Re: Txt field for the subdomain

2008-11-22 Thread don

Steve Holdoway wrote:


what do you mean by subdomain??


Sorry Steve, I wasn't very helpful with my question was it?!

See:  http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html

They don't have an instruction manual, only a fairly low level wiki.

I'm helping the project by writing a user manual for the shared hosting 
features.


I'm just working on the screen that lets site owners set up sub domains.




I use v=spf1 a mx ~all on my domain, and implement domainkeys as well. The 
only way to guarantee mail delivery to yahoo/xtra.


Yip, I looked at your domain.  I see what you've done.  Confess I don't 
understand why.


you'll need to read up on spf/dk first tho.


Yip, There's a few things I'm learning about DNS today as a result of 
trying to write a manual.



Cheers Don

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Ph +64 3 348 7235 or + 64 21 114 0699
www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz


Re: iptables...

2008-11-22 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sat 22 Nov 2008 18:11:28 NZDT +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote:

 Does anyone have any simple rules out there to enable the following:
 
 eth0 local
 eth1 dmz
 eth2 internet
 
 all local can see dmz and internet
 all dmz can see only internet

My personal incantations are pfsense (though that's pf, not iptables)
and SuSEfirewall2. Both generate the nitty-gritty from the policy I
specify. I've never quite understood why anyone would go out to program
in a low level when the same job can be achieved easier and more
reliably with a higher language. There are several other firewall rule
generators available. If you really have to have the iptables dirt,
examine the output of a rule generator.

Volker

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Re: iptables...

2008-11-22 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Volker Kuhlmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 specify. I've never quite understood why anyone would go out to program
 in a low level when the same job can be achieved easier and more
 reliably with a higher language. There are several other firewall rule
 generators available.

If you want to learn how something works, programming at a low level
is a great thing to do.

If you want to be productive, especially in terms of the amount of
time invested in a project, high-level programming is the way to go.

So, for firewalling, a business should generally be using a generator
of some kind, and never look at the details. A hobbyist would
generally benefit greatly from creating rules by hand -- accepting
that they will miss out on a lot of the subtelty that a generator will
handle.

You're both right :-)

-jim


Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Roger Searle
I'm a little puzzled by your email and it seems to me that more info is 
needed.  Do you have a bunch of computers you want to network and so are 
interested in setting up a (static) numbering scheme?  Presumably those 
computers do not connect to the internet, because if they do there must 
be a router of some sort between your network and the internet.  Is it 
that you have a single computer that you're having trouble assigning a 
static IP address to and the others are quite happy and get their IP 
address from somewhere?


Hopefully you're not thinking that your switch is going to be helping 
you assign numbers or is somehow relevant, as essentially it is just a 
place where your ethernet cables terminate, it's just a matter of having 
a valid numbering scheme.


Cheers,
Roger


chris wrote:

Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?

there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.

this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
Regards Chris T

  


Re: iptables...

2008-11-22 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sun 23 Nov 2008 07:57:59 NZDT +1300, Jim Cheetham wrote:

 If you want to learn how something works, programming at a low level
 is a great thing to do.
 
 If you want to be productive, especially in terms of the amount of
 time invested in a project, high-level programming is the way to go.

Yes to both. But if I wanted to learn assembler, I'd look at the output
created by the compiler[1] (apart from of course other programming
examples), and I still would use a compiler to generate the assembler
code, unless I had specific and extremely good reason not to. And I know
Steve doesn't need to learn iptables any more :)

But I just remembered that I was playing once with networks and had to
hook up a box through a spare interface of another box, hence basic
routing was needed. Mind this was for functionality, not to achieve any
security, so the code I saved from that is not firewall-suitable by
itself. One would need to add a third interface, suitable packet paths,
and appropriate rules on each interface for Steve's problem. Keep in
mind that large parts of iptables only work after the appropriate
modules have been loaded. Have fun[2].

Volker

[1] Something I do sometimes to check how good the code is which is
generated by a compiler for an embedded system.

