Re: Openlilylib questions

2023-04-07 Thread Mark Knoop
Hi Andrew, > Since handing over OLL I have lost track of processes. What is the > communications platform for queries and discussions now? This mailing list seems best. > And are we in fact still open for business? I need to submit a pull > request to add some code for my slash stem functions

Re: Openlilylib questions

2023-04-07 Thread Andrew Bernard
Are we taking pull requests. Sorry my metaphor may not have been clear! On 7 April 2023 10:17:51 pm AEST, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > > >> Le 7 avr. 2023 à 14:06, Andrew Bernard a écrit : >> >> Since handing over OLL I have lost track of processes. What is the >> communications platform for

Re: Openlilylib questions

2023-04-07 Thread Jean Abou Samra
> Le 7 avr. 2023 à 14:06, Andrew Bernard a écrit : > > Since handing over OLL I have lost track of processes. What is the > communications platform for queries and discussions now? I don’t think anything has been set up to replace your Discourse server, but GitHub issues are still there.

Openlilylib questions

2023-04-07 Thread Andrew Bernard
Since handing over OLL I have lost track of processes. What is the communications platform for queries and discussions now? And are we in fact still open for business? I need to submit a pull request to add some code for my slash stem functions which somehow never made it in. Andrew

Re: Openlilylib repository

2023-02-09 Thread Mark Knoop
ones more easily.) https://github.com/orgs/openlilylib/repositories As I mentioned a while ago I would like to convert the oldest one to an "entry-point" to help with visibility - see https://github.com/openlilylib/openlilylib/pull/1 Unfortunately I don't have any rights over

Openlilylib repository

2023-02-09 Thread Andrew Bernard
I seem to have become completely detached from OLL. Where is the repository located now? The only repos I can find are last modified 6-10 years ago. Andrew

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-23 Thread Graham King
Le 23/11/2022 à 16:31, Graham King a écrit : >>> I've tried to get Scholarly working in the past, but failed. I'm currently >>> failing to get lyluatex working. >>> There are some really promising tools in OpenLilyLib, but they seem to >>> require someone with Urs' l

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-23 Thread Federico Bruni
giorno mer 23 nov 2022 alle 17:55:34 +0100, Jean Abou Samra ha scritto: Le 23/11/2022 à 16:31, Graham King a écrit : I've tried to get Scholarly working in the past, but failed. I'm currently failing to get lyluatex working. There are some really promising tools in OpenLilyLib, but they seem

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-23 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 23/11/2022 à 16:31, Graham King a écrit : I've tried to get Scholarly working in the past, but failed. I'm currently failing to get lyluatex working. There are some really promising tools in OpenLilyLib, but they seem to require someone with Urs' level of focus and intellect to use them

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-23 Thread Graham King
holarly working in the past, but failed. I'm currently failing to get lyluatex working. There are some really promising tools in OpenLilyLib, but they seem to require someone with Urs' level of focus and intellect to use them. This thread is raising my hopes once more.

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-22 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hello Mark, > Yes, I think we all agree on that. At the moment there isn't, but even > if and when that might be implemented, I can still see a role for a > repository such as OpenLilyLib to collect and host those modules. Is the > future really copying blocks of code from websi

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-22 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 22/11/2022 à 08:50, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit : ... module code ... \endModule % or whatever name ... example ... where \endModule would act as a "trap" interrupting the parsing, but only if the file is included. If the file is compiled as main, it would continue parsing, and after

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-22 Thread Andrew Bernard
Mark, I use my stem slash code a lot. I don't think you should delete things willy nilly. There may be users who use stuff in OLL that do not respond in the list etc etc. Andrew

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-22 Thread Mark Knoop
here isn't, but even if and when that might be implemented, I can still see a role for a repository such as OpenLilyLib to collect and host those modules. Is the future really copying blocks of code from websites or email attachments and saving them to randomly organized local files? In the meantime, O

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 21.11.22 um 23:28 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: One would add a new keyword in the parser akin to \include (\import? \load?). How about \require? ... module code ... \endModule % or whatever name ... example ... where \endModule would act as a "trap" interrupting the parsing, but only if

