Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-08 Thread James Harkins
Antonio Gervasoni agervasoni at gmail.com writes: There is one reason: software like Sibelius and Finale need even more tweaks than Lilypond! For a concrete example of this (never mind the vacation chatter): http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words/blog5.php/2011/07/11/the-year-s-over-and-done

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-08 Thread Noeck
Am 08.01.2013 08:09, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: If you have a whole passage of tuplets, then... [...] And with a small music function like [...] Excellent, but I would say that only musicians who are also programmers and with a good knowledge of Scheme might be able to figure out such

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-08 Thread Antonio Gervasoni
development. Antonio -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Sibelius-user-looking-for-the-easiest-way-to-learn-LilyPond-tp6427p139053.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user

Tuplets (was: Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond)

2013-01-08 Thread Noeck
\set tupletSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 4) How about a command like \partial? \tupletDuration 4 % equivalent to the above command ( The rare case \tupletDuration 4*3 would be \set tupletSpannerDuration = #(ly:make-moment 3 4) ) Is there a possibility to either a) split after the

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-07 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Antonio Gervasoni writes: Of course, just typing notes in a keyboard may be faster than inputing them with the mouse but the workflow becomes very slow when you have to make all the necessary tweaks to get a nice result. Also, there are lots of different expressions and commands and some of

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-07 Thread Antonio Gervasoni
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Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
If you have a whole passage of tuplets, then... [...] And with a small music function like [...] Excellent, but I would say that only musicians who are also programmers and with a good knowledge of Scheme might be able to figure out such solutions. I disagree. All the knowledge is

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-07 Thread Johan Vromans
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes: That's why I like to differentiate between inputting and tweaking. Inputting is probably much, much faster using the keyboard. [...] I'm still not sure what the ideal way of inputting and tweaking would look like. The nice thing about text-based

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-03 Thread james
On Jan 3, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Antonio Gervasoni wrote: John Link johnlink at nyc.rr.com writes: A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow me to do things like

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-03 Thread Noeck
Am 03.01.2013 21:54, schrieb james: My advice, read the learning manual and then task yourself with trying to copy things of increasing difficulty. I would also say the learning manual is the best starting point (after the section about the text input, that you probably already know):

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-03 Thread Shane Brandes
To give you a reverse opinion. Lilypond at a basic level is fairly easy to understand especially if you use a program like Frescobaldi to help you construct the scores with their various parts. That initially was to me the greatest challenge. With Frescobaldi you can build scores and then from

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-03 Thread Olivier Biot
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net wrote: To give you a reverse opinion. Lilypond at a basic level is fairly easy to understand especially if you use a program like Frescobaldi to help you construct the scores with their various parts. This is my experience as

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-02 Thread Antonio Gervasoni
John Link johnlink at nyc.rr.com writes: A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow me to do things like specify that bars 25 through 32 are to be identical to bars 9

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-02 Thread Nick Payne
On 03/01/13 12:46, Antonio Gervasoni wrote: Take for example a tuplet. It requires this expression: \times 2/3 { c8 d e }. It's easy if there are just a few tuplets in the piece, but it gets much more difficult if these occur quite often, even worse if a whole passage, say 10 bars, is comprised

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2013-01-02 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Take for example a tuplet. It requires this expression: \times 2/3 { c8 d e }. It's easy if there are just a few tuplets in the piece, but it gets much more difficult if these occur quite often, even worse if a whole passage, say 10 bars, is comprised only of tuplets! If you have a whole

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: 2012/3/13 Tim Roberts t...@probo.com: Amen.  There are people who tell me they can do data entry in Finale quite efficiently using a MIDI keyboard, but for me, from a standard computer keyboard, entering LilyPond data

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-14 Thread Keith OHara
James Harkins jamshark70 at gmail.com writes: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words/blog5.php/2011/07/11/ the-year-s-over-and-done I digress a bit in the text, but the point is the 3/8 bar. In Finale, I'm quite sure you would have to spend(waste) time adjusting the horizontal position of

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
vic hug xelnagazch...@hotmail.com writes: while beeing a newbie at both Sibelius and Lilypond, and already embracing the magical freedom superiority of the latest, i recently had to make a transcript from a manuscript, and for that i used Sibelius, because i needed to produce sibelius files.

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-14 Thread Neil Puttock
On 14 March 2012 03:01, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: Off topic, LilyPond now places the dots equally-spaced from the noteheads, in that particular example. http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2200 Previously, LilyPond put them all in one column because that was

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-14 Thread Keith OHara
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:20:13 -0700, Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if I want the old behaviour? Do I have to move the Dot_column_engraver back to the Staff context and forgo the improvements in more complicated situations? Yes. But, somebody made a suggestion on the

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-14 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 3/14/12 1:28 PM, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:20:13 -0700, Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if I want the old behaviour? Do I have to move the Dot_column_engraver back to the Staff context and forgo the improvements in more

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-14 Thread James Harkins
At Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:00:47 -0400, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: On 14 March 2012 03:01, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: Off topic, LilyPond now places the dots equally-spaced from the noteheads, in that particular example.