[2]


INTIF=eth0
EXTIF=eth1

ifconfig /dev/null $INTIF  # will exit !=0 with set -e
ifconfig /dev/null $EXTIF

/sbin/modprobe ip_tables
/sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack
/sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp
/sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_tftp
/sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_irc
/sbin/modprobe iptable_nat
/sbin/modprobe ip_nat_ftp
/sbin/modprobe ip_nat_tftp

echo 1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
echo 1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr

iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
iptables -F INPUT
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
iptables -F OUTPUT
iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
iptables -F FORWARD
iptables -t nat -F
iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF \
-m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF \
-m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -j ACCEPT
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INTIF -j MASQUERADE
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE



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Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Nick Rout
no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.

left click the network manager icon on the top panel

click manual configuration

unlock and fill in credentials

click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
unclick roaming mode

fill in the gaps.

you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places


On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
 using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?

 there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
 not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.

 this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
 Regards Chris T




Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread chris
Sorry, Lack of experience on my part.

I have 4 computers, including a laptop.
Each is running 8.04.
2 are dual boot.
only 2 of the computers are connected to the Internet.
 The connection is by individual modem.

However they are also in separate areas of the house.
I have a need to install a lan for purposes of updating various data
files, which up to now has been done by usb key etc.
I was given a edimax fast ethernet switch, and a bunch of cat5 cables.

All the printers access the two printers, so far with no problems.
So I have seven cables going into the switch
what I cannot do is get the computers to talk to each other.

I have set them all to static ip address following the outline given on
the Ubuntu website.
so far no luck.

As there is not a server involved, there is no DHCP or need for one as
far as I can understand.

Hope this clarifies things for you
Regards Chris T

On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 08:16 +1300, Roger Searle wrote:
 I'm a little puzzled by your email and it seems to me that more info is 
 needed.  Do you have a bunch of computers you want to network and so are 
 interested in setting up a (static) numbering scheme?  Presumably those 
 computers do not connect to the internet, because if they do there must 
 be a router of some sort between your network and the internet.  Is it 
 that you have a single computer that you're having trouble assigning a 
 static IP address to and the others are quite happy and get their IP 
 address from somewhere?
 
 Hopefully you're not thinking that your switch is going to be helping 
 you assign numbers or is somehow relevant, as essentially it is just a 
 place where your ethernet cables terminate, it's just a matter of having 
 a valid numbering scheme.
 
 Cheers,
 Roger
 
 
 chris wrote:
  Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
  using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
 
  there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
  not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
 
  this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
  Regards Chris T
 




Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread chris
Hi Nick,
this is what I have done, with no result.
the network is working, as I can access the printers via swiftweasel,
but I cannot get the computers to talk to each other.
I obtained the ip address for the cards using a combination of ifconfig,
under Ubuntu, and ipconfig under xp.

Nor can I ping the other computers.

unfortunately, I am now at the end of my limited knowledge.

regards
Chris Thomas
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
 no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
 
 left click the network manager icon on the top panel
 
 click manual configuration
 
 unlock and fill in credentials
 
 click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
 unclick roaming mode
 
 fill in the gaps.
 
 you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
 
 
 On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
  using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
 
  there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
  not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
 
  this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
  Regards Chris T
 
 



Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread chris
A further question please.
s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
would I get one?
Regards Chris T
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
 no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
 
 left click the network manager icon on the top panel
 
 click manual configuration
 
 unlock and fill in credentials
 
 click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
 unclick roaming mode
 
 fill in the gaps.
 
 you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
 
 
 On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
  using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
 
  there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
  not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
 
  this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
  Regards Chris T
 
 



Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Nick Rout
you would need a dns address if you wanted to access any other machine
by name as opposed to ip address. if you are happy accessing via ip
address it is not needed.

do bear in mind some protocols do a dns lookup to see if the
connecting machine is who it says it is (a reverse dns lookup) and if
there is no dns available this can produce a long timeout delay.

do you have a firewall on?

what does traceroute tell you?

are all machines on the same subnet (ie 192.168.n.x where n is a
constant throughout your network and x varies per machine between 1
and 254.

what does the routing table say? route -n is the command you want.

(all this is why dhcp is often a useful protocol!)

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A further question please.
 s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
 would I get one?
 Regards Chris T
 On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
 no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.

 left click the network manager icon on the top panel

 click manual configuration

 unlock and fill in credentials

 click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
 unclick roaming mode

 fill in the gaps.

 you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places


 On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
  using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
 
  there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
  not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
 
  this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
  Regards Chris T
 
 




Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread chris
Thank you Nick for your patience.

