Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-12 Thread Andy George

Derek Smithies wrote:


Hi,
 So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?

They are old so the hardware is borderline for reliability, so there is
not much point in putting lots of time in them to making them do big 
important jobs.
  An old computer as a fileserver - will work, but when it fails the 
blood pressure goes up (the kids want their videos to watch) and it is 
not good.
The WAF is poor - they don't seem to appreciate when their videos are 
not available


fileserver yes, maybe. Bit limited on ram, so is a bit slow.
firewall - yes, the throughtput is low cause ADSL is quite slow. But I 
only need 1 firewall and I have lots of the old computers.


On the old computers, the harddrive is often thefirst thing to go, so 
maybe a liveCD running some application is the way to go. Yes - but what?


As a book end - well, it is a bit big for this..

Hmm, - two computers + some planks of wood and we have a respectable 
shelf.. Just a bit big.


What about a really exotic use?
Some custom software, custom hardware, use the computer power supply 
and we could have a really high speed battery charger..

---Does anyone know of such a project ?---

Ahh.
 A teaching tool. Yes, - show kids how they work - pull it apart. 
Remove cover on the hard drive, and scratch the platter as it it 
attempts to start up. Makes a horrible sound, but the kids see that 
when the disk surface is scratched, the computer cannot even begin the 
boot process..


Install win98 on it, and run all the old games which are still 
available. Yes, but it is of questionable legality to install pirated 
win98 isos.


Comment??

Derek.

P.S. In fact, the most common use for old computers is to take up 
space in the garage.

 -- Derek Smithies Ph.D.
IndraNet Technologies Ltd.
ph +64 3 365 6485
Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/

The only thing IE should be used for is to download Fire Fox

Increase your popularity amongst your peers, by overemphasising an 
uncharacteristic surge of generosity, and donating said old computers to 
those less disturbed by the legality of installing a clearly illegal Dos 
6.22/Windows 3.11 and playing all the old classic games, which are 
likely just as illegal as the OS itself


Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-12 Thread bnewell


- Original Message - 
From: Andy George war...@paradise.net.nz

To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: uses for old computers



Hi,
 So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?

What I have done in the past is to install an older Linux on the machine and 
given it to somebody who doesn't own a computer.  Several years later, these 
same people have returned to help me solve my Linux problems.  These people 
got started with Ubuntu 4.10 on 32 Mb of ram and have never looked back.


Jerome B
Regd Linux User 386075




Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-12 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 12 May 2009 15:35:48 +1200 (NZST)
Derek Smithies de...@indranet.co.nz wrote:

 Hi,
   So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?

Counterstrike server!

-- 
Steve Holdoway st...@greengecko.co.nz
http://www.greengecko.co.nz


Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-12 Thread kerry
 On Tue, 12 May 2009 15:35:48 +1200 (NZST)
 Derek Smithies de...@indranet.co.nz wrote:

 Hi,
   So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?

 Counterstrike server!


People still play Counterstrike?

Kerry



Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-12 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:48 PM,  ke...@katipo.net.nz wrote:
   So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?
 Counterstrike server!
 People still play Counterstrike?

No, which is why an old computer makes a good Counterstrike server ... (*cough*)


uses for old computers

2009-05-11 Thread Derek Smithies

Hi,
 So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?

They are old so the hardware is borderline for reliability, so there is
not much point in putting lots of time in them to making them do big 
important jobs.
  An old computer as a fileserver - will work, but when it fails the blood 
pressure goes up (the kids want their videos to watch) and it is not good.
The WAF is poor - they don't seem to appreciate when their videos are not 
available


fileserver yes, maybe. Bit limited on ram, so is a bit slow.
firewall - yes, the throughtput is low cause ADSL is quite slow. But I 
only need 1 firewall and I have lots of the old computers.


On the old computers, the harddrive is often thefirst thing to go, so 
maybe a liveCD running some application is the way to go. Yes - but what?


As a book end - well, it is a bit big for this..

Hmm, - two computers + some planks of wood and we have a respectable 
shelf.. Just a bit big.


What about a really exotic use?
Some custom software, custom hardware, use the computer power supply and 
we could have a really high speed battery charger..

---Does anyone know of such a project ?---

Ahh.
 A teaching tool. Yes, - show kids how they work - pull it apart. Remove 
cover on the hard drive, and scratch the platter as it it attempts to 
start up. Makes a horrible sound, but the kids see that when the disk 
surface is scratched, the computer cannot even begin the boot process..


Install win98 on it, and run all the old games which are still available. 
Yes, but it is of questionable legality to install pirated win98 isos.


Comment??

Derek.

P.S. In fact, the most common use for old computers is to take up space in 
the garage.
 -- 
Derek Smithies Ph.D.

IndraNet Technologies Ltd.
ph +64 3 365 6485
Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/

The only thing IE should be used for is to download Fire Fox


RE: uses for old computers

2009-05-11 Thread Payne, Owen
The fans are useful in greenhouses etc for moving the air around if you
attach a solar panel. Door stops? 

-Original Message-
From: Derek Smithies [mailto:de...@indranet.co.nz] 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 3:36 pm
To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: uses for old computers

Hi,
  So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?

They are old so the hardware is borderline for reliability, so there
is not much point in putting lots of time in them to making them do big
important jobs.
   An old computer as a fileserver - will work, but when it fails the
blood pressure goes up (the kids want their videos to watch) and it is
not good.
The WAF is poor - they don't seem to appreciate when their videos are
not available

fileserver yes, maybe. Bit limited on ram, so is a bit slow.
firewall - yes, the throughtput is low cause ADSL is quite slow. But I
only need 1 firewall and I have lots of the old computers.