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Karlin High
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 6:11 PM Andrew Bernard wrote: > it costs money for me to run the server > What storage and RAM is needed? I might be able to host it for you. -- Karlin High Missouri, USA >

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Andrew Bernard
I may as well shutdown openlilylib.space then. There are only 15 users, and it costs money for me to run the server, and there is zero traffic on Discourse. Andrew On 22/11/2022 9:22 am, Jean Abou Samra wrote: Le 21/11/2022 à 23:19, Andrew Bernard a écrit : Hello All, Why don't we keep

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hi Jean, > I would change the tense: > > [Independently of OLL,] non core developers *are* able to implement > new features with Scheme code that *can* potentially be included in > base LilyPond if proven reasonable. > > Don't you agree? I do agree that users are able to implement feature with

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jean, > The first step to adding non-trivial things that need discussion > is opening an issue. Do you feel like doing that? https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6475 Look at me, being all “Do first” ’n’ stuff… ;) We taking the discussion over there? K

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 21/11/2022 à 23:02, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : Then they should definitely be added: those were things Urs and I discussed (a fair bit off-list) as principle obstacles to the integration of “external” code (mostly equivalent to OLL at the time) into the ’Pond ecosystem. The first step to

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 21/11/2022 à 23:19, Andrew Bernard a écrit : Hello All, Why don't we keep the discussion about OLL on the OLL Discourse forum I created and run? That's the whole point of it, and to avoid cluttering the Lilypond User list. I think Mark's goal was to reach LilyPond users who are only

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Andrew Bernard
are welcome. Andrew On 22/11/2022 4:09 am, Mark Knoop wrote: With the imminent release of LilyPond 2.24, I thought it would be good to (once again) raise the topic of OpenLilyLib.

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Valentin Petzel
how much this resource isused > > I have heard lots of good things about OpenLilyLib. > > But I remain somewhat unclear as to what it offers and how it would be > used in my usages for SATB/TTBB shape-note hymns and light choral works. > > My first experience with OLL was downloading

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > I don't think we're very far from that. Include files already work > as kinds of modules. I only see two potential differences between modules > and include files: > > - a module should only be loaded once, even if imported twice in > different locations, > > - a module could

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 21/11/2022 à 22:38, Valentin Petzel a écrit : In my opinion it is not bad to allow for modular extension of Lilypond, especially for things that do not fit the core of the program. You need to keep in mind that this would be a strong possibility of enhancing Lilypond without cluttering it’s

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Valentin Petzel
loping > openLilyLib as a library external to LilyPond, as opposed to > contributing features to LilyPond itself, was supposed to be. > > I was going to add my lyrics code to LSR, actually. It's just > more convenient for users to grab, and it's not like this is > a very large piece o

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 21/11/2022 à 21:55, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : cf. our past discussions (some on -devel, some private) about my attempts to add code, where it should go, etc. =) Yes, I remember that :-) 2. Obviously I use oll-core, since that is foundational to the EE. Note: oll-core is a

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > Maybe what I'm going to say will sadden some, but personally, > I never quite understood what the advantage of developing > openLilyLib as a library external to LilyPond, as opposed to > contributing features to LilyPond itself, was supposed to be. cf. our past discu

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Karlin High
On 11/21/2022 11:09 AM, Mark Knoop wrote: It would be good to get a feel from users how much this resource isused I have heard lots of good things about OpenLilyLib. But I remain somewhat unclear as to what it offers and how it would be used in my usages for SATB/TTBB shape-note hymns

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 21/11/2022 à 20:02, Mark Knoop a écrit : Thanks Jean for your thoughts, which are not so far from my own. A few comments: Maybe what I'm going to say will sadden some, but personally, I never quite understood what the advantage of developing openLilyLib as a library external to LilyPond

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Mark Knoop
Thanks Jean for your thoughts, which are not so far from my own. A few comments: > Maybe what I'm going to say will sadden some, but personally, > I never quite understood what the advantage of developing > openLilyLib as a library external to LilyPond, as opposed to > contribut

