Re: Rute Manual
On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:35, C Falconer wrote: Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) Thanks for your offer which I will decline with grace mainly because: 1) I can't read the small print of your 2-up print format very well, now that the eyes are not in the flush of youth anymore; 2) Personally, I find that while the strictly legal interpretation of the word initiate may allow commissioned printing, my personal feelings are that the author has put an enormous amount of effort into writing the tome, and he should be rewarded for those efforts. It's by far the best out there as far as I can tell. At $86nz the cost of the printed book is actually quite reasonable especially when compared with some of the hugely expensive but semi-literate and delightfully information-free works which are dumped on the market by sharp operators in the publishing business. What may be legal is not always the right thing to do from a moral standpoint. On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Rute Manual
Fair enough - I prefer to consult it on screen personally. On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 00:25, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:35, C Falconer wrote: Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) Thanks for your offer which I will decline with grace mainly because: 1) I can't read the small print of your 2-up print format very well, now that the eyes are not in the flush of youth anymore; 2) Personally, I find that while the strictly legal interpretation of the word initiate may allow commissioned printing, my personal feelings are that the author has put an enormous amount of effort into writing the tome, and he should be rewarded for those efforts. It's by far the best out there as far as I can tell. At $86nz the cost of the printed book is actually quite reasonable especially when compared with some of the hugely expensive but semi-literate and delightfully information-free works which are dumped on the market by sharp operators in the publishing business. What may be legal is not always the right thing to do from a moral standpoint. On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Rute Manual
Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. tim http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~tnw13 Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Re: Rute Manual
Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Rute Manual
Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) People this is the same as the one I gave away at the last meeting. -- Nick Rout Barrister Solicitor Christchurch, NZ Ph +64 3 3798966 Fax + 64 3 3798853 http://www.rout.co.nz
Re: Rute Manual
I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. I guess it would depend on the pre-reqs for the course. Are these folks new to computers or just new to linux. On this list we have the likes of Peter C, who, while new to linux, has been using computers since Mr Babbage's analytical engine :-)
Re: Rute Manual
While on the subject of printing rute manuals. It was sugested to me at the last meeting that we should take Craig up on his offer and get one or two more manuals printed with the CLUG funds and have another one or two door prizes at the next and subsequent meeting/s? Any thoughts? NE On Tuesday 10 September 2002 12:35 pm, C Falconer wrote: Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Rute Manual
Hi Nick Great idea.. but i don't thing its legal? But i might be wrong... Mahesh While on the subject of printing rute manuals. It was sugested to me at the last meeting that we should take Craig up on his offer and get one or two more manuals printed with the CLUG funds and have another one or two door prizes at the next and subsequent meeting/s? Any thoughts? NE On Tuesday 10 September 2002 12:35 pm, C Falconer wrote: Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell = For Linux CD's check out http://www.xsolutions.co.nz/linux http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send receive IMs on your mobile via SMS
Rute manual at meeting tonight
I will have my published version imported via Amazon and a locally printed bound version tonight for people to take a look at and compare. I'll let you know prices at the same time. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rute manual at meeting tonight
I will have my published version imported via Amazon and a locally printed bound version tonight for people to take a look at and compare. I'll let you know prices at the same time. Ha ha I just found this on Paul Sheer's page You can find out what book a person needs by asking the question, Do you want to be a Muggle or a Wizard? (1) If they answer Wizard, then you give them Rute. (2) If they answer Muggle, then you give them Linux for Dummies. (3) If they answer What's a Muggle?, then you give them Harry Potter. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Installfest] Re: Tin of worms/was Printing the Rute manual