On the old computers, the harddrive is often thefirst thing to go, so
maybe a liveCD running some application is the way to go. Yes - but
what?

As a book end - well, it is a bit big for this..

Hmm, - two computers + some planks of wood and we have a respectable
shelf.. Just a bit big.

What about a really exotic use?
Some custom software, custom hardware, use the computer power supply and
we could have a really high speed battery charger..
---Does anyone know of such a project ?---

Ahh.
  A teaching tool. Yes, - show kids how they work - pull it apart.
Remove cover on the hard drive, and scratch the platter as it it
attempts to start up. Makes a horrible sound, but the kids see that when
the disk surface is scratched, the computer cannot even begin the boot
process..

Install win98 on it, and run all the old games which are still
available. 
Yes, but it is of questionable legality to install pirated win98 isos.

Comment??

Derek.

P.S. In fact, the most common use for old computers is to take up space
in the garage.
  --
Derek Smithies Ph.D.
IndraNet Technologies Ltd.
ph +64 3 365 6485
Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/

The only thing IE should be used for is to download Fire Fox

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Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-11 Thread Craig Falconer

Derek Smithies wrote, On 12/05/09 15:36:

So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?
They are old so the hardware is borderline for reliability, so there is
not much point in putting lots of time in them to making them do big 
important jobs.


Gut them for useful spares, dump them at molten media if they're too 
useless or faulty.


An old computer as a fileserver - will work, but when it fails the 
blood pressure goes up (the kids want their videos to watch) and it is 
not good.
The WAF is poor - they don't seem to appreciate when their videos are 
not available


fileserver yes, maybe. Bit limited on ram, so is a bit slow.
firewall - yes, the throughtput is low cause ADSL is quite slow. But I 
only need 1 firewall and I have lots of the old computers.


Do two firewalls with carp failover and heartbeat... there's another one 
used.


Hmm, - two computers + some planks of wood and we have a respectable 
shelf.. Just a bit big.


And surprisingly not that strong.


What about a really exotic use?
Some custom software, custom hardware, use the computer power supply and 
we could have a really high speed battery charger..

---Does anyone know of such a project ?---


ATX PSU as a bench power supply.
Dead hard drives as weights for gluing things in the garage.
Fans and decent heatsinks can be used on all sorts of things.

I once cut down an ATX case because the box needed no drives (firewall).


Comment??


Power - old stuff can do the job, but two old PCs will use roughly 
double the power of one new one, and handle less load.


P.S. In fact, the most common use for old computers is to take up space 
in the garage.


Be ruthless.

--
Craig Falconer



Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-11 Thread Brett Davidson

Derek Smithies wrote:

Hi,
 So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?

They are old so the hardware is borderline for reliability, so there is
not much point in putting lots of time in them to making them do big 
important jobs.
  An old computer as a fileserver - will work, but when it fails the 
blood pressure goes up (the kids want their videos to watch) and it is 
not good.
The WAF is poor - they don't seem to appreciate when their videos are 
not available


fileserver yes, maybe. Bit limited on ram, so is a bit slow.
firewall - yes, the throughtput is low cause ADSL is quite slow. But I 
only need 1 firewall and I have lots of the old computers.


On the old computers, the harddrive is often thefirst thing to go, so 
maybe a liveCD running some application is the way to go. Yes - but what?


As a book end - well, it is a bit big for this..

Hmm, - two computers + some planks of wood and we have a respectable 
shelf.. Just a bit big.


What about a really exotic use?
Some custom software, custom hardware, use the computer power supply 
and we could have a really high speed battery charger..

---Does anyone know of such a project ?---

Ahh.
 A teaching tool. Yes, - show kids how they work - pull it apart. 
Remove cover on the hard drive, and scratch the platter as it it 
attempts to start up. Makes a horrible sound, but the kids see that 
when the disk surface is scratched, the computer cannot even begin the 
boot process..


Install win98 on it, and run all the old games which are still 
available. Yes, but it is of questionable legality to install pirated 
win98 isos.


Comment??

Derek.

P.S. In fact, the most common use for old computers is to take up 
space in the garage.


Most old computers make excellent heaters. The older the better in this 
regard!

:-)



Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-11 Thread Derek Smithies

Hi,
 apparently, one can take four (or so) cpus out, glue them to the base of 
an alumunim plate. (pins away from the plate).


 connect the pins in series. So the pins on the left side of the chip are 
soldered together, and then to an electrical bus. Similarily for the right 
side.

 Apply power to the electrical bus. This will provide a hot plate.
 I suppose in the spit of this email, one should use an old power supply.

Derek.

Derek Smithies Ph.D.
IndraNet Technologies Ltd.
ph +64 3 365 6485
Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/

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Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-11 Thread Robert Fisher

Derek Smithies wrote:

Hi,
 So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?
When we had borders I found that they (the old computers) were godd to 
use as thin clients with LTSP.


Little cost and next to no extra admin.

Rob


Re: uses for old computers

2009-05-11 Thread Robert Fisher

Derek Smithies wrote:

Hi,
 So what do you do with the old computers that one tends to acquire?
Which also reminds me that I have an old PII which has 2 NIC's and a 
CDRom drive - it has IPCop installed - free to a good home.