Re: Organize collection of scores

2016-11-08 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno sab 5 nov 2016 alle 11:31, Noeck ha scritto: Hi Federico, thanks for your reply. I also looked at Mutopia and I have to revise things: My currently planned approach is now B and A would be an alternative. Am 05.11.2016 um 10:43 schrieb Federico Bruni: Il

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 08.11.2016 14:42, Karlin High wrote: "It is the easiest thing in the world to write a piece virtually or totally impossible to perform—but oddly enough that is not what I prefer to do; I prefer to study the conditions of performance and shape my music to them." - Benjamin Britten, "On

Re: Combining \markup and \set

2016-11-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Sumbler" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 3:14 PM Subject: Combining \markup and \set \version "2.19.48" pizz = \markup { \larger \italic "pizz." } midiPizz = \set

Re: need help

2016-11-08 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno lun 7 nov 2016 alle 20:00, Carl Sorensen ha scritto: On 11/7/16 8:48 AM, "Urs Liska" wrote: Am 07.11.2016 um 15:35 schrieb David Sumbler: On Sun, 2016-11-06 at 11:28 +0100, Malte Meyn wrote: Am 06.11.2016 um 11:25 schrieb David

Combining \markup and \set

2016-11-08 Thread David Sumbler
\version "2.19.48" pizz = \markup { \larger \italic "pizz." } midiPizz = \set Staff.midiInstrument = "pizzicato strings" arco =  \markup { \larger \italic "arco" } midiArco = \set Staff.midiInstrument = "violin" \score {   \relative c'' { \new Staff \with {

Re: e in the time of phi and square root of pi tuplet hijinks

2016-11-08 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 8 Nov 2016, at 08:45, mclaren wrote: > > This example eschews numbers for the irrational tuplets in favor of Greek > letters, or at least the Greek names for the symbols. I'm not sure how to > get a Greek font in Lilypond. There are the STIX fonts

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 8 Nov 2016, at 08:28, mclaren wrote: > > An alternative method involves simply adding in the required rests, rather > than squishing or stretching the entire measure with a large tuplet. Since > this method is easy to calculate exactly because you're just adding

Re: [Why you don't really want] irrational tuplets [nor CF approximations]

2016-11-08 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 8 Nov 2016, at 21:00, Alexander Kobel wrote: > > On 2016-11-08 18:15, Hans Åberg wrote: >> I gave an example of a true irrational time signature [1]. The code >> is actually written in 12/8, with a MIDI approximation in 19/8. Such >> meter approximations can be obtained

Re: openLilyLib

2016-11-08 Thread Noeck
Hi Urs, I liked the idea of oll from the start and I used it quite often after you published functions used in the Fried songs publication. I liked because: - the nice functions (mostly around the Fried project) - it's a place where code can go more quickly than into lilypond proper - the edition

[Why you don't really want] irrational tuplets [nor CF approximations]

2016-11-08 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2016-11-08 18:15, Hans Åberg wrote: I gave an example of a true irrational time signature [1]. The code is actually written in 12/8, with a MIDI approximation in 19/8. Such meter approximations can be obtained using continued fractions convergents [2]. For the rendering, it suffices with an

Re: Combining \markup and \set

2016-11-08 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
> Subject: Re: Combining \markup and \set > - Original Message - From: "David Sumbler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 3:14 PM > Subject: Combining \markup and \set > > > >> >> \version "2.19.48" >> >> pizz

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
mclaren writes: > Whatever Lilypond is doing internally, there's some arbitrary limit to the > numbers it uses. Time signatures above some large value cause a crash. Too > many tuplets of too many different kinds causes Lilypond to crash. > > There's no reason for that.

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/8/16 4:02 PM, "mclaren" wrote: > >Reality check: programmers are ont in the business of telling composers >how >they should compose. Programmers should be in the business of getting the >computer to represent the kinds of notatoins that musicians use. Musicians

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.11.2016 um 01:25 schrieb Carl Sorensen: > > On 11/8/16 4:02 PM, "mclaren" wrote: > >> Reality check: programmers are ont in the business of telling composers >> how >> they should compose. Programmers should be in the business of getting the >> computer to

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/8/16 4:02 PM, "mclaren" wrote: >Whatever Lilypond is doing internally, there's some arbitrary limit to the >numbers it uses. Time signatures above some large value cause a crash. Too >many tuplets of too many different kinds causes Lilypond to crash. > >There's

RE: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hello Carl, I engrave scores for a colleague who is a prominent representative of the New Complexity School. Recently, with the advent of people such as Phantomas here (Thanks, Urs! For this person who insults us takes the cowardly approach of hiding behind anonymity, against all conventions of

RE: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew Bernard
@metachromatic - we still don't know your name, One is becoming tired of your shouting rants against programmers and lilypond and your fantasies about what you somehow expect it can do. It is about time the list moderator stepped in. Use a different program if lilypond is not up to your