I'm a newbie! and still have trouble with the Linux installation, where I still can't read my other hard drive partitions after weeks of corresponding with this newsgroup. Anyone wouldn't mind performing a site visit to help me set it up? I live close to the Cant. Uni. I envisage the setup should not take too long, unless a re-installation is required. Email me and we can set up a time. Cheers, Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in Addington but with reasonable notice I will visit most anyone on site in ChCh if I can help. Regards, Jason Greenwood 021-184-3160 03-338-3805 Chris Hellyar wrote: I'm just looking for suburb :-). That way the emails will get spread around a bit. Leo has(is) collating the email addresses etc from the yellow forms, and I was hoping we (The royal) would be able to do a brief mailout this week sometime with contact emails for clug folks prepared (initially) to answer emails etc, for folks not comfortable with the mailing list concept. If the person the email is in their vague area then if a visit is required it's not a major hassle for the newbie/cluger.. Obviously all of this is at the clugers discretion, I don't want to have anyone think we're drumming them into service, so to speak. Cheers, Chris H. - Original Message - From: Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zane Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Installfest Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Installfest] Re: Tin of worms/was Printing the Rute manual I think / hope I have sorted out Peter Cornelius' immediate problems by e-mail. I can take the odd 'phone call too, I have a couple or three friends who do that already, so I suppose another won't make that much difference. If the exercise were to get onerous, I'd want to review the arrangements. Number's correct in the 'Phone book. -- Christopher Sawtell. Zane Gilmore wrote: I don't mind giving a hand. Taking phone calls in the evening might be a problem. (I have a young family which makes it difficult) However I can answer emails and make calls a little more easily. Maybe take the odd call here at work (not too many though) I could even do the odd visit or similar. I certainly don't think we should leave people in the lurch with their Linux installs. On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 22:15, Chris Hellyar wrote: NOTE: this is on the installfest list... (just to avoid the crosspost :-). Do we have any other members on the northern side of town who can help Peter? He's out in Rangiora. I've offered to print him a copy of Rute if he's interested in coming out and standing in front of the printer watching it. I also offered to fix up his printer, but then found out he's 1 hours drive from here... (yes, I know, copyright, GPL, Blah blah) Someone should offer to set up his printer for him if we've got a capable member in Rangiora or at least closer than me :-). - Original Message - From: Peter Cornelius What a tin of worms I've opened up. All I wanted was some documentation which would tell me, amongst other things, how to unzip, install a printer and print a manual for myself. But since I don't have such a manual I was ___ Installfest mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxnut.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/installfest ___ Installfest mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxnut.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/installfest ___ Installfest mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxnut.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/installfest
Re: [Installfest] Re: Tin of worms/was Printing the Rute manual
Hansen Loke wrote: I'm a newbie! and still have trouble with the Linux installation, where I still can't read my other hard drive partitions To examin the set-up of your partitions you use the fdisk utility in list mode. Be sure to append the -l to the fdisk command, or you will have fdisk in partition table edit mode. You DON'T want that!!! Here is the fdisk command in list mode and its output on my machine: [chris@berty chris]$ su Password: [root@berty chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l Disk /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1099 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 * 1 2 16033+ 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 3 1099 8811652+ 5 Extended /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 327 200781 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part62855 224878+ 82 Linux swap /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part756 758 5646816 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 759 947 1518111 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9 948 1099 1220908+ 83 Linux Disk /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 1002 cylinders Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 1 1002 1026032 83 Linux Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 15 heads, 63 sectors, 8960 cylinders Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 1 8960 4233568+ 83 Linux Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/disc: 15 heads, 63 sectors, 8960 cylinders Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 * 1 8960 4233568+ 83 Linux [root@berty chris]# What happens on your machine if you do that? You will then have to mount the partitions to which you wish to have access. Once again here is the mount command and its output on my machine: [root@berty chris]# mount /dev/sda5 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) devfs on /dev type devfs (rw) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/sda8 