Re: Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Maybe what I'm going to say will sadden some, but personally, I never quite understood what the advantage of developing openLilyLib as a library external to LilyPond, as opposed to contributing features to LilyPond itself, was supposed to be. I was going to add my lyrics code to LSR, actually

Future of OpenLilyLib

2022-11-21 Thread Mark Knoop
With the imminent release of LilyPond 2.24, I thought it would be good to (once again) raise the topic of OpenLilyLib. There has been some recent movement on this (thanks to Jean and Andrew) to get the code mostly working with recent LilyPond versions and Guile 2. I have also just pushed a bunch

Re: Openlilylib

2022-08-12 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Mark, thank you! Due to a change in work, I haven't gotten around to testing your changes in depth yet, but I assume that as an OLL user, you've solved the problems so that it works. When I have it running here, I may approach you with a call for a pull request. Best Jan-Peter Am 17.07.22

Re: Openlilylib

2022-07-29 Thread Mark Knoop
At 15:56 on 17 Jul 2022, Mark Knoop wrote: I note a bug with the edition-engraver which can no longer address the first moment of the score. This needs further investigation (unless somebody else has already solved this?). Further to this, I've just pushed a fix for the first moment bug to my

Re: Openlilylib

2022-07-17 Thread Mark Knoop
Hi Andrew and other OLL users, At 18:24 on 27 May 2022, Andrew Bernard wrote: The upshot of that is that I suppose I should revive the OLL work. I'll recreate the dedicated server I set up, recreate the Discourse forum for discussion, and work on the git repository, then people can

Re: Owners of GitHub openlilylib organisation

2022-06-06 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 06/06/2022 à 13:00, Andrew Bernard a écrit : Not exactly just fork . The use of an organisation in github is important I believe. I suppose it is silly but I wanted the name openlilylib for the org, and also to preserve all the users etc, but now it will have to be oll. How about

Re: Owners of GitHub openlilylib organisation

2022-06-06 Thread Andrew Bernard
Not exactly just fork . The use of an organisation in github is important I believe. I suppose it is silly but I wanted the name openlilylib for the org, and also to preserve all the users etc, but now it will have to be oll. Andrew Jean Abou Samra wrote on 6/06/2022 8:47 PM: Well, I guess

Re: Owners of GitHub openlilylib organisation

2022-06-06 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 06/06/2022 à 07:35, Andrew Bernard a écrit : Yes, I already wrote to him. No reply and no bounce. So I can see who the owners are from github, but asking if they are still on here. Well, I guess the way to go for you is to fork OLL at this point.

Re: Owners of GitHub openlilylib organisation

2022-06-05 Thread Andrew Bernard
Yes, I already wrote to him. No reply and no bounce. So I can see who the owners are from github, but asking if they are still on here. Andrew Jean Abou Samra wrote on 6/06/2022 3:18 PM: Le 06/06/2022 à 05:01, Andrew Bernard a écrit : From https://github.com/orgs/openlilylib/people

Re: Owners of GitHub openlilylib organisation

2022-06-05 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 06/06/2022 à 05:01, Andrew Bernard a écrit : Are any of the owners of the openlilylib github organisation still on this list? If so, could they please contact me as I am trying to revive the OLL project. From https://github.com/orgs/openlilylib/people, it looks like that may be Janek

Owners of GitHub openlilylib organisation

2022-06-05 Thread Andrew Bernard
Are any of the owners of the openlilylib github organisation still on this list? If so, could they please contact me as I am trying to revive the OLL project. Andrew

OpenLilyLib portal

2022-05-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
I've recreated a server to run a portal site for OpenLilyLib project and related topics. https://openlilylib.space/ I'll be making the Discourse server today, for OLL specific discussion and support. Also, I'll be providing access and support for the OLL repository on GitHub, which

OpenLilyLib portal

2022-05-27 Thread Andrew Bernard
I've created a new server to run a portal site for OpenLilyLib project and related topics. https://openlilylib.space/ I'll be making the Discourse server today, for OLL specific discussion and support. Also, I'll be providing access and support for the OLL repository on GitHub, which

