Re: Article in German LinuxUser magazine

2009-09-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:40:59AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op maandag 21-09-2009 om 22:47 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Alexander Kobel: today at the train station I stumbled across the German LinuxUser magazine, featuring an article about music engraving. I found myself

Re: Article in German LinuxUser magazine

2009-09-22 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:46:32AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote: Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Thanks for mentioning this. I found it can be downloaded from http://www.linux-user.de/Downloads/LUCE/2009/lu-ce_2009-10.pdf Any volunteers for adding this to web/publications? The article about

Re: command-line usage - bus error (was: Re: lily2image)

2009-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
When you installed 2.13.4, did you remember to delete the old lilypond app? If you didn't, that would explain why everything is screwed up now. You could also try deleting any $HOME/.font* directories you find, as well as the lilypond app, before downloading 2.13.4 and trying again. Cheers, -

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:25:26AM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: Hmm. Maybe it's a problem with 2.13.3. I don't know about this file in particular, but I now see that there definitely *are* some files which require 2.13.4. I installed 2.13.4 and tried to build documentation. I'm sorry

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:05:23AM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: Hmm. What happens if you try to compile input/typography-demo.ly manually? Try adding a -V to the lilypond call. I get a bus error (see file attached) Hmm. Maybe it's a problem with 2.13.3. I don't know about this file in

Re: Two systems in one line

2009-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 08:10:30AM +0200, Jörg Krause wrote: I am working with very small scores of 2 beams. I want to put two of those scores into one line, each of them in a separate system. This means, that in the line, a new system has to begin, separated from the first one by a

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 09:01:06AM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: This step is the cause of your problems, BTW. Remember to add two files: pngtopnm, and pnmtopng, and change the relevant portion of the second line. In which directory do I have to save these two files? Any directory such

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 09:09:33AM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: which pngtopnm returns /opt/local/bin/pngtopnm, so it seems to work. No, that is wrong. As I said before, which pngtopnm should return the directory in which you put the files. Did you make them executable? You might want to

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:50:11PM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: I created two files (pngtopnm and pnmtopng). This is what they look like: That all looks good now. I proceeded according to CG section Building documentation without compiling LilyPond. (I also changed the FLEXLEXER_File line

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 08:22:37AM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: and added export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources:\ /opt/local/lib:$DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH That probably won't do anything.

Re: Contemporary music documentation

2009-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 10:08:02PM +0100, Neil Puttock wrote: 2009/9/4 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: setInstrumentName = #(define-music-function (parser location instrument-name) (string?)  #{    \set Staff.instrumentName = $instrument-name  #}) I'm not in favour of this type

Re: mugshots for web page? [WAS: The LilyPond Report, again!]

2009-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 07:45:54PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op maandag 07-09-2009 om 14:43 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Graham Percival: On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:50:44AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: However, I don't particularly want my photo on the lilypond website

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:07:37PM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: I added export PATH=$PATH:/opt/local/bin to .bash_profile and created the directories portslocation and dports manually. Then I entered export PATH=$PATH:/opt/local/bin and got the same error messages as above. Maybe this

Re: problems building documentation without compiling LilyPond

2009-09-10 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:06:13PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Donnerstag, 10. September 2009 18:27:04 schrieb Patrick Schmidt: I'm having problems to build documentation (without compiling LilyPond) on MacOS X 10.4.11. My www-out directory only contains the file dummy.dep. For

Re: [Fwd: Cron 404 report]

2009-09-08 Thread Graham Percival
Fine, deleted. I'll look at this again when I've arrived in Glasgow. - Graham On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 12:12:19PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Hi, It would be nice if you added symlinks for pictures and examples, or removed this css test draft from lilypond.org ... Content-Description:

Re: midi2ly 3/4 time

2009-09-08 Thread Graham Percival
midi2ly is not supported any more, so you're almost certainly on your own here. Sorry, - Graham On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 12:43:36AM +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Hi, Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I'm having problems with midi2ly. It can't produce even the simplest tune in 3/4 time

Re: Feature Request: ^\times and _\times

2009-09-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 03:59:24PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Something else I just though of, is that there isn't a shortcut for setting the direction of stems that aren't beamed. It would be helpful if there were a shortcut you could put after c4 to set the stem direction. Maybe like

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 12:50:50PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Most images are broken. Could it be that you did not run post-www.py? Images are fine on master. For various reasons, he's working on web-gop, and for various reasons, images don't work on web-gop. And no, it's not worth fixing

Re: mugshots for web page? [WAS: The LilyPond Report, again!]