No I have always up to now only used IP addresses
All machines are on the same subnet
169.254 etc

here is the output from route -n

Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
218.101.58.65   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00
ppp0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00
eth0
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00
ppp0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

I will look on the internet for information on dns
regards Chris Thomas

On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:57 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
 you would need a dns address if you wanted to access any other machine
 by name as opposed to ip address. if you are happy accessing via ip
 address it is not needed.
 
 do bear in mind some protocols do a dns lookup to see if the
 connecting machine is who it says it is (a reverse dns lookup) and if
 there is no dns available this can produce a long timeout delay.
 
 do you have a firewall on?
 
 what does traceroute tell you?
 
 are all machines on the same subnet (ie 192.168.n.x where n is a
 constant throughout your network and x varies per machine between 1
 and 254.
 
 what does the routing table say? route -n is the command you want.
 
 (all this is why dhcp is often a useful protocol!)
 
 On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A further question please.
  s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
  would I get one?
  Regards Chris T
  On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
  no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
 
  left click the network manager icon on the top panel
 
  click manual configuration
 
  unlock and fill in credentials
 
  click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
  unclick roaming mode
 
  fill in the gaps.
 
  you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
 
 
  On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
   using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
  
   there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
   not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
  
   this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
   Regards Chris T
  
  
 
 



Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread chris
Apologies Nick
I have turned off the firewall whilst I try to get things working

ufw -disable
regards Chris t
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:57 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
 you would need a dns address if you wanted to access any other machine
 by name as opposed to ip address. if you are happy accessing via ip
 address it is not needed.
 
 do bear in mind some protocols do a dns lookup to see if the
 connecting machine is who it says it is (a reverse dns lookup) and if
 there is no dns available this can produce a long timeout delay.
 
 do you have a firewall on?
 
 what does traceroute tell you?
 
 are all machines on the same subnet (ie 192.168.n.x where n is a
 constant throughout your network and x varies per machine between 1
 and 254.
 
 what does the routing table say? route -n is the command you want.
 
 (all this is why dhcp is often a useful protocol!)
 
 On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A further question please.
  s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
  would I get one?
  Regards Chris T
  On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
  no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
 
  left click the network manager icon on the top panel
 
  click manual configuration
 
  unlock and fill in credentials
 
  click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
  unclick roaming mode
 
  fill in the gaps.
 
  you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
 
 
  On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
   using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
  
   there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
   not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
  
   this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
   Regards Chris T
  
  
 
 



Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Steve Holdoway
I recommend that you use a non-routeable subnet that doesn't have weird 
meanings for microsoft. For example ( as Nick suggested )

192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254

use a netmask of 255.255.255.0

Sharing computers does require more than just putting them on a common network. 
One machine needs to publish resources before another can use them. If you're 
sharing data, then you need to share a disk on one machine before you can see 
and use it on another. In the situation you're describing, I'd probably install 
samba somewhere and join all your computers into a common workgroup to make 
things a bit easier.

Using a DNS server on your network will allow you to name your computers, 
rather than having to use these weird numbers instead.

hth,

Steve

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:05:21 +1300
chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you Nick for your patience.
 
 No I have always up to now only used IP addresses
 All machines are on the same subnet
 169.254 etc
 
 here is the output from route -n
 
 Kernel IP routing table
 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
 Iface
 218.101.58.65   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00
 ppp0
 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00
 eth0
 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00
 ppp0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
 
 I will look on the internet for information on dns
 regards Chris Thomas
 
 On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:57 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
  you would need a dns address if you wanted to access any other machine
  by name as opposed to ip address. if you are happy accessing via ip
  address it is not needed.
  
  do bear in mind some protocols do a dns lookup to see if the
  connecting machine is who it says it is (a reverse dns lookup) and if
  there is no dns available this can produce a long timeout delay.
  
  do you have a firewall on?
  
  what does traceroute tell you?
  
  are all machines on the same subnet (ie 192.168.n.x where n is a
  constant throughout your network and x varies per machine between 1
  and 254.
  
  what does the routing table say? route -n is the command you want.
  
  (all this is why dhcp is often a useful protocol!)
  
  On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   A further question please.
   s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
   would I get one?
   Regards Chris T
   On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
   no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
  
   left click the network manager icon on the top panel
  
   click manual configuration
  
   unlock and fill in credentials
  
   click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
   unclick roaming mode
  
   fill in the gaps.
  
   you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
  
  
   On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
   
there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I 
have
not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
   
this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
Regards Chris T
   
   
  
  
 


-- 
Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Nick Rout
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:05 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thank you Nick for your patience.