on /home type ext3 (rw) /dev/sda7 on /usr type ext3 (rw) /dev/sda9 on /var type ext3 (rw) /dev/sdb1 on /home2 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda1 on /mnt/disk1 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/disk2 type ext2 (rw) [root@berty chris]# As you can see from the above mount list I have two disks which are not in the normal run of things, namely: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/disk1 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/disk2 type ext2 (rw) In order to do this I created two new directories in the /mnt directory:- # mkdir /mnt/disk1 # mkdir /mnt/disk2 and then mounted the disks. # mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk1 # mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt/disk2 the '-t ext2' tells the mount command that it is to mount an ext2 type of linux file-system, you will need to substitute the correct flag for the types of file-systems you wish to mount. you should have access to the file-systems now. See:- [root@berty chris]# exit exit [chris@berty chris]$ ls /mnt/disk1/isos/ debian/ Mandrake/ OpenOffice/ slackware/ VALinux/ gentoo/ Mandrake82updated/ peanut/ smalltalk/ winlinux/ [chris@berty chris]$ You can get the whole story about these commands by using the man command:- $ man fdisk $ man mkdir $ man mount Clear as mud now? after weeks of corresponding with this newsgroup. For a plea for help from a mail list, or news group, to be effective you need to tell us the basic info about your machine and the distribution. This really is a big, big help, especially if we are trying to get something like a video or sound card to work. For generic stuff like the above it's not quite so important. Anyone wouldn't mind performing a site visit to help me set it up? One of the really useful features of unix and its offspring is that all this command line stuff can be done remotely over the Internet, or for that matter a direct connection via the phone. I installed and set up a database system for a fellow in California not so long ago doing it this way. I live close to the Cant. Uni. I envisage the setup should not take too long, All of 5 mins at the most I should think. unless a re-installation is required. Email me and we can set up a time. Please feel free to 'phone. Number's correct in the latest 'phone book. Here endeth the Lesson. :-) -- Christopher Sawtell.
Re: [Installfest] Re: Tin of worms/was Printing the Rute manual
Chris, I think we have been through all of this, but it probably helps that you have put it all in one place :-) Hansen, is your machine a laptop? if so ring me up and you can bring it into the office, maybe this evening. Otherwise I may be able to visit. work 3798966 Nick Hansen Loke wrote: I'm a newbie! and still have trouble with the Linux installation, where I still can't read my other hard drive partitions To examin the set-up of your partitions you use the fdisk utility in list mode. Be sure to append the -l to the fdisk command, or you will have fdisk in partition table edit mode. You DON'T want that!!! Here is the fdisk command in list mode and its output on my machine: [chris@berty chris]$ su Password: [root@berty chris]# /sbin/fdisk -l Disk /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1099 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 * 1 2 16033+ 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 3 1099 8811652+ 5 Extended /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 327 200781 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part62855 224878+ 82 Linux swap /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part756 758 5646816 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 759 947 1518111 83 Linux /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9 948 1099 1220908+ 83 Linux Disk /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 1002 cylinders Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 1 1002 1026032 83 Linux Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 15 heads, 63 sectors, 8960 cylinders Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 1 8960 4233568+ 83 Linux Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/disc: 15 heads, 63 sectors, 8960 cylinders Units = cylinders of 945 * 512 bytes Device BootStart End Blocks Id System /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 * 1 8960 4233568+ 83 Linux [root@berty chris]# What happens on your machine if you do that? You will then have to mount the partitions to which you wish to have access. Once again here is the mount command and its output on my machine: [root@berty chris]# mount /dev/sda5 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) devfs on /dev type devfs (rw) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620) none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) /dev/sda8 on /home type ext3 (rw) /dev/sda7 on /usr type ext3 (rw) /dev/sda9 on /var type ext3 (rw) /dev/sdb1 on /home2 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda1 on /mnt/disk1 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/disk2 type ext2 (rw) [root@berty chris]# As you can see from the above mount list I have two disks which are not in the normal run of things, namely: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/disk1 type ext2 (rw) /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/disk2 