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:50:44AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: made me think: wouldn't it be nice to have photos of all developers/ translators on the new authors page? I have mixed feelings about this. I must admit that I was surprised at how much the photos add to the Testimonials page

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:41:15AM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: Two minor comments: - On the homepage, it would be nice if the two subsubheadings for Stable and Unstable didn't have the same bg-color (a little brownish for the unstable release, accordingly to our color-code). IIRC that

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 12:54:13PM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote: The tiny border that appears underneath the top navigation bar is the result of background colors showing through, since the line-height/padding of the text is slightly larger than the gradient images. What happens if we simply

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:25:28PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: GPL page: should the page mention that Lilypond is released under GPLv2 or later? It's not; lilypond is currently GPLv2. Testimonials page: note that the convention for English with multiple paragraphs being quoted is to

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:02:29PM +0200, Patrick Schmidt wrote: What happens if we simply remove that background color? I mean, if we're displaying a png, we don't *want* any background color in there anyway. Why don't we want any background colors? Don't they ensure that the basic

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:30:14PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Graham Percival wrote: On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:25:28PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: GPL page: should the page mention that Lilypond is released under GPLv2 or later? It's not; lilypond is currently GPLv2

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:28:24PM +0100, Neil Puttock wrote: 2009/9/7 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: I don't see anything wrong with double-quotes inside double-quotes... are you proposing that they should be replaced with single-quotes?  (that said, they should use @qq

Re: website draft 9

2009-09-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 05:11:10PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 9/7/09 3:37 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Sounds like a mistake in the packaging. COPYING in the source tree says GPLv2. But GPL v2 has as part of its text or (at your option) any later version

Re: Articulate midi script

2009-09-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 12:23:28PM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote: @ Valentin, yeah would be nice if we could improve the midi output by default. I can remember I mentioned this before, but one comment (not from you) was that Lilypond was mainly a notation typesetter... And while been

Re: Articulate midi script

2009-09-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 01:49:12PM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 18:53:37 +0100 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Of course there's nothing wrong with having both! However, nobody else wants to work on midi output. Again, why not get in touch

Re: The LilyPond Report, again!

2009-09-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 12:57:41PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: (Unless this was an inside joke and everybody is laughing at me now?) :-) Sucker! Cheers, - Graham Parsifal. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: custum dynamic marks: how to left align instead of center below a note?

2009-09-05 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 09:12:03PM +0200, Frédéric Bron wrote: Is there a way to say the the next dynamic event should be left aligned instead of centered? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-09/msg00811.html I really should have added that to LSR by now. Cheers, - Graham

Re: Lilypond Speed

2009-09-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 10:52:13PM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: Actually, I stumbled upon something very odd: though I haven't the exact numbers, with 2.12 my opera used to compile in ~40 minutes on Win32, ~25 minutes on Linux64 -- but now that I have upgraded to the latest git sources

Re: Making the .texi files

2009-09-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 05:09:58PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: When I'm testing my doc revisions I check them by attempting to build the docs, at least as far as the .texi files (in fact, I've been having problems building the HTML/PDF docs which seem to be down to failing regression tests).

