Re: markup dynamics wrong size
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
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Am Freitag, 8. August 2008 schrieb Mats Bengtsson:
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
Yes, it would be very nice to be able to specify the alignment point
of a markup in a more convenient way.
I just realized that it indeed is possible to specify the horizontal
alignment point to be between two parts of a markup:
beforeaftermarkup = \markup {\right-align before \left-align after }
but it's too late at night right now for me to figure out how to set it
to be centered on a symbol (like the f in f molto).
We already had that discussion a while back (the 'Aligning sempre pp
with p...' tread starting on Feb 10) and I summarized all suggestions in
the LSR snippets I quoted in my earlier Mail.
Yes, when I was writing my answer, it suddenly felt very familiar but
since it was late at night,
my brain didn't realize to look for the email thread or possible LSR
entry. Thanks for the link.
Just a comment on the LSR entry: I wouldn't expect many people to be
able to understand
exactly how the different methods work, since there's no mention on how
the default alignment
is done. Also, it doesn't mention the obvious drawbacks of Solutions 1,
2, 3 and 5, that you need
quite some trial and error to get the numbers right.
Does anybody know why this LSR entry isn't included in the Snippet List
of the GDP
documentation. Since it only works under 2.11, it certainly would be
more relevant to
have there than in LSR, for the moment.
/Mats
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Re: markup dynamics wrong size
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:33:34 +0200 Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know why this LSR entry isn't included in the Snippet List of the GDP documentation. Because it isn't tagged with docs. I think there's still a lot of snippets that could/should be included in the Snippet Lists, but: 1) somebody needs to identify them 2) somebody needs to make sure those snippets work and have good style 3) the only two volunteers for LSR are doing more useful stuff (Neil as general fixit man, and Valentin slowly doing NR 1.8) *shrug* The technical side is quite simple: a trusted LSR editor only needs to click something like 3-5 times make a snippet automagically appear in the docs. The problem is simply finding volunteers. And no, I'm not going to be involved in training and weeding out people for this task. And I don't suggest that Neil do it; there's too many technical problems that require his know-how and git access to solve. *IF* anybody is willing to this, and *IF* Valentin has the time/inclination to train them, all well and good. If not, this part fo the docs will continue to be not-so-good. Since it only works under 2.11, it certainly would be more relevant to have there than in LSR, for the moment. In this case, it should be removed from LSR and placed in input/new/. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: timing, lyrics, chords, melody
Patrick Horgan wrote:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Hi,
Trying to make my first lilypond song and put let it be on score but
I can't make the timing of the lyrics fit with the melody... :
Try this:
\version 2.11.53
melody = \relative c' {
\clef treble
\key c \major
\time 4/4
\partial 4
g8 a c4 c d a c c d e f f f e e d d2 e4 e f e e d2
e4 d4 c2
}
harmony = \chordmode {
r8 r c2 g a:min f4:maj7f:6 c2 g f c
}
text = \lyricmode {
When I find my -- self in times of trou -- ble,
Moth -- er Ma -- ry comes to me,
Speak -- ing words of wis -- dom
let it be.
}
\score {
\new ChordNames {
\harmony
}
\new Staff{
\new Voice=thesong\melody
}
\context Lyrics \lyricsto thesong \text
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
Ok, thanks.
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Augmentation dot problem in 2.11.55
I'm on an Intel Mac, OS 10.5.4 using the PPC download.
Augmentation dot placement seems to have broken between v2.11.54 and
v2.11.55-2. In the latest version, dots are only placed on staff lines, as
in the attached example. I ran both versions on the same file (and others).
Has anyone seen this on different set-ups?
Thanks.
Peter
%% tested input file
\relative c'' {
\clef treble
\time 3/4
g2. a4. b c8. d e d c4. b a2. g
}
%% ends
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Re: Augmentation dot problem in 2.11.55
I just tried it on XP and Fedora 8. Looks fine here. Dots are *not* on
staff lines.
-David
Peter Johnson wrote:
I'm on an Intel Mac, OS 10.5.4 using the PPC download.
Augmentation dot placement seems to have broken between v2.11.54 and
v2.11.55-2. In the latest version, dots are only placed on staff lines, as
in the attached example. I ran both versions on the same file (and others).
Has anyone seen this on different set-ups?
Thanks.
Peter
%% tested input file
\relative c'' {
\clef treble
\time 3/4
g2. a4. b c8. d e d c4. b a2. g
}
%% ends
http://www.nabble.com/file/p1613/test-2.11.54.jpg
http://www.nabble.com/file/p1613/test-2.11.55-2.jpg
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Re: Augmentation dot problem in 2.11.55
David Bobroff wrote:
I just tried it on XP and Fedora 8. Looks fine here. Dots are *not*
on staff lines.