 No I have always up to now only used IP addresses
 All machines are on the same subnet
 169.254 etc

 here is the output from route -n

 Kernel IP routing table
 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
 Iface
 218.101.58.65   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00
 ppp0
 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00
 eth0
 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00
 ppp0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


169.254. etc is not a real IP address. It is one allocated by zeroconf
or similar when you cannot get a real world ip address. Set them to
192.168.1.x


 I will look on the internet for information on dns
 regards Chris Thomas

 On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:57 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
 you would need a dns address if you wanted to access any other machine
 by name as opposed to ip address. if you are happy accessing via ip
 address it is not needed.

 do bear in mind some protocols do a dns lookup to see if the
 connecting machine is who it says it is (a reverse dns lookup) and if
 there is no dns available this can produce a long timeout delay.

 do you have a firewall on?

 what does traceroute tell you?

 are all machines on the same subnet (ie 192.168.n.x where n is a
 constant throughout your network and x varies per machine between 1
 and 254.

 what does the routing table say? route -n is the command you want.

 (all this is why dhcp is often a useful protocol!)

 On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A further question please.
  s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
  would I get one?
  Regards Chris T
  On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
  no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
 
  left click the network manager icon on the top panel
 
  click manual configuration
 
  unlock and fill in credentials
 
  click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
  unclick roaming mode
 
  fill in the gaps.
 
  you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
 
 
  On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a LAN,
   using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
  
   there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I have
   not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
  
   this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
   Regards Chris T
  
  
 
 




Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Nick Rout
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I recommend that you use a non-routeable subnet that doesn't have weird 
 meanings for microsoft. For example ( as Nick suggested )

 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254

 use a netmask of 255.255.255.0

 Sharing computers does require more than just putting them on a common 
 network. One machine needs to publish resources before another can use them.

yes but ping should work, and doesn't!

 If you're sharing data, then you need to share a disk on one machine before 
 you can see and use it on another. In the situation you're describing, I'd 
 probably install samba somewhere and join all your computers into a common 
 workgroup to make things a bit easier.

 Using a DNS server on your network will allow you to name your computers, 
 rather than having to use these weird numbers instead.

 hth,

 Steve

 On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:05:21 +1300
 chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you Nick for your patience.

 No I have always up to now only used IP addresses
 All machines are on the same subnet
 169.254 etc

 here is the output from route -n

 Kernel IP routing table
 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
 Iface
 218.101.58.65   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00
 ppp0
 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00
 eth0
 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00
 ppp0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

 I will look on the internet for information on dns
 regards Chris Thomas

 On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:57 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
  you would need a dns address if you wanted to access any other machine
  by name as opposed to ip address. if you are happy accessing via ip
  address it is not needed.
 
  do bear in mind some protocols do a dns lookup to see if the
  connecting machine is who it says it is (a reverse dns lookup) and if
  there is no dns available this can produce a long timeout delay.
 
  do you have a firewall on?
 
  what does traceroute tell you?
 
  are all machines on the same subnet (ie 192.168.n.x where n is a
  constant throughout your network and x varies per machine between 1
  and 254.
 
  what does the routing table say? route -n is the command you want.
 
  (all this is why dhcp is often a useful protocol!)
 
  On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   A further question please.
   s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
   would I get one?
   Regards Chris T
   On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
   no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
  
   left click the network manager icon on the top panel
  
   click manual configuration
  
   unlock and fill in credentials
  
   click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
   unclick roaming mode
  
   fill in the gaps.
  
   you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
  
  
   On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a 
LAN,
using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?
   
there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I 
have
not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.
   
this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
Regards Chris T
   
   
  
  



 --
 Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread chris
many thanks to all for you kindness and help.
I have samba installed, but only with default settings as I wouldn't
know where to start.
disk sharing is enabled with with the common partition on all machines.

could you point me to where I would look for information on installing a
simple dns server on my main machine?

I will alter the ip numbers as you and Nick have suggested and have a
play later to see what happens.
Again many thanks
Chris Thomas

On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 10:26 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote:
 I recommend that you use a non-routeable subnet that doesn't have weird 
 meanings for microsoft. For example ( as Nick suggested )
 
 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254
 
 use a netmask of 255.255.255.0
 
 Sharing computers does require more than just putting them on a common 
 network. One machine needs to publish resources before another can use them. 
 If you're sharing data, then you need to share a disk on one machine before 
 you can see and use it on another. In the situation you're describing, I'd 
 probably install samba somewhere and join all your computers into a common 
 workgroup to make things a bit easier.
 
 Using a DNS server on your network will allow you to name your computers, 
 rather than having to use these weird numbers instead.
 
 hth,
 
 Steve
 
 On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:05:21 +1300
 chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thank you Nick for your patience.
  