Re: Contemporary music documentation

2009-09-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 04:57:11PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 9/4/09 10:27 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Carl Sorensen wrote c_soren...@byu.edu Friday, September 04, 2009 3:06 PM Also, as you plan sections, remember that anything using \set or \override belongs

Re: Contemporary music documentation

2009-09-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:15:50PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: (iii) What are the restrictions on including examples from actual contemporary scores? I'm not thinking huge extracts, but maybe a couple of bars from a known work just to illustrate how a

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 04:13:56PM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: But in this instance, the majority of coders line up in opposition. You have shouted down the users, but convinced none. Why? Because you are wrong. We don't care. We don't have to. We're the telephone company. Cheers, -

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:40:41PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Yes, but most novices with no knowledge of lilypond or music theory won't be writing in 5 sharps or flats, double-sharps or flats, or b/c e/f sharp/flats. These accidentals are common. B-sharp crops up in jazz tunes, even

Re: Have a title page, but also default headers on first score page

2009-08-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:30:58AM +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: So I have had a look at the code and found scoreTitleMarkup = \markup \null BTW, this would probably be better written as scoreTitleMarkup = ##f But there is one last thing: How can I get the copyright notice on

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 01:34:28PM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: I would just hope (and certainly voice my desire) that the powers that be — Han-Wen, Graham, etc. — would not add such a function to the base distribution, nor give it any serious face-time in the documentation. Rest assured

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:33:08AM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: It is also perfectly reasonable for a person who has been writing music for decades for it to make no sense. Why? Because it makes no sense, and never did. Welcome to Western musical notation. If you want something to

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:01:05PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If the above seems confusing, consider this: if you were playing a piano, which key would you hit? If you would press a black key, then you must add -is or -es to the note name! The hint at the end about black keys

Re: Rhythm

2009-08-26 Thread Graham Percival
You're not writing g8 to get a fourth 16th note; you're writing g8 to get an eighth note. Evidently your source material (I haven't looked at the youtube video myself) has two 16s and one 8th note. Cheers, - Graham On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 02:18:16PM -0400, Christian Henning wrote: Considering

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:46:59AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: For the developers, I think that something is confusing here for English speakers: the use of -es and -is for flatted and sharped notes as the default. I was initially bewildered by this, not knowing that the default

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:05:45AM -0400, Leonardo Herrera wrote: I do have a suggestion: I would add two examples to the section that shows this clearly. How is that more clear than: In this example: \key d \major d cis fis No note has a printed accidental, but you must still

Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:39:37AM -0700, Sona wrote: I'm new to Lilypond and the list. So far the code is pretty intuitive, but I am stumped by the way accidentals work. Several posts deal with this subject, but probably are beyond a novice's ability to undertand. No. Those posts tried a

Re: Accidental_engraver Naturals

2009-08-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:03:13PM +0700, Simon Mackenzie wrote: I haven't been able to figure out how to replicate the three naturals on this music sheet using Lilypond script? Any ideas? Yes. My idea is that you should read:

Re: polyphony in tablature

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 09:46:16AM +0200, Marc Hohl wrote: WARNING: Unable to load the map file Undefined subroutine main:: called at /home/marc/git/lilypond/Documentation/lilypond-texi2html.init line 743. make[2]: *** [out-test/collated-files.html] Error 255 rm

Re: GDP and (Learning Manual and Notation Reference)

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:43:24AM -0400, Ralph Palmer wrote: Is the GDP dead? Yes, but there's always room for more doc work. Also, GDP2 might start in a month or two. If not, is there anything ready for indexing? If not, should I start working on reviewing something? I would be willing to

Re: Naturals Accidental_engraver

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 03:13:40PM +0700, Simon Mackenzie wrote: It will be helpful not to think about the problem from the Lilypond side of things. No, that will not be helpful. Stop and go back to read the tutorial. Pay attention to the warnings about key signatures and accidentals. The

Re: Lilypond language definition for Notepad++

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
Many of those words are from bagpipe.ly and related non-automatically-included files. I'm not certain they *should* be included in that list. There are some properties that probably should be included, but I'd caution anybody to check that those properties really aren't included in the most

Re: polyphony in tablature

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 01:54:07PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le vendredi 21 août 2009 à 08:49 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : You're using texinfo 1.8.2. Yes, it would be nice if the configure script checked for the doc-building programs (this request is already on the tracker

website gradients

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
Hi Patrick, The voting results are quite inconclusive: Solid: 4 Gradients are easier to see, but solids are easier to read: 3 Gradients: 8 (with a different color scheme) If we interpret the see/read option as a cautious vote for solids, then we almost have a tie. ... oh wait, I didn't count