Are you sure that you used exactly the same version (2.11.55-2)? These
things shouldn't
differ between platforms. I can repeat the problem on Linux and it's
clearly a bug.
/Mats
-David
Peter Johnson wrote:
I'm on an Intel Mac, OS 10.5.4 using the PPC download.
Augmentation dot placement seems to have broken between v2.11.54 and
v2.11.55-2. In the latest version, dots are only placed on staff
lines, as
in the attached example. I ran both versions on the same file (and
others).
Has anyone seen this on different set-ups?
Thanks.
Peter
%% tested input file
\relative c'' {
\clef treble
\time 3/4
g2. a4. b c8. d e d c4. b a2. g }
%% ends
http://www.nabble.com/file/p1613/test-2.11.54.jpg
http://www.nabble.com/file/p1613/test-2.11.55-2.jpg
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Re: Augmentation dot problem in 2.11.55
No, sorry; it was 2.11.55-1.
-David
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
David Bobroff wrote:
I just tried it on XP and Fedora 8. Looks fine here. Dots are *not*
on staff lines.
Are you sure that you used exactly the same version (2.11.55-2)? These
things shouldn't
differ between platforms. I can repeat the problem on Linux and it's
clearly a bug.
/Mats
-David
Peter Johnson wrote:
I'm on an Intel Mac, OS 10.5.4 using the PPC download.
Augmentation dot placement seems to have broken between v2.11.54 and
v2.11.55-2. In the latest version, dots are only placed on staff
lines, as
in the attached example. I ran both versions on the same file (and
others).
Has anyone seen this on different set-ups?
Thanks.
Peter
%% tested input file
\relative c'' {
\clef treble
\time 3/4
g2. a4. b c8. d e d c4. b a2. g }
%% ends
http://www.nabble.com/file/p1613/test-2.11.54.jpg
http://www.nabble.com/file/p1613/test-2.11.55-2.jpg
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Re: Augmentation dot problem in 2.11.55
Hi, I've posted a patch which will fix this (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00131.html); it's awaiting Han-Wen's approval. Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Arlignment of Bars
Hi, I'm new to lilypond. Till now i could solve my problems by reading the documentation, but I could not find anything for the following problem. I am setting an canon and I want to align the bar lines after an linebreak. Regards Michael Menge M.Menge Tel.: (49) 7071/29-70316 Universitaet Tuebingen Fax.: (49) 7071/29-5912 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Waechterstrasse 76 72074 Tuebingen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lily to openoffice
Hi, I saw that there is a OOolilypond, tool to insert lilypond in OO. When will it work with lilypond 2.11 ? Are there other way to do the trick? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lily to openoffice
Search the mailing list archives. For example, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-05/msg00111.html shows one simple change that's needed. /Mats Grammostola Rosea wrote: Hi, I saw that there is a OOolilypond, tool to insert lilypond in OO. When will it work with lilypond 2.11 ? Are there other way to do the trick? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing School of Electrical Engineering Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lily to openoffice
Thanks! Mats Bengtsson wrote: Search the mailing list archives. For example, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-05/msg00111.html shows one simple change that's needed. /Mats Grammostola Rosea wrote: Hi, I saw that there is a OOolilypond, tool to insert lilypond in OO. When will it work with lilypond 2.11 ? Are there other way to do the trick? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Arlignment of Bars
Tanks for the help,
that was what i was looking for.
Regards
Michael
Quoting Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm not sure that I understand. Do you want the bar lines to be aligned
between the multiple lines of the score?
One possible trick is to typeset each score line as a separate stave
and remove the initial connecting bar line
that you normally see in a multi-stave score, as well as the time
signature on all but the top line.
Here's an example:
version 2.10.33
score{
new Staff relative c'' {
time 3/4
c4 c c | b b b | a a a | g2 g4 | f f f | e e e | d d d | c2. |
}
new Staff with {
override TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f } relative c'' {
time 3/4
e4 e e | d d d | c c c | b2 b4 | a a a | g g g | f f f | e2. |
}
new Staff with {
override TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f } relative c'' {
time 3/4
c4 c8 d e f | g4 g, g | a a8 b c d | e2 e,4 | f4 f8 g a b | c4 c, c |
f d b' | c2. |
}
layout{
context{
Score
remove System_start_delimiter_engraver
}
}
}
This solution actually makes some sense also if you generate MIDI output.
Another possibility might be to try to use the support for proportional
notation.
/Mats
Michael Menge wrote:
Hi,
I'm new to lilypond. Till now i could solve my problems by reading
the documentation, but I could not find anything for the following
problem.
I am setting an canon and I want to align the bar lines
after an linebreak.
