Next Perl Mongers Meeting: this thursday

2003-06-08 Thread Gabor Szabo
As it was in the past year every month, the Israeli Perl Mongers continoue to have their monthly meetings. Our meetings are mostly technical. On every meeting we have 1-3 presentations about some interesting technique in Perl or about a subject relevant to our programming needs. Then we chat

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
VV the best programming language? Is it widely used? Well, yes, it VV is, but will it be widely used in five years? I guess, yes. Last three times of five years nothing happened that made C irrelevant. What is going to happen in next five years that will? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
NH Anyway, if you consider C++ an extension of C, studying C first NH is time well spent. Of course, if the teacher will emphasise I think this is very wrong. C++ is not an extension of C, even though C++ syntax is an extension of C syntax. Teaching C++ as extension of C is a very wrong path to

Re: Linux distro for old computers

2003-06-08 Thread Dan Armak
On Sunday 08 June 2003 01:10, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:25:38PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote: Content-Description: signed data On Saturday 07 June 2003 21:04, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Use custom installtion. Ditch stuff you don't need. Tried that. It's not

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
HM Last time that I heard, in Ben-Gurion university, the first programming HM language was Java. That's a swell idea in my opinion. Java is HM feature-complete, you can't argue with that. It also means that students I can. Too many times I have heard from Java guys working next door phrases like

Re: announce: SendSMS 3.4

2003-06-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Hetz Ben Hamo, from the post of Sat, 07 Jun: The problem is that ping does not work on URLs. It only works on hostnames. You should use wget for URLs or ping the hostname. Yeah, big fadiha. Next time - a shower before starting to use the computers ;) fiii... a shower is always a

Re: Linux distro for old computers

2003-06-08 Thread Diego Iastrubni
, 8 2003, 01:10, Tzafrir Cohen : On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:25:38PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote: Content-Description: signed data On Saturday 07 June 2003 21:04, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Use custom installtion. Ditch stuff you don't need. Tried that. It's not granular enough.

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can. Too many times I have heard from Java guys working next door phrases like This feature works starting with Java 1.x and saw This feature is deprecated. Say hi to the guys next door... But really, I think you misinterpret this. Yes, there

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
At 10:20 08.06.2003 +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: HM Last time that I heard, in Ben-Gurion university, the first programming HM language was Java. That's a swell idea in my opinion. Java is HM feature-complete, you can't argue with that. It also means that students I can. Too many times I have

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Eran Tromer
On 2003/06/08 12:01, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Java itself, the language, hasn't changed since JDK 1.1 (released in 97 if I'm not mistaken). Nearly so. JDK 1.1 added the strictfp keyword, and JDK 1.4 added the assert keyword. Eran

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Eran Tromer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003/06/08 12:01, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Java itself, the language, hasn't changed since JDK 1.1 (released in 97 if I'm not mistaken). Nearly so. JDK 1.1 added the strictfp keyword, and JDK 1.4 added the assert keyword. Reportedly, more

Re: Hebrew with Crossover office

2003-06-08 Thread Oleg Kobets
Is this by any chance refers to Mandrake 9.1 ??? - Original Message - From: Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: Hebrew with Crossover office Hi, I'm currently evaluating CX office, and I'm liking what I'm seeing.

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
At 13:16 08.06.2003 +0200, Eran Tromer wrote: On 2003/06/08 12:01, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Java itself, the language, hasn't changed since JDK 1.1 (released in 97 if I'm not mistaken). Nearly so. JDK 1.1 added the strictfp keyword, and JDK 1.4 added the assert keyword. True, yes...

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Eran Tromer
On 2003/06/08 12:56, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Reportedly, more important changes will be introduced in 1.5, including [snip] templates (dubbed generics) Hardly! In Java's new generics you declare what the template argument must extend/implement. In C++'s templates the template code just

Call for help- changing from ie only to standard

2003-06-08 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
I was contacted by Ort for help making their CMS system (Merhavim ) compatible to standards, and not just ie browsers as it is at the moment (gecko displays a blank page, khtml safari only the top line) The system runs a few sites, including http://www.nagish.org.il As I am not a JavaScript

Re: Call for help- changing from ie only to standard

2003-06-08 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
Shoshannah Forbes wrote on 2003-06-08: I was contacted by Ort for help making their CMS system (Merhavim ) compatible to standards, and not just ie browsers as it is at the moment (gecko displays a blank page, khtml safari only the top line) The system runs a few sites, including