Re: Openlilylib

2022-05-27 Thread Peter Crighton
forum (or I forgot). Thanks, Peter -- Peter Crighton | Musician & Music Engraver based in Mainz, Germany https://www.petercrighton.de On Fri, 27 May 2022 at 10:28, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Hello All, > > Having had to abandon the Openlilylib (OLL) work I took over from Urs > Li

Re: Openlilylib

2022-05-27 Thread Simon Albrecht
, Andrew Bernard wrote: Hello All, Having had to abandon the Openlilylib (OLL) work I took over from Urs Liska, for various reasons, in the meantime I went over to Dorico instead of Lilypond for my work. Having spent a lot of money on Dorico (AUD$800+) and given it my best shot for more than year

Re: Openlilylib

2022-05-27 Thread David Santamauro
a differing opinion. David From: lilypond-user on behalf of Andrew Bernard Date: Friday, May 27, 2022 at 4:26 AM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Openlilylib Hello All, Having had to abandon the Openlilylib (OLL) work I took over from Urs Liska, for various reasons, in the meantime I went

Re: Openlilylib

2022-05-27 Thread Adam M. Griggs
o abandon the Openlilylib (OLL) work I took over from Urs > Liska, for various reasons, in the meantime I went over to Dorico > instead of Lilypond for my work. Having spent a lot of money on Dorico > (AUD$800+) and given it my best shot for more than year, it really falls > short for the

Openlilylib

2022-05-27 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hello All, Having had to abandon the Openlilylib (OLL) work I took over from Urs Liska, for various reasons, in the meantime I went over to Dorico instead of Lilypond for my work. Having spent a lot of money on Dorico (AUD$800+) and given it my best shot for more than year, it really falls

Re: Openlilylib

2022-05-15 Thread Carl Sorensen
downloaded from Urs's site? Would you be willing to share it with me? Thanks, Carl On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 1:54 AM Andrew Bernard wrote: > Hello All, > > I've been absent from the list for a long time, but recently got CC'd > about an Openlilylib pull request. > > I must apologise

Re: Openlilylib

2022-05-11 Thread Simon Albrecht
Hi Andrew, thanks for the information. Sorry to hear about your illness and all the best wishes nonetheless! Best, Simon On 09/05/2022 09:53, Andrew Bernard wrote: Hello All, I've been absent from the list for a long time, but recently got CC'd about an Openlilylib pull request. I must

Re: Openlilylib

2022-05-09 Thread Ralph Palmer
On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:55 AM Andrew Bernard wrote: > Hello All, > > I've been absent from the list for a long time, but recently got CC'd > about an Openlilylib pull request. > > I must apologise for never getting around to updating the list on the > Openlilylib project

Re: openlilylib pull request

2022-05-09 Thread Jean Abou Samra
. The very quality of core LilyPond may be the reason why packaging layers around it have failed to really take off and LSR remains far more commonly used than openLilyLib. Not to mention that many amazing LilyPond snippets are expressed in less than 50 lines of Scheme code, which is just as convenient

Re: openlilylib pull request

2022-05-09 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 09.05.22 um 01:59 schrieb David Kastrup: The "TeX ecosystem" consists of plain TeX with fudge-ons (comparable to LilyPond and LSR snippets), of the monolithic Context (driven by a not-much-more-than-one-man company), and of the modular LaTeX. The only system that has exploded in number and

Openlilylib

2022-05-09 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hello All, I've been absent from the list for a long time, but recently got CC'd about an Openlilylib pull request. I must apologise for never getting around to updating the list on the Openlilylib project status. Some time ago I took over from Urs who is no longer able to do the work

Re: openlilylib pull request

2022-05-08 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: > On 08/05/2022 20:37, Jean Abou Samra wrote: >> The case study of how OLL fell out of maintenance is one of the >> things leading me to think that a model where snippets providing >> significant functionality and becoming somewhat popular get >> upstreamed into the

Re: openlilylib pull request

2022-05-08 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 08/05/2022 20:37, Jean Abou Samra wrote: The case study of how OLL fell out of maintenance is one of the things leading me to think that a model where snippets providing significant functionality and becoming somewhat popular get upstreamed into the LilyPond core is a better fit for LilyPond