type ext2 (rw) In order to do this I created two new directories in the /mnt directory:- # mkdir /mnt/disk1 # mkdir /mnt/disk2 and then mounted the disks. # mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk1 # mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt/disk2 the '-t ext2' tells the mount command that it is to mount an ext2 type of linux file-system, you will need to substitute the correct flag for the types of file-systems you wish to mount. you should have access to the file-systems now. See:- [root@berty chris]# exit exit [chris@berty chris]$ ls /mnt/disk1/isos/ debian/ Mandrake/ OpenOffice/ slackware/ VALinux/ gentoo/ Mandrake82updated/ peanut/ smalltalk/ winlinux/ [chris@berty chris]$ You can get the whole story about these commands by using the man command:- $ man fdisk $ man mkdir $ man mount Clear as mud now? after weeks of corresponding with this newsgroup. For a plea for help from a mail list, or news group, to be effective you need to tell us the basic info about your machine and the distribution. This really is a big, big help, especially if we are trying to get something like a video or sound card to work. For generic stuff like the above it's not quite so important. Anyone wouldn't mind performing a site visit to help me set it up? One of the really useful features of unix and its offspring is that all this command line stuff can be done remotely over the Internet, or for that matter a direct connection via the phone. I installed and set up a database system for a fellow in
Re: Tin of worms/was Printing the Rute manual
Peter Cornelius wrote: What a tin of worms I've opened up. All I wanted was some documentation which would tell me, amongst other things, But you asked the question in a general way, not telling us exactly what you wanted to know. Therefore you got a general discussion about linux documentation. how to unzip, Linux has several major compressed file formats: 1) .zip - This is exactly the same as the windows zip files. unzip -l file.zip - list the contents unzip file.zip - extract unzip -h - help stuff 2) .gz - This is an enhanced compressed format which was created to get around the LZW patent and produces a better compression ratio gunzip file.gz - uncompress the file gunzip --help- help stuff 3) .bz2 - This is a superior compressor intended specifically for binary data as opposed to text files. It is about 20% - 25% better than gzip. bunzip2 file.bz2- uncompress the file bunzip2 --help - help stuff 4) .Z this is the original format created by the original unix compress utility. see gunzip, which is able to uncompress these files. There is also the tape archive format which is the one normally by unix and its lookalikes. Open a konsole by clicking of the picture of a black screen with a scollop shell on it. To list to contents of an archive type the commands below into the konsole you have just opened:- For files named: file.tgz; file.tar.Z; or file.tar.gz tar -tvzf file.tar.gz For files named: file.tar.bz2 or file.tbz2 tar -tvjf file.tbz2 for file.tar.gz or file.tgz tar -tvzf file.tar.gz to extract the file substitute x for t in the above lines install a printer Start the printtool from a konsole, then point and click in the fashion to which you are used. I'm very surprised this didn't happen as part of the install process. Any idea why? and print a manual for myself. Type the following into the konsole. wget http://rute.sourceforge.net/rute.pdf.bz2 bunzip2 rute.pdf.bz2 xpdf rute.pdf or gv rute.pdf Both of these utilities have viewing and printing facilities for pdf files in them. All these utilities are in the Mandrake distribution. to install or upgrade a utility from your RPMs rpm -Uvh file.rpm You can read more somewhat cryptic documentation using the man command:- For example the command:- man wget will tell you all about the wget command used to get files off the Internet. There is also the directory /usr/share/doc which is full of documentation about all the utilities installed on your computer. Lots of the utilities have comprehensive www pages in there, however some are rather lacking. the command:- find /usr/share/doc -name '*.html' will list out all the ones with web page documentation. As an exaple here is the URL for some very comprehensive doco about image printing:- file:///usr/share/doc/gimpprint-4.1.99/manual-html/gimpprint_toc.html and the rather cryptic README file for the bzip2 (un)compression utility. file:///usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.1/README All clear as mud now? But since I don't have such a manual I was simply hoping that someone could possibly print one off/photocopy for me - for my personal use, signed to that effect in blood if required. Meanwhile my newly installed Mandrake stands idle while you guys argue as to whether it would be legal for me to have such a book and whether a properly printed book looks nicer than a photocopied book; and my interest in Linux wanes by the hour. I'm not concerned as to whether the book is in PC print or printer's print as I only want to use it as a reference and not as a `nice to look at' on the bookshelf. The thickness is also immaterial as I should simply punch the pages and mount in a two/three ring binder which makes for easier reference than a bound book, anyway. Q.E.D. Peter.