Re: Notational conventions

2016-11-08 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-11-09 0:07 GMT+01:00 Hans Åberg : > >> On 8 Nov 2016, at 23:41, Thomas Morley wrote: >> >> 2016-11-08 22:20 GMT+01:00 Hans Åberg : >> >>> And a reason of writing a complex time signature might be to make it >>> impossible for

Re: merge-rests engraver doesn't merge dots

2016-11-08 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-11-08 11:44 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska : > Hello all, > > On https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/issues/123 it was reported > that the engraver merging rests > (https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/editorial-tools/merge-rests-engraver) > fails to merge dots

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread mclaren
Whatever Lilypond is doing internally, there's some arbitrary limit to the numbers it uses. Time signatures above some large value cause a crash. Too many tuplets of too many different kinds causes Lilypond to crash. There's no reason for that. None whatever. A competent programmer would not

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Nathan Ho
On 2016-11-08 15:02, mclaren wrote: Whatever Lilypond is doing internally, there's some arbitrary limit to the numbers it uses. Time signatures above some large value cause a crash. Too many tuplets of too many different kinds causes Lilypond to crash. Hi mclaren, So you found bugs in

Re: e in the time of phi and square root of pi tuplet hijinks

2016-11-08 Thread mclaren
Okay, here's the complete version with Unicode chars escaped into the score. A proper Greek phi and pi symbol. Adding Unicode chars turns out to be dead simple in Lilypond. And here's

Re: [Why you don't really want] irrational tuplets [nor CF approximations]

2016-11-08 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-11-08 22:20 GMT+01:00 Hans Åberg : > And a reason of writing a complex time signature might be to make it > impossible for the performer to follow it: In Balkan music, one plays by ear, > and the variation is greater than the irrational time signature examples I >

Notational conventions

2016-11-08 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 8 Nov 2016, at 23:41, Thomas Morley wrote: > > 2016-11-08 22:20 GMT+01:00 Hans Åberg : > >> And a reason of writing a complex time signature might be to make it >> impossible for the performer to follow it: In Balkan music, one plays by >>

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
So you have learned nothing so far? Instead of cooperating with the community to narrow down possible actual issues (as we've requested more than enough) you simply stop answering the threads you opened and throw lots of new material at LilyPond and us. At the same time insulting us and demanding

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Karlin High
On 11/8/2016 8:14 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > For this person who insults us takes the cowardly > approach of hiding behind anonymity, against all conventions of mailing list > communities I expect this person experiences the lilypond-user list as a web forum via Nabble rather than a mailing

color in polyphony

2016-11-08 Thread Mario Moles
Hello guys! You can color a single note in ? If you use error happens. -- /oiram/bin/selom/ /Da ognuno secondo le proprie capacità ad ognuno secondo i propri bisogni./ /MIB-kernellinux-tester/ http://mariomoles.altervista.org/[1] Linux[2] MIB[3] Lilypond[4] Frescobaldi[5] Rosegarden[6]

Re: color in polyphony

2016-11-08 Thread Mario Moles
In data mercoledì 9 novembre 2016 07:59:41, Jan-Peter Voigt ha scritto: > Hi Mario > > in this case use the \tweak command: > > { } > > HTH Jan-Peter Oh! Good! Thanks a lot! :)-- /oiram/bin/selom/ /Da ognuno secondo le proprie capacità ad ognuno secondo i propri bisogni./

Re: color in polyphony

2016-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
Mario Moles writes: > Hello guys! You can color a single note in ? If you use \override NoteHead.color = #red b> error happens. If you don't want to learn too much new (or want to use one of the shortcut commands for creating an override), you can convert an override

Re: color in polyphony

2016-11-08 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Mario in this case use the \tweak command: { } HTH Jan-Peter Am 09.11.2016 um 07:56 schrieb Mario Moles: Hello guys! You can color a single note in ? If you use \override NoteHead.color = #red b> error happens. Thanks -- oiram/bin/selom Da ognuno secondo le proprie capacità ad

barNumberCheck with repeats

2016-11-08 Thread Robert Schmaus
Dear Ponderers, I've got the following question about a problem involving bar number checks and repeats. When I'm engraving a bigger project, I find it useful to employ bar number checks. I also find it very useful to use the technique of having seperate layout and midi score blocks, the

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Jacques Menu Muzhic
Hello McLaren, As a newbie to this kind of calculations in notes length, how I am supposed to play them? In particular, if others play them too? JM > Le 8 nov. 2016 à 09:02, David Kastrup a écrit : > > mclaren writes: > >> An alternative method

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
mclaren writes: > An alternative method involves simply adding in the required rests, rather > than squishing or stretching the entire measure with a large tuplet. Since > this method is easy to calculate exactly because you're just adding and > subtracting various