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca To: Vaughan McAlley vaug...@mcalley.net.au Cc: lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:09 AM Subject: Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond Hi Vaughan

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread Stjepan Horvat
...@mcalley.net.au Cc: lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:09 AM Subject: Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond Hi Vaughan, Finale does automatic word extensions for lyrics. Um... so does Lilypond. Cheers, Kieren

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread David Kastrup
Stjepan Horvat zvanste...@gmail.com writes: Did you try to press number 3 in sibelius..i think it would create a third interval..and so on..i'm not sure.. Now this is actually a great example about what makes LilyPond so much better to work in the long run with than Sibelius or other

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/3/13 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Stjepan Horvat zvanste...@gmail.com writes: Did you try to press number 3 in sibelius..i think it would create a third interval..and so on..i'm not sure.. Now this is actually a great example about what makes LilyPond so much better to work in the long

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread David Bobroff
On 3/13/2012 10:01 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Stjepan Horvatzvanste...@gmail.com writes: Did you try to press number 3 in sibelius..i think it would create a third interval..and so on..i'm not sure.. Now this is actually a great example about what makes LilyPond so much better to work in the

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread Rodolfo Zitellini
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, John Link johnl...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:42 AM, David Bobroff wrote: On 3/11/2012 6:39 PM, John Link wrote: A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread James
Hello, On 13 March 2012 12:02, Rodolfo Zitellini xhero...@gmail.com wrote: ... If you are used to finale/sibelius, this is indeed shocking as the first times you use lilypond it is very difficult to correlate your textual input to what will end up in the pdf. It took me some deal of time

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread Stjepan Horvat
For me..After moving to Lilypond 3, 4 years ago..When i changed to NO MOUSE interface..i stoped having headaches couse i didnt have to look in the music sheet for the wrong notes..and didnt have to think of kombinations of keys and clicking with mouse..Now when i typeset music and if i'm not lazy

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread Tim Roberts
James wrote: Oh if you've ever had to transcribe a piece of 'real' music (by real I mean an old dog-eared printed complete score that's in the 'wrong' pitch for your instrument) I cannot believe that typing letters on a keyboard is anything but *significantly* faster than dragging and

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-13 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/3/13 Tim Roberts t...@probo.com: Amen.  There are people who tell me they can do data entry in Finale quite efficiently using a MIDI keyboard, but for me, from a standard computer keyboard, entering LilyPond data could not be more efficient. I used to master Finale's Speedy Entry and

Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread John Link
A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow me to do things like specify that bars 25 through 32 are to be identical to bars 9 through 16 and avoid cutting and pasting

Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread John Link
A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow me to do things like specify that bars 25 through 32 are to be identical to bars 9 through 16 and avoid cutting and pasting

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread David Bobroff
On 3/11/2012 6:39 PM, John Link wrote: A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow me to do things like specify that bars 25 through 32 are to be identical to bars 9 through

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread David Bobroff
On 3/12/2012 1:52 PM, John Link wrote: On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:42 AM, David Bobroff wrote: On 3/11/2012 6:39 PM, John Link wrote: A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread David Bobroff
On 3/12/2012 2:15 PM, John Link wrote: On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:01 AM, David Bobroff wrote: On 3/12/2012 1:52 PM, John Link wrote: 1) What is the easiest way to extract parts from a score? A Zen master would reply mu (= un-ask the question). Extracting parts is a meaningless idea in

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread John Link
On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:42 AM, David Bobroff wrote: On 3/11/2012 6:39 PM, John Link wrote: A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow me to do things like specify that

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread John Link
On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:01 AM, David Bobroff wrote: On 3/12/2012 1:52 PM, John Link wrote: 1) What is the easiest way to extract parts from a score? A Zen master would reply mu (= un-ask the question). Extracting parts is a meaningless idea in LilyPond. I thought that might be the

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread David Kastrup
John Link johnl...@nyc.rr.com writes: A few years ago I was encouraged to try LilyPond as an alternative to Sibelius because LilyPond produced more beautiful scores. I was also told that it would allow me to do things like specify that bars 25 through 32 are to be identical to bars 9 through

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread James Harkins
At Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:14:02 -0400, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Impressive! Can you now create scores as quickly as you used to in Finale? It's partly a matter of where you want to spend your time. My go-to example is here:

Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond

2012-03-12 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Vaughan, Finale does automatic word extensions for lyrics. Um… so does Lilypond. Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user