Re: Printing the Rute manual
Before we jump into print with somebody elses words of wisdom, I think it might be a good idea to read the copying licence:- http://rute.sourceforge.net/copying.html The crucial paragraph reads:- 1. This work may not be reproduced in hard copy except for personal use. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy for training material, nor for commercial gain, nor for public or organisation-wide distribution. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy except where the intended reader of the hard copy initiates the process of converting the work to hard copy. Whilst I'd love to have a knock-off copy on account of the value for money, I'm not sure if my concience would allow it. Please think carefully about the ramifications of what is proposed. -- Christopher Sawtell. Nick Rout wrote: I made enquiries with the Digital Print Centre on Victoria street just now. Based on 660 pages printed 2 up on both sides (ie the pages end up A5 size) the cost to print and bind with spiral binding is roughly: printing: $40.50 binding : $5.40 trimming: 3.75 Total : $49.65 They would print onto a4 and then cut it in half and bind it. This is also contingent on there not being too much black on the pages. This price is for 1-4 copies, so if we got a lot done it would be less, but he was a bit vague about that. It could be worth getting an order together. This is cheaper then getting it from Amazon $30 US plus (say) $15 US postage, double it to NZ$ = $90. The cheapest large commercial offerings on linux are over $100 in Whitcoulls. Thoughts
Re: Printing the Rute manual
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Before we jump into print with somebody elses words of wisdom, I think it might be a good idea to read the copying licence:- http://rute.sourceforge.net/copying.html The crucial paragraph reads:- 1. This work may not be reproduced in hard copy except for personal use. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy for training material, nor for commercial gain, nor for public or organisation-wide distribution. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy except where the intended reader of the hard copy initiates the process of converting the work to hard copy. Whilst I'd love to have a knock-off copy on account of the value for money, I'm not sure if my concience would allow it. Here here. If it was not for this paragraph I would have been offering hard copies of it months ago. BTW, nobody has initiated a request for a hard copy from me. I load the tutorial (uncompressed) into xpdf and print off the sections I want. The html version is good for locating the parts I need. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz
Re: Printing the Rute manual
1. This work may not be reproduced in hard copy except for personal use. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy for training material, nor for commercial gain, nor for public or organisation-wide distribution. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy except where the intended reader of the hard copy initiates the process of converting the work to hard copy. By taking orders, in a round about way the intended reader is inititating the process of converting to hard copy. They're saying... hey you ... print me a copy. No real difference from saying hey print daemon, print me a copy. The protocol is just a little different, and requires human intervention for the spooling :) Sascha Beaumont
Printing the Rute manual
I made enquiries with the Digital Print Centre on Victoria street just now. Based on 660 pages printed 2 up on both sides (ie the pages end up A5 size) the cost to print and bind with spiral binding is roughly: printing: $40.50 binding : $5.40 trimming: 3.75 Total : $49.65 They would print onto a4 and then cut it in half and bind it. This is also contingent on there not being too much black on the pages. This price is for 1-4 copies, so if we got a lot done it would be less, but he was a bit vague about that. It could be worth getting an order together. This is cheaper then getting it from Amazon $30 US plus (say) $15 US postage, double it to NZ$ = $90. The cheapest large commercial offerings on linux are over $100 in Whitcoulls. Thoughts -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing the Rute manual
What sort of binding is that? At 330 leaves (is that the correct term?) thick which is nearly a ream (500), my experience with that plastic binding at that thickness is not very good. - Original Message - From: Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] I made enquiries with the Digital Print Centre on Victoria street just now. Based on 660 pages printed 2 up on both sides (ie the pages end up A5 size) the cost to print and bind with spiral binding is roughly: printing: $40.50 binding : $5.40 trimming: 3.75 Total : $49.65 They would print onto a4 and then cut it in half and bind it. This is also contingent on there not being too much black on the pages. This price is for 1-4 copies, so if we got a lot done it would be less, but he was a bit vague about that. It could be worth getting an order together. This is cheaper then getting it from Amazon $30 US plus (say) $15 US postage, double it to NZ$ = $90. The cheapest large commercial offerings on linux are over $100 in Whitcoulls. Thoughts -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
