Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-12-12 Thread Paul Morris
Keith OHara wrote so I am taking Michael Ellis' suggestion to use an include file containing the note names I use Ok, for anyone else interested, here is the full include file for using 'gn' style note names: english-n.ly http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n169409/english-n.ly The

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-12-08 Thread Keith OHara
Paul Morris paul at paulwmorris.com writes: Keith OHara wrote I'm proposing \languageabbreviated +1 for adding an opt-in way to use 'cn' (etc.) via another version of the 'english' input language. This allows for use of this helpful form of input without confusing new users who

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Morris
Keith OHara wrote Then I'll propose that LilyPond accept 'cn' only when the user requests that input style, and I won't call that style 'American'. Another inconvenience with \languageenglish is that its default names are the long forms, so \displayLilyMusic \transpose c e {fs as cs} is

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-11-27 Thread Keith OHara
Ralph Palmer palmer.r.violin at gmail.com writes: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Keith OHara k-ohara5a5a at oco.net wrote:Dear list, In English, pronouncing the 'natural' in 'C-natural' is required if the note is out-of-key.  LilyPond does not consider the key when reading note- input, but

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-11-20 Thread Michael Ellis
Also American, can't see the need for this because LP supports defining your own pitch names in an include file. For example, I once made an include file (attached) that supports both English and Chromatic Fixed Do solfege, i.e. one can enter an E-flat major scale as either ef f g af bf c d ef

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-11-19 Thread Paul Morris
Another American here, but I don't have a very strong opinion on this. I can see arguments on both sides. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/would-gn-for-G-natural-be-useful-in-language-english-tp165872p168834.html Sent from the User mailing list

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-11-17 Thread Ralph Palmer
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: Dear list, In English, pronouncing the 'natural' in 'C-natural' is required if the note is out-of-key. LilyPond does not consider the key when reading note-input, but could easily accept 'cn' as a name for the pitch

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-11-17 Thread Shane Brandes
American here, the cn is a waste of effort and more liable to muddle things up. regards, Shane On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Ralph Palmer palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: Dear list, In English, pronouncing the

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-11-16 Thread Keith OHara
Dear list, In English, pronouncing the 'natural' in 'C-natural' is required if the note is out-of-key. LilyPond does not consider the key when reading note-input, but could easily accept 'cn' as a name for the pitch C-natural. There was a feature request on the bug-list, that LilyPond do so.

would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Keith OHara
Dear user list, The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2014-08/msg00037.html makes sense to me, as an addition to the \language english note-names. It would not fit in German-style pitch-names, where 'cis' and 'ces' get

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 7:41 AM Subject: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ? Dear user list, The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Brian Barker
At 23:41 28/08/2014 -0700, Keith OHara wrote: The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2014-08/msg00037.html makes sense to me, as an addition to the \language english note-names. It would not fit in German-style pitch-names, where

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Knute Snortum
English speakers (at least the ones in my part of America) will say cee or cee-natural for the note C. The latter is to emphasis that you are not speaking of another pitch like C-sharp. In the key of D, say, some people will say cee when they mean cee-sharp. cee-natural shows you haven't made

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Brian Barker
At 07:20 29/08/2014 -0700, Knute Snortum wrote: English speakers (at least the ones in my part of America) will say cee or cee-natural for the note C. The latter is to emphasis that you are not speaking of another pitch like C-sharp. Agreed. In the key of D, say, some people will say cee

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Keith OHara
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 03:06:31 -0700, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 23:41 28/08/2014 -0700, Keith OHara wrote: The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2014-08/msg00037.html makes sense to me, as an addition to the

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Johan Vromans
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com writes: There are surely two ways of indicating pitches? One is the method used in musical notation itself, where a note on the C line or space without any accidental represents any one of C, C-sharp, or C-flat, depending on the key signature. The other

Re: would 'gn' for G-natural be useful in \language english ?

2014-08-29 Thread Brian Barker
At 08:38 29/08/2014 -0700, Keith OHara wrote: In English the names use two parts, noun-adjective, which allows the construction C-natural. German has single words (ces c cis) for the pitches, and these are distinct from the names for the alterations (Be, AuflösungZeichen, Kreuz).