Regards
Michael Menge
M.Menge Tel.: (49)
7071/29-70316
Universitaet Tuebingen Fax.: (49) 7071/29-5912
Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung mail:
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Re: lily to openoffice
2008/8/8 Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Search the mailing list archives. For example, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-05/msg00111.html shows one simple change that's needed. There's also a piece of information on http://valentin.villenave.info/The-LilyPond-Report-3#outil_sommaire_0 -- just in case you would need a screenshot :-) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Better Midi!
Peter Chubb wrote Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:37 PM
Trevor Hi Peter
Trevor Just tried your articulate.ly. Looks really promising! A
Trevor couple of early comments. It may be obvious, but \articulate
Trevor should only be used in a \score block with just \midi {} - it
Trevor mucks up the printed output if used with \layout { }. And
Trevor dynamics in the midi score block must be applied to all voices
Trevor to be effective.
Peter Yes, it does muck up the printed code.
Peter I'm not sure about the dynamics issue. There are lots of pieces I
Peter have where the dynamics for each voice are independent --- so for
Peter example, the voice is marked `sempre forte' while the piano part is
Peter `decrescendo' then `pp' in Bizet's Toreador's song.
Oh, I know what you mean now. It's a `feature' of Lilypond's midi
output: volume control is done with global control events that set the
master volume, instead of using velocity (at the start of each note)
and aftertouch (during each note). Thus midi volume is global,
instead of per-voice.
No, it's not quite that bad. It's true it does not use velocity
and aftertouch, but the volume of the 16 channels, which are
allocated one per staff, are varied independently according to
the dynamics associated with the voices on that staff.
There is also a basic equaliser to control the relative volumes
of some of the midi instruments which can be adjusted.
What I meant in my previous note was this:
A single line of dynamics often applies to more than one staff in
the printed output but this will affect only one midi channel.
So the dynamics must be included in every staff, even if they are
the same, within the score block which controls the midi output.
I should add the caveat that this understaning is based on a little
experimentation and a bit of code browsing, carried out before
writing the midi sections in the 2.11 Notation Reference. Some
of it may contain inaccuracies. If you, or any one else, spots
any errors in this (section 3.5 MIDI output) please let me know
so I can fix the manual.
Peter C
Trevor
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Re: strange tempo 2
2008/8/8 Neil Puttock [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/7 David Bobroff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does Rheinhold's work allow for the kind of thing I want; a quarter tied to a dotted quarter = number? Yes, since tempoText can take any \markup commands. This means we'll have to rewrite quite a bunch of snippets when .12 is out, don't we? Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Arlignment of Bars
2008/8/8 Michael Menge [EMAIL PROTECTED]: that was what i was looking for. ... and has now been added to the LSR as http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=502 (Gee, the first bar looks awful) Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Expert question on named contexts
Valentin Villenave wrote
Mats Bengtsson wrote
Can anybody tell me exactly what happens with the context names in the
following example.
\relative c'
\new Staff \new Voice = myvoice { c d e f }
\new Staff \context Voice = myvoice { g f e d }
Is the Voice context in the
lower stave given some random unknown name?
I guess it is, since when you add lyrics they're aligned with the
first instanciation of myvoice:
\relative c'
\new Staff \new Voice = myvoice { c d8 e f4 g8 f }
\new Staff \context Voice = myvoice { g8 f e d g4 f }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto myvoice \lyricmode { one two three four five six }
However, I do wonder how this context can be named internally...
My understanding is that the name given to a context is
stored internally as the context's id. You can display this
with the ly:context-id function. In the example above both
contexts have id set to myvoice, as least that's what this
function returns.
I would guess that the lyrics attach to the first context
encountered which has a matching name.
