Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-10-03 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Mikhael! On Sunday 30 Aug 2009 02:51:47 Mikhael Goikhman wrote: On 28 Aug 2009 21:39:14 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi Mikhael! Thanks for your comments and sorry for the late response. No worry about the late response, mostly because I didn't see much to discuss here. You wrote a

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-10-03 Thread Oron Peled
Shlomi, have you noticed you are the only one so far that consistently cross post to several mailing lists? On Saturday, 3 בOctober 2009 15:48:53 Shlomi Fish wrote: ... the FSF is far too picky and fanatical about its choice of what is a 100% Free Distribution. From my understanding, the FSF

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-02 Thread Meir Kriheli
On 09/01/2009 11:21 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: snipped/ Apple is actually a pretty decent supporter of FOSS, they just chose not to use the GPL, which lead them to BSD instead of Linux, and they kept parts of their operating system and technology proprietary. They have an obligation to

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-02 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Meir Kriheli wrote: A company which shuts down websites (to let their PR keep rolling on launch), How about a citation? This is to vague to be anything but FUD without one. forces other to remove videos (wired), That's simply wrong. Apple never forced

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-02 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 22:43:12 Steve Litt wrote: On Tuesday 01 September 2009 14:09:24 Shlomi Fish wrote: So why am I still sticking with the MIT/X11? The main reason I think is that as an open-source programmer, I'm not interested in worrying about how people abuse my code. I don't

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-02 Thread Meir Kriheli
On 09/02/2009 01:16 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Meir Kriheli wrote: A company which shuts down websites (to let their PR keep rolling on launch), How about a citation? This is to vague to be anything but FUD without one. ThinkSecret had to shutdown in

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-02 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 12:30:34 Meir Kriheli wrote: On 09/01/2009 11:21 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: snipped/ Apple is actually a pretty decent supporter of FOSS, they just chose not to use the GPL, which lead them to BSD instead of Linux, and they kept parts of their

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-01 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 21 August 2009 19:58:13 Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all! I have published a new essay about free software licences: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences-wa rs/ Any comments will be welcome. Replying to myself (while de-CCing Perl-IL) I'd like to

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 14:09:24 Shlomi Fish wrote: So why am I still sticking with the MIT/X11? The main reason I think is that as an open-source programmer, I'm not interested in worrying about how people abuse my code. I don't like Apple, and am not fond of many Microsoft products.

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-09-01 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Even if they do monopolistic things with your code? See this: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137291/Mac_clone_maker_sues_Apple_over_Snow_Leopard I think the preceding article is one of the strongest arguments for copyleft I've ever

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-25 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 21 Aug 2009 19:58:13 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: I have published a new essay about free software licences: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences-wars/ Any comments will be welcome. This article contains several factual errors as well as many arguments

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sunday 23 August 2009 05:43:55 you wrote: Hi Steve, and everybody! On Saturday 22 August 2009 21:54:35 Steve Litt wrote: I think a lot of people (including me) like GPL's guarantee that they're not doing unpaid work for Microsoft (or Apple). My experience with VimOutliner, which is

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Steve, and everybody! On Saturday 22 August 2009 21:54:35 Steve Litt wrote: On Saturday 22 August 2009 03:21:13 you wrote: On Friday 21 August 2009 22:07:17 Steve Litt wrote: I disagree with some of your conclusions, but obviously your facts are spot on. Thanks. I would be happy

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-24 Thread Ori Idan
I do completely understand the attractiveness of the MIT license. It's simple and can't come back to bite you later. I'm just saying the GPL has plenty of benefits. I am not sure I understand. MIT license can't come back and bite me? Correct me if I am wrong but in MIT license someone can

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sunday 23 August 2009 01:49:09 you wrote: I do completely understand the attractiveness of the MIT license. It's simple and can't come back to bite you later. I'm just saying the GPL has plenty of benefits. I am not sure I understand. MIT license can't come back and bite me?

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 23 August 2009 08:49:09 Ori Idan wrote: I do completely understand the attractiveness of the MIT license. It's simple and can't come back to bite you later. I'm just saying the GPL has plenty of benefits. I am not sure I understand. MIT license can't come back and bite

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:14:28 Steve Litt wrote: On Sunday 23 August 2009 05:43:55 you wrote: Hi Steve, and everybody! On Saturday 22 August 2009 21:54:35 Steve Litt wrote: I think a lot of people (including me) like GPL's guarantee that they're not doing unpaid work for Microsoft

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-22 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 21 August 2009 22:07:17 Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 21 August 2009 12:58:13 Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all! I have published a new essay about free software licences: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences- wa rs/ Any comments will be welcome.

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-22 Thread Ori Idan
I also like the article, it really shows most of the licenses and explains them. I would be happy if it contains more information about the clauses in BSD licenses. As for myself I prefer writing GPL applications as GPL license keeps the software free so it actually defends me from people that

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Saturday 22 August 2009 03:21:13 you wrote: On Friday 21 August 2009 22:07:17 Steve Litt wrote: I disagree with some of your conclusions, but obviously your facts are spot on. Thanks. I would be happy to hear any arguments you have against my conclusions. Maybe I'll change my opinions.

Re: New Essay - FOSS Licences Wars

2009-08-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 21 August 2009 12:58:13 Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all! I have published a new essay about free software licences: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences-wa rs/ Any comments will be welcome. Excellent essay! I like the way you immediately revealed