Re: website menus: gradient vs. solid

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:51:01PM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Graham, Please DO NOT complain that brown gradients doesn't fit the color scheme; changing the colors (either of the gradients or the rest of the page) is easy. Regardless, you've likely skewed the poll results [which way,

box sizes in lilypond-book vs. normal

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:48:12PM +0200, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/test.tex http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/score.ly To compile: lilypond-book --pdf --o=out test.tex cd out pdflatex test Observe: difference between squares in text and score. Ok, I've

Re: polyphony in tablature

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:31:04PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le vendredi 21 août 2009 à 21:53 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : Ah, I was unclear. It checks for texi2html (oops, I meant to say that above!), but not the version number. Does it really on your system?! Please test

Re: GDP and (Learning Manual and Notation Reference)

2009-08-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 01:57:29PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le vendredi 21 août 2009 à 08:54 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : LM 5 is being moved into the AU, What's the rationale for this? I must have missed in some discussion on the lists, but I couldn't find it in Git commit message

Re: Minor releases?

2009-08-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:51:40AM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: What I do not understand is how mere bugfixes are irrelevant to the user of stable releases. Seems to me that fixes are the most important factors, if not the only factors, in making a choice of *minor* versions of stable

Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?

2009-08-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 06:04:41PM +0200, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: My first instinct is that something like this could be fixed, although not without a proper minimal example. Sorry, I should have posted a minimal example. Here is one: http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/tmp/test.tex

Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?

2009-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 03:41:24PM +0200, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: is it possible to include some arbitrary TeX expression in a score? Let's assume that for some reason I want to add $\int_0^\infty ...$ above a note. Can it be done? I assume that in the worst case I can produce an image

Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?

2009-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:20:50PM +0200, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: Quoting Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: There's no easier way. Producing an eps and including that in a markup is the only way. If you want lots of introductory explanations, you could use lilypond-book, but I

Re: arbitrary TeX expressions in a score?

2009-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:58:46PM +0200, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: With the possible exception of the font commands for markup or things like the current date and time, I don't think that lilypond output should depend on the computer. Doesn't it already depend on a LaTeX installation?

Re: Need some help with \include makam.ly

2009-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:00:10PM +0100, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Trevor Daniels wrote: Trevor: the actual table goes in pitches.itely (obviously), while we should add a NR 2.9.2 Makam or Turkish or something. I guess that section will only contain a References for... subsection, but

Re: Need some help with \include makam.ly

2009-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:07:44PM +0100, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Neil Puttock wrote: Can you suggest any improvements for this snippet's documentation? It does already mention where the pitch names are defined (ly/makam.ly). An actual link to LM section 4.6.3 would help. Also, the

Re: Need some help with \include makam.ly

2009-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 01:02:23PM +0100, Joseph Wakeling wrote: So it seems worthwhile to gradually build up the available documentation on them until a more extensive description is completed and can be incorporated into its own part of the docs. I told you how to build up the available

Re: Wideining one measure so that dynamics don't overlap

2009-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 01:56:04PM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Reinhold, How can I make that one measure wider, while all other measures are spaced normally? Here are a couple of ideas: 1. \override the NoteColumn #'X-extent 2. \override the Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn

Re: Automatically checking regtests (was: Re: Minor releases?)

2009-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 05:17:08PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Montag, 17. August 2009 16:08:36 schrieb Michael Käppler: (nobody checks the regression tests for each release, for example -- and that's trivially done with a web browser!) That reminds me of an idea I recently

Re: Need some help with \include makam.ly

2009-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:41:07PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival wrote Monday, August 17, 2009 11:30 AM I know the snippet documentation is meant to be brief but why not add a note-name table Trevor: the actual table goes in pitches.itely (obviously), while we should add

Re: Automatically checking regtests (was: Re: Minor releases?)