Re: openlilylib pull request

2022-05-08 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 08/05/2022 à 20:37, Jean Abou Samra a écrit : Le 08/05/2022 à 20:08, Simon Albrecht a écrit : Dear community, I have made some small updates to keep the openlilylib/bezier module working with current versions of LilyPond and created a pull request on GitHub. Is anyone currently able

Re: openlilylib pull request

2022-05-08 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 08/05/2022 à 20:08, Simon Albrecht a écrit : Dear community, I have made some small updates to keep the openlilylib/bezier module working with current versions of LilyPond and created a pull request on GitHub. Is anyone currently able to notice and approve the request? I don't think so

openlilylib pull request

2022-05-08 Thread Simon Albrecht
Dear community, I have made some small updates to keep the openlilylib/bezier module working with current versions of LilyPond and created a pull request on GitHub. Is anyone currently able to notice and approve the request? Best, Simon

Re: [openLilyLib] oll-core incompatible with Guile 2.2

2022-01-18 Thread Valentin Petzel
Dear list, > > > > I have started using the experimental 2.23.5 build with Guile 2.2 [1] > > and it turns out to be incompatible with the core of openLilyLib. > > > > Here are the error messages I got—it may be that only the first is > > relevant: > >

Re: [openLilyLib] oll-core incompatible with Guile 2.2

2022-01-18 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 19/01/2022 à 01:45, Jean Abou Samra a écrit : Le 18/01/2022 à 20:43, Simon Albrecht a écrit : Dear list, I have started using the experimental 2.23.5 build with Guile 2.2 [1] and it turns out to be incompatible with the core of openLilyLib. Here are the error messages I got—it may

Re: [openLilyLib] oll-core incompatible with Guile 2.2

2022-01-18 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 18/01/2022 à 20:43, Simon Albrecht a écrit : Dear list, I have started using the experimental 2.23.5 build with Guile 2.2 [1] and it turns out to be incompatible with the core of openLilyLib. Here are the error messages I got—it may be that only the first is relevant: [...] Take

[openLilyLib] oll-core incompatible with Guile 2.2

2022-01-18 Thread Simon Albrecht
Dear list, I have started using the experimental 2.23.5 build with Guile 2.2 [1] and it turns out to be incompatible with the core of openLilyLib. Here are the error messages I got—it may be that only the first is relevant: %% /home/simon/openlilylib/oll-core/internal

Re: [openLilyLib] oll-core incompatible with Guile 2.2

2022-01-18 Thread Simon Albrecht
https://github.com/openlilylib/oll-core/issues/62 On 18/01/2022 20:43, Simon Albrecht wrote: I have started using the experimental 2.23.5 build with Guile 2.2 [1] and it turns out to be incompatible with the core of openLilyLib. Here are the error messages I got—it may be that only the first

Re: Openlilylib status

2021-03-19 Thread Andrew Bernard
Thank you all for the supportive comments. They are more than sufficient justification to make it worthwhile to continue. I better knuckle down and reincarnate the website, the Discourse forum, and finally do the git repository refactoring. I set up a new server already. Andrew

Re: Openlilylib status

2021-03-19 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Andrew, > nobody has noticed the loss of the website or forum, > which did have a few members, > so I wonder if this is worth pursuing anyway. +1 to everything Carl wrote. Here’s a little more personal perspective… I freely admit that I didn’t notice the loss of the website or forum. There

Re: Openlilylib status

2021-03-17 Thread Craig Dabelstein
ne person. > > Best > > Damian > > > > > On 10 Mar 2021, at 22:21, Andrew Bernard > wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > Some time ago I took over the management of the Openlilylib project from > Urs Liska, who was forced to cease the

Re: Openlilylib status

2021-03-11 Thread Damian leGassick
the management of the Openlilylib project from Urs > Liska, who was forced to cease the work for personal reasons. I created a > server to host a new website, a Git repository and a Discourse forum and > Openlilylib specific mailing list. The old git repository remains untouched, > but it is no lon