Cheers,
Valentin
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Re: markup dynamics wrong size
2008/8/8 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because it isn't tagged with docs. I think there's still a lot of snippets that could/should be included in the Snippet Lists, but: Hem, IIRC *I* had initially tagged quite a lot of snippets that *you* made me un-tag :-) I think the documentation has tremendously improved for the past year, and this LSR integration is just brilliant (however improvable). Mats, if you happen to stumble upon snippets you find docs-worthy, *please* give me a ping and I'll be happy to correct them, tag them, and possibly even integrate them in the relevant NR subsections. Of all of us, you are the most likely to know what users look for (or don't) in the docs... 2) somebody needs to make sure those snippets work and have good style Yes, six months ago I ran a full LSR review but this should be done again (not before I'm done with my opera though). 3) the only two volunteers for LSR are doing more useful stuff (Neil as general fixit man, and Valentin slowly doing NR 1.8) Thanks for the credit :) I'm still maintaining the LSR and the bug tracker, though. And even if I might seem distant, I'm never much far away (even when I might be, I'm still working with LilyPond on a 18-hours-a-day basis...) The technical side is quite simple: a trusted LSR editor only needs to click something like 3-5 times make a snippet automagically appear in the docs. The problem is simply finding volunteers. Reinhold's dynamics snippet has been tagged as docs. It should appear in the list within 48 hours or so. I remember having ruled this one out because it was too large, too non-minimalistic for documentation purposes. In this case, it should be removed from LSR and placed in input/new/. Yeah, this is the part I'll have to postpone for now. This snippet (as well as many others) is tagged as version-specific, which means we'll be extra careful with it when the time comes. Cheers, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Arlignment of Bars
One more question, is it possible to use ties and slurs across the line break? Quoting Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/8 Michael Menge [EMAIL PROTECTED]: that was what i was looking for. ... and has now been added to the LSR as http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=502 (Gee, the first bar looks awful) Cheers, Valentin M.Menge Tel.: (49) 7071/29-70316 Universitaet Tuebingen Fax.: (49) 7071/29-5912 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Waechterstrasse 76 72074 Tuebingen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: SLopUF: linear LM
Robin Bannister wrote: And it has nice Easter Eggs to keep you on your toes: e.g. the green bit in 2.1.3 is in a different language; Viennese, I think. I don't think that's on purpose--the same section of the same page on the usual web site is in English. Quite cool though--I would have guessed German. Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: strange tempo 2
2008/8/8 Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/8 Neil Puttock [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/7 David Bobroff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does Rheinhold's work allow for the kind of thing I want; a quarter tied to a dotted quarter = number? Yes, since tempoText can take any \markup commands. This means we'll have to rewrite quite a bunch of snippets when .12 is out, don't we? I don't think there are that many which will need tweaking, though a few might be improved using tempoText. Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Expert question on named contexts
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\relative c'
\new Staff \new Voice = myvoice { c d e f }
\new Staff \context Voice = myvoice { g f e d }
both contexts get the same name. If you want to refer to either of
them, you need to name the staves too,
\relative c'
\new Staff = A \new Voice = myvoice { c d e f }
\new Staff = B \context Voice = myvoice { g f e d }
so you can do \context Staff = A \context Voice = myvoice { .. }
to send something the 1st voice.
Apparently, LilyPond lets the latter requirement override the former one.
However, what happens to the context names? Is the Voice context in the
lower
stave given some random unknown name or do both have the same name but are
kept separate because of the context hierarchy. In the latter case, is it
even possible
to refer to the Voice context of the lower stave using the name myvoice,
under
some circumstance?
Perhaps we should have a nice scheme hack that will print out the
context hierarchy at any point.
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Re: [PATCH] Re: Duration dots and Bar lines on custom Staves.
This does not make sense to me at all. line-positions is a property of the staff symbol, as is line-count. If someone is calling Staff_symbol::on_line(x, y) where x is not in fact the staff-symbol, then that is an error in the caller. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Neil Puttock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'line-positions. It doesn't return the correct boolean value when called for ties and dots, since in these cases 'me' isn't the staff-symbol and line_count (me) will be zero here: return ((abs (pos + line_count (me)) % 2) == 1); -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: color notehead according to absolute pitch
If anyone can come up with a nice solution, this should definitely be
added to the LSR...
I'm not sure this is a nice solution yet, but it is at least a little
easier to manipulate the color mapping and it handles enharmonic
spellings easily. Let me know what you think.
-Jay
\version 2.11.54
%Association list of semitones from middle c to colors.
#(define color-mapping
(list
(cons (ly:pitch-semitones (ly:make-pitch 0 0 0)) (x11-color 'blue))
(cons 2 (x11-color 'yellow))
(cons 3 (x11-color 'red))
(cons -1 (x11-color 'green))
(cons 5 (x11-color 'purple))
(cons 7 (x11-color 'cyan))
(cons 8 (x11-color 'ForestGreen))
))
#(define (pitch-to-color pitch)
(let ((color (assv (ly:pitch-semitones pitch) color-mapping)))
(if color (cdr color
#(define (color-notehead grob)
(pitch-to-color (ly:event-property (ly:grob-property grob 'cause) 'pitch)))
\score
{
\new Staff \relative c'
{
\override NoteHead #'color = #color-notehead
c8 b d dis ees f g aes
}
}
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Re: markup dynamics wrong size
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:19:41 +0200 Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/8 Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because it isn't tagged with docs. I think there's still a lot of snippets that could/should be included in the Snippet Lists, but: Hem, IIRC *I* had initially tagged quite a lot of snippets that *you* made me un-tag :-) That's because you weren't doing step 2) somebody needs to make sure these snippets work and have good style. 2) somebody needs to make sure those snippets work and have good style Yes, six months ago I ran a full LSR review but this should be done again (not before I'm done with my opera though). If you did it properly the first time, and evaluated each snippet properly before approving it, you wouldn't need to do it again now. There's a *reason* that I'm so slow and nitpicky. It saves time in the long run. And IMO it's more honest to only have 4 snippets in Expressive (or whatever) that are actually working and have good style, rather than having 24 snippets with 5 broken and 15 with bad style. - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