2009-08-17 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:55:37PM +0100, Neil Puttock wrote: 2009/8/17 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: Yes.  All it takes is bookmarking the site, checking it whenever there's a release, and reporting any broken examples.  However, nobody is willing to commit to do this.  15

Re: Minor releases?

2009-08-16 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:48:53AM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote: I don't see any straightforward way of seeing a changelog or anything which tells the differences between minor releases. The git log messages. I think I can justify x.x.1 on one machine and x.x.2 on another, but I would

Re: complex time signatures: scheme help

2009-08-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:13:18PM +0200, James E. Bailey wrote: Look at that, even I need scheme. I wanted to have the time signature be 3+3+2 8 Great! Search the archives for this list, last Oct or Nov or maybe even Dec, to find the solution. lilypond elegance will help the search.

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 08:14:25AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op woensdag 12-08-2009 om 17:59 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: It's not that; Jan thought you were objecting to having: LilyPond is Free Software and part of the GNU project. on the home page. We need

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 09:13:20AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op donderdag 13-08-2009 om 00:03 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: Yes, that will surely work. Let's add michael jackson sex porn pr0n, we'll make a million! Smart!;-) Oh, come on! Lilypond users are smarter

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 05:00:57PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op donderdag 13-08-2009 om 11:05 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Han-Wen Nienhuys: I side with the general recommendation that Google gives, which is to focus on building a good website, and trusting that the resulting search

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 04:54:15PM -0700, David Fedoruk wrote: Also, remember that my time zone is GMT -8, so I am one of the last people on this list to see anything posted. Same here, being in Burnaby. If I had to say one thing that is wrong with documentation is that the people doing the

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:02:51PM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: Graham Percival wrote: But this should only happen after we have the new site done and ideally translated into one or two languages. So let's get back to work and leave this bikeshed behind. Why wait? The value of links

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:46:00PM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Besides, asking our users to advertize our site will *also* be easier when we have a new site. I mean, it gives a good excuse to motivate people, right? Oh, maybe I misread your earlier comment. I

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:07:20AM +0100, Mark Knoop wrote: At 20:43 on 11 Aug 2009, Graham Percival wrote: Done; I changed it to LilyPond... music notation for everyone. It's still in the page title: titleLilyPond... music notation for everyone: GNU LilyPond mdash; Website/title Ick

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:09:59PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: Is the use of _ and ^ with fingerings documented anywhere? I don't remember seeing this. It's certainly easier than using the chord angle brackets. Fingering instructions may be manually placed above or below the staff, see

Re: fingering orientation problem

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:59:01AM +1000, Nick Payne wrote: Yes, the construct around the note is needed. If you just have e-4 e^4 e_4, all three fingerings will appear above the notes. Really? That's odd, apparently 2.13.2 is broken. { c'4^3 c_2 } gives me a 2 below the staff. Cheers, -

website menus: gradient vs. solid

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
I'm not certain if the question was clear, so let's do this again and put it to a vote. These two images have the same top-level menu item selected. Which is easier to see? http://lilypond.org/~graham/solid.png http://lilypond.org/~graham/gradients.png (ok, the background to the lily icon

Re: new website non-git help

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:51:07AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: Andrew Hawryluk wrote: Could we add a link in the first paragraph to the (upcoming) essay? Perhaps on the words beautifully engraved music. The essay was a prominent feature of the previous web design, and says a lot about the

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:39:20PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizenjanneke-l...@xs4all.nl wrote: - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. We do not want to trim GNU.  Remember the long thread on devel, where even contributors

Re: new website, draft 7

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 08:04:32AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: On the page http://lilypond.org/~graham/Contact.html, definitely we should give the links for subscribing to the mailing lists: They were there already, but not particularly obviously. Improved. I'd also add the links to the

Re: website: why do you use lilypond?

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 07:12:21PM +0200, Francisco Vila wrote: The Spanish forum is a Yahoo! group. Group page http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/lilypond-es/ Thanks, added. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: website: why do you use lilypond?