Re: Openlilylib status

2021-03-11 Thread Graham King
Andrew, I would love to get to grips with Openlilylib (specifically, scholarLy) but when I tried to register to its new home when you first announced it, I couldn't get in. Can't remember the precise details now, and there wasn't time to pursue it back then. But I suspect there might

Re: Openlilylib status

2021-03-10 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/10/21, 3:21 PM, "lilypond-user on behalf of Andrew Bernard" wrote: Hello All, Some time ago I took over the management of the Openlilylib project from Urs Liska, who was forced to cease the work for personal reasons. I created a server to host a new webs

Openlilylib status

2021-03-10 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hello All, Some time ago I took over the management of the Openlilylib project from Urs Liska, who was forced to cease the work for personal reasons. I created a server to host a new website, a Git repository and a Discourse forum and Openlilylib specific mailing list. The old git repository

Re: [OpenLilyLib] looking for collaborator(s) on stylesheet package/system

2020-11-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello again, I got a few private responses to this post — which were appreciated — but was really hoping to get a discussion going about how such a system could be implemented. Perhaps the word “collaborator(s)” in the subject is too strong and scary? ;) To be clear: my “problem” is never

Re: [OLL] openLilyLib news

2020-10-16 Thread Ralph Palmer
In your debt, Andrew, Ralph On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:31 PM Andrew Bernard wrote: > What's happening with OLL, latest news. I have made a dedicated > website, https://openlilylib.space. > -- Ralph Palmer Brattleboro, VT USA (he, him, his) palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com

Re: [OLL] openLilyLib news

2020-10-15 Thread Freeman Gilmore
toring, soonish. > > And by popular demand, I have corrected the capitalization of openLilyLib. :-) > > Andrew >

[OLL] openLilyLib news

2020-10-15 Thread Andrew Bernard
item. No criticism of the existing structure, but I think that just grew. I'll provide the GitLab details when I have done the refactoring, soonish. And by popular demand, I have corrected the capitalization of openLilyLib. :-) Andrew

Re: Once for all and one last time (was Future of openLilyLib)

2020-10-10 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
> Am 10.10.2020 um 17:49 schrieb Andrew Bernard : > > There's a term for it. Necroposting! Seriously! I’m proud of my necromancer badge on stackexchange ;D HR

Re: Once for all and one last time (was Future of openLilyLib)

2020-10-10 Thread Andrew Bernard
There's a term for it. Necroposting! Seriously! Andrew On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 at 02:24, David Kastrup wrote: > Two weeks? I've replied on occasion to threads that were 10 years old, > basically because threads tends to be archived and turn up on keyword > searches.

Re: Once for all and one last time (was Future of openLilyLib)

2020-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: >> On 10.10.20 14:11, Simon Albrecht wrote: >>> Dear Karsten and list, >>> >>> On 22.09.20 22:40, Karsten Reincke wrote: 5) I've learned, that all(?) of you consider this an untenable if not silly position and that the PDFs and midi-files compiled by

Re: Once for all and one last time (was Future of openLilyLib)

2020-10-10 Thread Simon Albrecht
There’s no such thing as retracting an e-mail, but I would like to do it. Sorry for failing to realise how old the thread was before replying. Best, Simon On 10.10.20 14:11, Simon Albrecht wrote: Dear Karsten and list, On 22.09.20 22:40, Karsten Reincke wrote: 5) I've learned, that all(?) of

Re: Once for all and one last time (was Future of openLilyLib)

2020-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: > Dear Karsten and list, > > On 22.09.20 22:40, Karsten Reincke wrote: >> 5) I've learned, that all(?) of you consider this an untenable if >> not silly position and that the PDFs and midi-files compiled by >> Lilypond are never affected by the strong copyleft effect of

Re: Once for all and one last time (was Future of openLilyLib)

2020-10-10 Thread Simon Albrecht
Dear Karsten and list, On 22.09.20 22:40, Karsten Reincke wrote: 5) I've learned, that all(?) of you consider this an untenable if not silly position and that the PDFs and midi-files compiled by Lilypond are never affected by the strong copyleft effect of the GPL. That's good to hear. But I