  No I have always up to now only used IP addresses
  All machines are on the same subnet
  169.254 etc
  
  here is the output from route -n
  
  Kernel IP routing table
  Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
  Iface
  218.101.58.65   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00
  ppp0
  169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00
  eth0
  0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0  00
  ppp0
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
  
  I will look on the internet for information on dns
  regards Chris Thomas
  
  On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:57 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
   you would need a dns address if you wanted to access any other machine
   by name as opposed to ip address. if you are happy accessing via ip
   address it is not needed.
   
   do bear in mind some protocols do a dns lookup to see if the
   connecting machine is who it says it is (a reverse dns lookup) and if
   there is no dns available this can produce a long timeout delay.
   
   do you have a firewall on?
   
   what does traceroute tell you?
   
   are all machines on the same subnet (ie 192.168.n.x where n is a
   constant throughout your network and x varies per machine between 1
   and 254.
   
   what does the routing table say? route -n is the command you want.
   
   (all this is why dhcp is often a useful protocol!)
   
   On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:47 AM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A further question please.
s there is no server involved, why would I need a DNS address, and where
would I get one?
Regards Chris T
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 09:06 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
no difference between a router and a switch from this point of view.
   
left click the network manager icon on the top panel
   
click manual configuration
   
unlock and fill in credentials
   
click on the connection you want to fiddle with, click properties and
unclick roaming mode
   
fill in the gaps.
   
you'll also need to provide dns addresses in the obvious places
   
   
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:54 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone direct me to some information that can help me set up a 
 LAN,
 using static ip numbers with a switch, not a router?

 there is a heap of information using DHCP, and using routers, but I 
 have
 not been able to find anything using static numbers and a switch.

 this particular distro does not seem to like static ip numbers
 Regards Chris T


   
   
  
 
 



Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Nick Rout
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 many thanks to all for you kindness and help.
 I have samba installed, but only with default settings as I wouldn't
 know where to start.
 disk sharing is enabled with with the common partition on all machines.

 could you point me to where I would look for information on installing a
 simple dns server on my main machine?

 I will alter the ip numbers as you and Nick have suggested and have a
 play later to see what happens.

get it to the point where ping works before futzing around with other services.

if basic networking isn't working then there is no point in the other services


Re: ubuntu 8.04 Now solved

2008-11-22 Thread chris
Many Thanks to you Nick, and Steve, for your assistance.
I changed the ip address's in my two main machines, to what you and
Steve suggested, and everything sprang to life.

I will alter the address's on the other machines later today.
for now problem solved.
The issue was my lack of understanding that zeroconfig did not return
real world address, and the peculiarities of Mr Gates' weird offerings.
I can see a need for a DNS server, and will pursue that path over the
next month or so.
Any recommendations for where to look for the basic knowledge would be
appreciated.

many thanks gentlemen

regards Chris Thomas
On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 16:36 -0500, Nick Rout wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:05 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thank you Nick for your patience.
 
  No I have always up to now only used IP addresses
  All machines are on the same subnet
  169.254 etc




Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread chris
Thank you Nick,
Yes I have ping working, and have changed the IP numbers as you
suggested.

Our emails have crossed

Thank you for you tolerance, help and patience
Regards Chris Thomas

On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 17:46 -0500, Nick Rout wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  many thanks to all for you kindness and help.
  I have samba installed, but only with default settings as I wouldn't
  know where to start.
  disk sharing is enabled with with the common partition on all machines.
 
  could you point me to where I would look for information on installing a
  simple dns server on my main machine?
 
  I will alter the ip numbers as you and Nick have suggested and have a
  play later to see what happens.
 
 get it to the point where ping works before futzing around with other 
 services.
 
 if basic networking isn't working then there is no point in the other services



Re: ubuntu 8.04

2008-11-22 Thread Eliot Blennerhassett
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 169.254. etc is not a real IP address. It is one allocated by zeroconf
 or similar when you cannot get a real world ip address. Set them to
 192.168.1.x

If all these machines are running zeroconf, and there is no DHCP
server active, then they will probably already have given themselves
link-local addresses and names.

As Nick says, the IP addresses will be something like 169.154.x.y

Whether you use DHCP, static addressing, or zeroconf, the machines
should be reachable by name where the names will be hostname.local
E.g. machine1.local  laptop.local etc.  No DNS server should be
required.

regards

Eliot