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 02:14:51PM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: 2009/8/1 Valentin Villenave v.villen...@gmail.com: There's also http://www.lilypondforum.de/ (German) http://groups.google.com/group/lilypond-brasil (Portuguese) http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr

Re: new website, draft 7

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:37:06AM -0700, Matthieu Jacquot wrote: If you need one more publisher to fill the empty space in the production page, you could add my http://theshadylanepublishing.com website , it is very very small so I don't know if it will be fine. Thanks, added! I used the

new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
Hi folks. http://lilypond.org/~graham/ Most of the people who have been working on the website, including me, are fed up with it. I'm ready to shovel this out the door just to get rid of it... not particularly the best frame of mind to be introducing a major change to our users' experience, but

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12:58PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Graham Percivalgra...@percival-music.ca wrote: - I think the freedom propaganda should be moved elsewhere. I think we are primarily trying to compete on quality of output. I think the

Re: new website, draft 7

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:18:16PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: 1. On the examples page, under the Jesu, Meine Freude, it says (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click to enlarge). Thanks, fixed. 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one of the f's is shifted down

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 06:37:19PM -0700, David Fedoruk wrote: The documentation for Lilypond has one problem; it is, as the program is itself, under development. It is screamingly frustrating for us non-programmer users. Yes, but nothing forces people to upgrade. The documentation for

Re: new website, draft 7

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:18:05AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: On Text-input.html, the pop music example is missing a hyphen and an extender line in the first measure (though perhaps this was intentional to simplify things?) I'd rather avoid those. Of course, I'd also like to get different

new website non-git help

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:38:34PM +0100, Gerard McConnell wrote: I have to say I'm very grateful for the work that's been done on Lilypond, so I'd certainly like to help in some way. Without getting into git or programming, how could I help? Popular question; here's a few things! 1) The

Re: new website, draft 7

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:26:37PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: I've fixed it and pushed. Thanks! I also had to modify the makefile in the examples dir--explanation in the commit message. Ah, I see. I set it up so that I could run make generate-examples from the main dir. It doesn't matter,

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:32:33AM -0700, MonAmiPierrot wrote: - the top note in the download page should be bigger, blood red, blinking and should grab the user by the face and oblige him to read it. It's just too important. And it should not say please, but just If you do not know what is

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12:58PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: - The colors in the secondary menu bar don't make sense to me. The colors in the top bar are used to indicate which item is selected. it's impossible to tell at first glance which submenu item you have chosen. This would be

Re: new website, draft 7

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:06PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: When I looked at my commit in gitk I didn't see the whole commit message. Did you see it? I did that one-line message, then went down a couple of lines and used # comment lines to further explain the Makefile change. *head smack*

Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up

2009-08-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:55:52AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: Graham Percival wrote: hey, that's life in open-source projects! If you feel at all enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helping. I'd like to help, though I realize it's quite late in the game for me to get up

Re: problems with learning lilypond

2009-08-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 09:05:41PM +0700, Simon Mackenzie wrote: One adapted suggestion I've sourced from the Lilypond Learning Manual (5.1.3) runs as follows... MUSICBOOK.ly contains the list of all music sheets for the music book. I don't think that was suggested in LM 5.1.3. This isn't a

Re: website: why do you use lilypond?

2009-08-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:31:35PM +0100, Tim Rowe wrote: 2009/8/6 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: I don't think that any of his songs would become available until 2050 or so -- assuming the big media companies don't extend copyright again in a few years. As I said originally

Re: \context for named Staff

2009-08-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 05:18:12PM -0700, Jay Anderson wrote: If it is a snippet ideally I'd want to do something like: \include small_staff.lyi BTW, the latest discussion was to use .ily How would one make small_staff.lyi so this worked? This way it would be bundled with the other global

Re: website: why do you use lilypond?

2009-08-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 07:10:21PM +0100, Tim Rowe wrote: 2009/8/4 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 02:52:25PM +0100, Tim Rowe wrote: A pop example presents obvious copyright issues. No; an *existing* commercial pop example has copyright issues. Using

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