Ongoing openlilylib development

2020-10-08 Thread Andrew Bernard
Since Urs has stepped down for personal reasons, I am willing to continue the maintenance and development of OLL, as well as promotion and improvement of documentation and information. My understanding (perhaps incorrect) is that the Github repo is now orphaned. I propose to create and manage a

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-07 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 07/10/2020 à 16:30, Federico Bruni a écrit : Il giorno mer 7 ott 2020 alle 16:24, Jean Abou Samra ha scritto: PPS: I see you shut down openlilylib.org. Is the source archived somewhere  so I can better understand openLilyLib? I think it's here: https://github.com/openlilylib

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-07 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno mer 7 ott 2020 alle 16:24, Jean Abou Samra ha scritto: PPS: I see you shut down openlilylib.org. Is the source archived somewhere so I can better understand openLilyLib? I think it's here: https://github.com/openlilylib-documentation/main-site/

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-07 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Well, despite two of today's statements arguing otherwise I must say I have come to a different conclusion. I have given myself exactly two weeks to make a determination, and I realized I have obviously overestimated the value and impact of my pet project openLilyLib. The two weeks until

Re: openLilyLib git

2020-10-07 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 07.10.20 um 02:18 schrieb Andrew Bernard: > Urs and all, > > What happens to orphaned git repos? Not a case I am familiar with. > > I'd be happy to fork the OLL repo and take over the management and > development. Should I do that? Are you going to delete the existing > repo? > > Andrew > Hi

openLilyLib git

2020-10-06 Thread Andrew Bernard
Urs and all, What happens to orphaned git repos? Not a case I am familiar with. I'd be happy to fork the OLL repo and take over the management and development. Should I do that? Are you going to delete the existing repo? Andrew

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Andrew Bernard
Urs, I am unable to email you at openlilylib.org. Is there another way to contact you off list? Andrew

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: lilypond-user on behalf of Andrew Bernard Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:18:03 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Future of openLilyLib Urs, I don't follow. Are you taking down OLL? There are surely many who

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Andrew Bernard
obviously overestimated the value and impact of my pet project openLilyLib.

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Urs Liska
Well, despite two of today's statements arguing otherwise I must say I have come to a different conclusion. I have given myself exactly two weeks to make a determination, and I realized I have obviously overestimated the value and impact of my pet project openLilyLib. The two weeks until yesterday

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Martín Rincón Botero
\reshape is nice! I would try to make it clear in the documentation, if \reshape is included in the core, that \shape is the legacy form to be eventually deprecated and replaced by \reshape. Syntactically, it makes no sense to have both functions available for the same thing. If there could be

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> \reshape ? > > Dude… nice work. =) Care to submit a MR? Werner

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Karlin High
On 10/6/2020 11:23 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: \reshape ? Dude… nice work. =) Made me smile, too. I think that's approaching the perfect amount of self-reference humor, without crossing the line to guaranteed obscurity for newcomers. -- Karlin High Missouri, USA

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Kieren MacMillan
> \reshape ? Dude… nice work. =) Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his) ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2020-10-06 8:45 am, Carl Sorensen wrote: If \shapeII is production ready, then I'm OK with adding it. But is should NOT be named \shapeII when it goes into core. It should be something like \shapeControl. \shapeII reflects the history that it came after the creation of \shape. \shape

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Carl Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:43 AM Andrew Bernard wrote: > Hi JanPeter, > > > > One thing that concerns me with lilypond at the present is what I see > as a sort of balkanisation of code. We have LSR, OLL, and people > making one-shot GIT repos, and it's all very fragmented. I don't think > this

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi JanPeter, I have contributed a bit to OLL and its machinery and I think it is an important and indeed necessary resource. I am not sure why the uptake is so limited, but I think somehow we have to communicate how easy it is to install and use more effectively. One thing that concerns me with

Re: Future of openLilyLib

2020-10-06 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
free to contact me via this list or py pm. Best, Jan-Peter Am 21.09.20 um 17:24 schrieb Urs Liska: > Hi all, > > to begin with, I am of the (biased) opinion that openLilyLib is a > powerful and useful extension infrastructure for LilyPond. There are a > number of versatile and extend

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