice, but i'd go farther: what about adding an editorial property to objects? User could mark some items as editorial and LilyPond would take care of the rest: she would put the editorial dynamics in brackets, make editorial

Re: Patchy email

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:07:23PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Ok, this time I got $ cat /home/lilydev/lilypond-auto-compile-results/log-2012-05-14-14.txt Begin LilyPond compile, commit: c597a126f11943be74a98efee056ab54ae729315 Merged staging, now at:

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:51:42PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 14/05/12 11:47, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: This is very hard because of the butterfly effect - an A-flat in an already-crammed line could lead to new line breaking, which means new vertical spacing etc.. I don't

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:52:32AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 14/05/12 07:37, Graham Percival wrote: No. LilyPond is a command-line compiler. That's something that would happen in an alternate program. I'm not disputing that, or suggesting that you go into GUI/IDE territory

Re: Server at Paris VIII

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 02:25:29PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Hi Graham, Il giorno dom, 13/05/2012 alle 19.24 +0200, Graham Percival ha scritto: Agreed. I think the most we'd use it for would be LSR. I don't think we should give ssh logins to developers for testing patches; that should

Re: Patchy email

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:38:33PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: IIUC the From: field is not read from a config file but is hardcoded in compile_lilypond_test.py:55, can we set up to a sensible default value, or should it be made configurable? Either is fine with me. A sensible default value

Re: Doc build hanging (with memory leak?)

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:48:54PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 14/05/12 11:41, David Kastrup wrote: Before saying anything more, I'm sorry if my earlier email was offensive or intemperate; it wasn't meant to be. Ditto. I was writing out of concern for the ease of

Re: commit access

2012-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:28:47PM +0200, Benkő Pál wrote: dear team and Project Manager, I'd like to get commit access. Make an account at savannah, and send a request via the savannah project page. I'll act on it within 48 hours (wifi connection at this hotel isn't the greatest). - Graham

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:14:27PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: I think it's about the big picture stuff and general design. At the moment, i don't see any vision that we - The LilyPond Development Team - have about how the future of the project should look like, oh, I definitely have a vision

Re: Doc build hanging (with memory leak?)

2012-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:38:54AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: Here you go. :-) Let me know if it needs tweaking or might be better in another section of the guide. Please see the summary for experienced developers in the CG. - Graham ___

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:51:45AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 13/05/12 23:34, Graham Percival wrote: LilyPond itself will remain as a command-line compiler. So this question can be split into two separate ones: - what capabilities should alternate programs (i.e. frescobaldi

Re: Doc build hanging (with memory leak?)

2012-05-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:56:33PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 12/05/12 13:37, David Kastrup wrote: and that does not quite work. It would appear that the error handling for a missing texi2html script is totally awful. I'd install texi2html and rerun configure. Texi2html was

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