Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-08 Thread tdanielsmusic
http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely File Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely#newcode3961

Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-08 Thread k-ohara5a5a
http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely File Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely#newcode4087

Re: [Parser] Lookahead in music function arguments

2012-10-08 Thread Keith OHara
Werner LEMBERG wl at gnu.org writes: I lean towards letting numbers in function arguments just evaluate to themselves, never mind units. Sensible. +1. However, it should be documented, together with the work-around. It was only a couple months ago that David allowed 3\cm to be used as

Re: [Parser] Lookahead in music function arguments

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: Werner LEMBERG wl at gnu.org writes: I lean towards letting numbers in function arguments just evaluate to themselves, never mind units. Sensible. +1. However, it should be documented, together with the work-around. It was only a couple months

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/08/2012 01:03 AM, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Actually, thinking of it, it would actually be quite simple to calculate the displayed fraction with durations from the given durations and the tuplet fraction (except that there is no way to distinguish 3:2 and 4:6). (m*dur1):(n*dur2) = tuplet

Re: [Parser] Lookahead in music function arguments

2012-10-08 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/10/8 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: Werner LEMBERG wl at gnu.org writes: I lean towards letting numbers in function arguments just evaluate to themselves, never mind units. Sensible. +1. However, it should be documented, together with the

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-08 Thread James
Ian, On 6 October 2012 16:40, Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk wrote: On 05/10/12 08:10, James wrote: Hello, On 5 October 2012 00:19, Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk wrote: This is a proposal to move the triplet/tuplet discussion forward. There will be new commands to supplement (or eventually

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
David Kastrup writes: Negative connotation. But reversed (see below) it is not actually that bad. it is strongly recommended that only experienced users try working with this release. Everyone else is encouraged to use the stable 2.16 version instead. Something like that. Why not

Re: [Parser] Lookahead in music function arguments

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: 2012/10/8 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: Werner LEMBERG wl at gnu.org writes: I lean towards letting numbers in function arguments just evaluate to themselves, never mind units. Sensible. +1.

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/07/2012 01:22 PM, David Kastrup wrote: I'd rephrase the first two sentences as This version contains work in progress. Only users who are prepared to deal with crashes or unexpected ... +1 I think this is the best way to characterize it. You might want to rephrase it slightly to

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: - This version contains work in progress. You will have access to the very latest features, but some may be incomplete, and you may encounter bugs and crashes. If you

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes: David Kastrup writes: Negative connotation. But reversed (see below) it is not actually that bad. it is strongly recommended that only experienced users try working with this release. Everyone else is encouraged to use the stable 2.16 version

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: - This version contains work in progress. You will have access to the very latest features, but some may be incomplete,

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: I have no problem with having more commands in that while 'musos' might have their terms, I have the good fortune to play with semi-professionals and also teachers who when I queried said [I paraphrase], well sure I guess you could technically call them that,

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/08/2012 01:29 PM, James wrote: I have the good fortune to play with semi-professionals and also teachers who when I queried said [I paraphrase], well sure I guess you could technically call them that, but 'no one really does' and besides when do you stop calling them their numerically

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-08 Thread James
Hello, On 8 October 2012 14:19, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: On 10/08/2012 01:29 PM, James wrote: I have the good fortune to play with semi-professionals and also teachers who when I queried said [I paraphrase], well sure I guess you could technically call them

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote Monday, October 08, 2012 1:19 PM I think this is the best way to characterize it. You might want to rephrase it slightly to make it more personal to the reader: - This version contains work in progress. You will have access to

Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-08 Thread tdanielsmusic
On 2012/10/08 07:46:09, Keith wrote: Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:4087: -\tweak #'control-points #'((-2 . 3) (-1 . 3.1) (0 . 3.2) (1 . 2.4)) ( ) g2( ) f is the same as g2( f) so any implication that the does something different might mislead. They are, of course,

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling

Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-08 Thread graham
LGTM https://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely File Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely#newcode3901

Re: [Parser] Lookahead in music function arguments

2012-10-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote: Speaking as a user: I never used 3\cm (don't like it), but I know others did (in \paper ). So no objection from me, and there will be the workaround. Wait, does David suggest to change things so that we won't

Re: convert-ly (issue 2670) (issue 6610058)

2012-10-08 Thread graham
The changelog says Don't update \version when no rule is applied. That's what the existing -d --diff-version-update command does. If this is intended to be the default behaviour now, then the command-line option should be removed. I would rather keep convert-ly as-is (in terms of this

Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-08 Thread janek . lilypond
http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely File Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/10001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely#newcode3961

Re: convert-ly (issue 2670) (issue 6610058)

2012-10-08 Thread Julien Rioux
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM, gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: The changelog says Don't update \version when no rule is applied. That's what the existing -d --diff-version-update command does. If this is intended to be the default behaviour now, then the command-line option should be