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
Oh goodie, a holy war :-) [seen on usenet] Well, this is a long thread (and yes, I've read it all) and I feel like replying at almost every point so I'll reply in one piece ;). I've learnt mainly Pascal for my 5 points bagrut. Now that I think of it, the most characterizing thing about this is

[Solved] Unsetting GTK_RC_FILES in KDE on Mandrake 9.1

2003-06-08 Thread Shlomi Fish
OK, I found a solution. By setting GTK_RC_FILES and GTK2_RC_FILES in my bashrc, they were not set again. I was finally able to realize what to do by inspecting the kdebase RPM and searching for Galaxy. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi! I recently

Re: Communicating problems with rh8 httpd server.

2003-06-08 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 03:54:20AM +0300, Stiven Andre wrote: Hi List. May be the post is a little OT becouse the problem may as well be in the ISP(as I guess). So here is the situation: I have a rh8 server that is connected by ADSL provided by internet zahav. The server runs apache httpd

SuSE rep in Israel

2003-06-08 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Hiya, all. I seem to remember (weakly) that someone here asked for SuSE rep in Israel. I have stumbled upon one and, to save the adverts, whoever it was who was looking for one, contact me and you shall be informed. M -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
AM and many other universities teach Scheme in their introduction AM to CS classes. Scheme has garbage collection, no pointer AM arithmetics, unboundedly Well, I personally never understood how anybody can use, let alone like, a language that has '(' and ')' as it's only syntax and I personally

Re: Communicating problems with rh8 httpd server.

2003-06-08 Thread Stiven Andre
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 20:23, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 03:54:20AM +0300, Stiven Andre wrote: Hi List. May be the post is a little OT becouse the problem may as well be in the ISP(as I guess). So here is the situation: I have a rh8 server that is connected by ADSL

Re: Communicating problems with rh8 httpd server.

2003-06-08 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 03:54:20AM +0300, Stiven Andre wrote: Hi List. May be the post is a little OT becouse the problem may as well be in the ISP(as I guess). So here is the situation: I have a rh8 server that is connected by ADSL provided by internet zahav. The server runs apache httpd

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
AM The main change since JDK1.1 was the clean and fairly complete AM Collections framework in JDK 1.2, but that's of course not a AM language change (although it's much more important than scrictfp AM or assert). It definitely is. Standard Java library is a part of Java language package, as well

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Seriously - the average person in the street isn't aware about the alternatives. The standard costs the tax payers a lot of money and locks out the competition. This is what brought us to the current situation. Government decision that all schools should use OpenOffice would also cost the

Re: Miki Eitan's IT Chug

2003-06-08 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi Daniel, Being as it is that Hamakor is currently trying to find a project leader for pushing this thing directly with someone in the MoE, I think this effort HAS to be coordinated. Agree, That's why I raised the issue, rather than going off half cocked. I'm having a

Re: SuSE rep in Israel

2003-06-08 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Hiya, all. I seem to remember (weakly) that someone here asked for SuSE rep in Israel. I have stumbled upon one and, to save the adverts, whoever it was who was looking for one, contact me and you shall be informed. M Yeah? If used to be PF1 used to be

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread linux_il
On Sunday 08 June 2003 22:42, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Government decision that all schools should use OpenOffice would also cost the taxpayers (maybe less) and lock out the competition. The only visible difference is that we win and they lose. That's OK, but speaking in these terms and

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread Dan Armak
On Sunday 08 June 2003 22:42, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Seriously - the average person in the street isn't aware about the alternatives. The standard costs the tax payers a lot of money and locks out the competition. This is what brought us to the current situation. Government decision

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 09:51:46PM +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: AM and many other universities teach Scheme in their introduction AM to CS classes. Scheme has garbage collection, no pointer AM arithmetics, unboundedly Well, I personally never understood how anybody can use, let alone

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Daniel Vainsencher
The best Paul Graham article on this subject is http://www.paulgraham.com/paulgraham/icad.html Which should convince you that if someone is telling you that language A he knows and you don't is better than language B you both know, you should learn at least a little of A just in case he's right.

iptables and smart routing

2003-06-08 Thread Alon Altman
1. Short question - is there any way for iptables to mangle the DESTINATION ip address after routing a packet and the SOURCE ip address before routing it? 2. Big question - I have the following network setup at home: ___ (linux) __|