Re: Variable weirdness

2016-11-08 Thread David Sumbler
Thank you.  I might find this useful some time, if I have correctly understood what the purpose of it is. For the particular case I was concerned with, though, simply using #(define partName "Cello 1") seems a lot simpler. I just wondered why the Lilypond form isn't allowed in a situation where

RE: e in the time of phi and square root of pi tuplet hijinks

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew Bernard
You could read the manual. Lilypond supports Unicode, hence Greek. Andrew -Original Message- From: lilypond-user On Behalf Of mclaren Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2016 6:45 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: e in the time of phi and square root of pi tuplet hijinks This example eschews

merge-rests engraver doesn't merge dots

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
Hello all, On https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/issues/123 it was reported that the engraver merging rests (https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/editorial-tools/merge-rests-engraver) fails to merge dots of dotted rests. This can be seen here: http://lilybin.com/r1jcpm/3 I

RE: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew Bernard
It's a pity you have shown aggressive contempt for programmers and computer scientists in general on this list, and yet you seem to want to use computers. Any introductory course in numerical analysis will teach you that floating point calculations on computers are inherently inaccurate, due to

Re: crop marks in PDF for printing

2016-11-08 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2016-11-07 08:16, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2016-11-06 um 22:56 schrieb Alexander Kobel : In many brochure-bound volumes of more than two or three sheets (say, 60+ pages), the paper is cut to align flush when the brochure is closed. So the inner sheets are

Re: e in the time of phi and square root of pi tuplet hijinks

2016-11-08 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2016-11-08 08:45, mclaren wrote: Technically speaking, we're also dealing with transcendental tuplets rather than irrationals here, since the square root of pi is a transcendental number (I think. Pi is known to be transcendental, but is the square of pi proven to be transcendental?).

Counterpoint (was: request for programming advice)

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.11.2016 um 13:21 schrieb bart deruyter: > On a sidenote (perhaps for a different topic), in Musescore there is > the possibility to create plugins which provide harmony checks, > someone also did a plugin for a previous Musescore version which > checked only first species counterpoint. > >

openLilyLib

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
Hi all, this is an update and "call for action" regarding openLilyLib. For those not familiar with openLilyLIb a short recap what it is, or rather what the different parts of it are: 1) A "snippets" library located at https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets. This is similar to the official LSR

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
"Andrew Bernard" writes: > It's a pity you have shown aggressive contempt for programmers and > computer scientists in general on this list, and yet you seem to want > to use computers. Any introductory course in numerical analysis will > teach you that floating point

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi David, I know. It is the unreasonable bashing of floating point inaccuracies comment that I was referring to, rather than what lilypond actually does. On 8 November 2016 at 22:23, David Kastrup wrote: > "Andrew Bernard" writes: > > > Since LilyPond

Re: Counterpoint (was: request for programming advice)

2016-11-08 Thread Frauke Jurgensen
In short, yes, such things exist, though not in Lilypond. I am a computational musicologist that collaborates in developing tools for analysing counterpoint. We've got tools like this to use in Humdrum or Music21. I think the Lilypond implementation would not be trivial (as Urs says), but I'll

Re: openLilyLib

2016-11-08 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno mar 8 nov 2016 alle 9:50, Urs Liska ha scritto: So the first thing I would really like to see (and this is actually independent from GSoC) is getting more people involved in openLilyLib, and also that people from the one-digit commit count aspire to get to a

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
Am 08.11.2016 um 12:23 schrieb David Kastrup: >> loating point calculations on computers are inherently >> > inaccurate, due to the design and limitations of computers. > Since LilyPond does not use floating point numbers for durations, all > this is a bit beside the point. > Not really as the

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Karlin High
On 11/8/2016 2:09 AM, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: > Hello McLaren, > > As a newbie to this kind of calculations in notes length, how I am supposed > to play them? > In particular, if others play them too? > > JM "It is the easiest thing in the world to write a piece virtually or totally

Re: Counterpoint

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
Am 08.11.2016 um 14:30 schrieb bart deruyter: > hey, > > seems like my thoughts did spark some interest :-) . > I had no knowledge of Humdrum at all, This is pretty much a niche technology. But LilyPond is also a niche technology, so that comment isn't a judgement ;-) Humdrum is a *data

Re: How to get irrational tuplets inside a regular meter like 9/8

2016-11-08 Thread Urs Liska
Am 08.11.2016 um 14:42 schrieb Karlin High: > On 11/8/2016 2:09 AM, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: >> Hello McLaren, >> >> As a newbie to this kind of calculations in notes length, how I am supposed >> to play them? >> In particular, if others play them too? >> >> JM > "It is the easiest thing in

Re: Counterpoint (was: request for programming advice)

2016-11-08 Thread bart deruyter
hey, seems like my thoughts did spark some interest :-) . I had no knowledge of Humdrum at all, but I've read something about music21 before. If I'm reading it right Music21 is a python library to analyse music. I'm probably thinking way to simplistic, but frescobaldi is written in python too.