Re: convert-ly (issue 2670) (issue 6610058)

2012-10-08 Thread dak
On 2012/10/08 20:08:20, Graham Percival wrote: The changelog says Don't update \version when no rule is applied. That's what the existing -d --diff-version-update command does. No, that's what the existing -d --diff-version-update is supposed to do. The problem was that if the last

Re: [Parser] Lookahead in music function arguments

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote: Speaking as a user: I never used 3\cm (don't like it), but I know others did (in \paper ). So no objection from me, and there will be the workaround. Wait,

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, i had some spare time when commuting, so i've written down a few thoughts on this topic. First, we shouldn't mix content and presentation. I think it's a very important rule; one of the best things in LilyPond is that she allows to separate music from its layout. I think that what Joseph

Re: [Parser] Lookahead in music function arguments

2012-10-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:40 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Wait, does David suggest to change things so that we won't be able to write \paper { indent = 2\cm } ? No, he doesn't. Or does the suggested change concern something else?

Re: [GLISS] why the hell all this fuss

2012-10-08 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: On 08/09/12 16:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: I have in the past talked with people from Henle; also, Schirmer has a style guide that you can order as a book. How far in the past are we talking about?

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/10/8 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: [...] Joseph mentioned scores in which tuplet style changes all the time. I think that a proper solution to this problem is to create custom shortcuts for overriding TupletNumber style - this way you still have layout separated from score

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: [...] So, i believe that LilyPond shouldn't always follow her users' intuition, even if they are professional musicians. In this case, i think that \tuplet 2/3 is better than \tuplet 3/2 (for 3 notes in time of 2), because it corresponds

Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-08 Thread tdanielsmusic
On 2012/10/08 20:04:21, Graham Percival wrote: LGTM Thanks! Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:3901: @itemize technically this would be better as an @enumerate a, but this isn't a big deal. Ah yes, I'd forgotten that. I'll change it in the next patch set, since I have to

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/10/8 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: [...] So, i believe that LilyPond shouldn't always follow her users' intuition, even if they are professional musicians. In this case, i think that \tuplet 2/3 is better than \tuplet 3/2 (for 3 notes

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45 PM Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: [...] So, i believe that LilyPond shouldn't always follow her users' intuition, even if they are professional musicians. In this case, i think that \tuplet 2/3 is better than

Re: [GLISS] turn xxx.yyy into (xxx yyy)

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: \override Bottom.TextSpanner #'(bound-details left text) = rit. as \override Bottom.TextSpanner bound-details.left.text = rit. I like this. Voila. URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2883 -- David Kastrup

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 11:49:39PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: David Kastrup wrote Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45 PM Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: In this case, i think that \tuplet 2/3 is better than \tuplet 3/2 (for 3 notes in time of 2), because it

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/08/2012 10:44 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: First, we shouldn't mix content and presentation. I think it's a very important rule; one of the best things in LilyPond is that she allows to separate music from its layout. Yes, fair point. But one thing to be careful of particularly as regards

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/10/9 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 11:49:39PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: David Kastrup wrote Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45 PM Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: In this case, i think that \tuplet 2/3 is better than \tuplet

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/08/2012 11:25 PM, Thomas Morley wrote: But once I saw a bigband-part for guitar, notated with changing clefs between bass and treble. Well, it was the real treble, no transposition. That it was the real treble was only understandable from the context. The real stupidity there is surely

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/09/2012 01:12 AM, Graham Percival wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 11:49:39PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Absolutely! Inverting the fraction for \tuplet was the original reason for inventing it, IIRC. Woah, really? I thought the whole point was to avoid the confusion between \time and

Patchy report

2012-10-08 Thread grenouille
21:58:01 (UTC) Begin LilyPond compile, previous commit at c7a3623a056891d48b13fe14fd6ee042ac666822 21:58:27 Merged staging, now at:c7a3623a056891d48b13fe14fd6ee042ac666822 21:58:29Success:sudo -u lilybuild ./autogen.sh --noconfigure 21:59:05Success:

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 11:49:39PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: David Kastrup wrote Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45 PM Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: In this case, i think that \tuplet 2/3 is better than \tuplet

Make arguments like Context.GrobName accessible as symbol lists (issue 6635050)

2012-10-08 Thread lemzwerg
LGTM, without testing, and without really understanding the change. However, simplifications and generalizations are always a good thing. http://codereview.appspot.com/6635050/diff/1/Documentation/de/notation/pitches.itely File Documentation/de/notation/pitches.itely (right):

Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-08 Thread pkx166h
http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/17001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely File Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6561064/diff/17001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely#newcode3916

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-08 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Trevor Daniels wrote: David Kastrup wrote Monday, October 08, 2012 10:45 PM Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: [...] So, i believe that LilyPond shouldn't always follow her users' intuition, even if they are professional musicians. In this case, i