Re: [ILUG-BOM] If you are Bill Gates ...
2007/1/12, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: collaboration is what i am talking about - that you guys collaborate with us the build up the bom wiki - you are talking splittism - that we divert some effort to your wiki. Dont forget that this wiki grows out of *this* mailing list and *this* community. Exactly. To grow your wiki please strengthen *your* mailing list and *your* community. My wiki is about all the commmunities be it bom, chennai, goa ... If you care to check I have been posting the wiki link to all the lists which I'm a part of. I don't see a yours and mine here. It is all about FOSS, that is why I'm active in Mumbai list even though I'm from Palakkad and based out of Bangalore. Cheers Praveen -- Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn. -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Dummy Guide to Contributing
Hi, There was a question raised in foss.in list, how do I start contributing to FOSS? Karunakar started a wiki page here http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/DummyGuideToContributing Contribute to it and make it a comprehensive guide Cheers Praveen PS: Please don't start yours and mine debate here, a wiki is by default by its contributors and this wiki is under GFDL -- Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn. -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Dummy Guide to Contributing
On 12-Jan-07, at 1:37 PM, പ്രവീണ്|Praveen wrote: PS: Please don't start yours and mine debate here, a wiki is by default by its contributors and this wiki is under GFDL and how will this PS prevent a debate - I still am of the opinion that mumbai list should concentrate on Mumbai wiki -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Dummy Guide to Contributing
2007/1/12, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: and how will this PS prevent a debate - I still am of the opinion that mumbai list should concentrate on Mumbai wiki That does not mean, mumbai list members should not contribute to any other wikis. Cheers Praveen -- Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn. -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to distribute. :) These are easily verifiable facts. You don't need to speculate out loud. It would have been less effort for you to read the short form of the GPL first. -- You are lost in the Swamps of Despair. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: If Kcalculate provides the code along with the software it's FOSS alright. Freedom to change code, need not be to distribute. Where did you learn that? -- I know not how I came into this, shall I call it a dying life or a living death? -- St. Augustine -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
Sometime Today, DB cobbled together some glyphs to say: The most FOSS friendly big Indian company I know of is Infosys at the monment. Like how much have they contributed? -- Joy is wealth and love is the legal tender of the soul. -- Robert G. Ingersoll -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
On 09-Jan-07, at 10:37 PM, Philip Tellis wrote: The most FOSS friendly big Indian company I know of is Infosys at the monment. Like how much have they contributed? nothing -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Offline Installation of Sun Java on Edubuntu Server
I require to install Sun Java on Edubuntu Server offline The problem is that I don't have Internet on the Linux Machine and so need to download the Sun Java for the Linux version and get the things and also need Postgresql and MySQL as the database for the same. I had gone to the java.sun.com and they have Java for Linux in form of Self Extracting format. I had also seen http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/libs/sun-java5-jre In that page I find that I should download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/sun-java5/sun-java5_1.5.0-08.orig.tar.gz which is about 88 MB which is too large for download as the Sun's site has only about 16 MB. I require the database also Postgresql and MySQL Can anyone give me appropriate pointers to me to install me in a ubuntu machine Can anyone help me Thanks in advance CSJakharia P.S. Please remember I can't use apt-get command as I have to download the packages from other machine and get those packages in the linux machine - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
On Friday 12 January 2007 14:39, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 09-Jan-07, at 10:37 PM, Philip Tellis wrote: The most FOSS friendly big Indian company I know of is Infosys at the monment. Like how much have they contributed? nothing Actually it's a lot worse. -- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
On 12-Jan-07, at 2:41 PM, jtd wrote: On 09-Jan-07, at 10:37 PM, Philip Tellis wrote: The most FOSS friendly big Indian company I know of is Infosys at the monment. Like how much have they contributed? nothing Actually it's a lot worse. you mean narayana murthy modelling for XP advertisements? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
On Friday 12 January 2007 15:07, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 12-Jan-07, at 2:41 PM, jtd wrote: On 09-Jan-07, at 10:37 PM, Philip Tellis wrote: The most FOSS friendly big Indian company I know of is Infosys at the monment. Like how much have they contributed? nothing Actually it's a lot worse. you mean narayana murthy modelling for XP advertisements? no. that would just catch him a virus or two. -- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
On 09/01/07 22:37 +0530, Philip Tellis wrote: Sometime Today, DB cobbled together some glyphs to say: The most FOSS friendly big Indian company I know of is Infosys at the monment. Like how much have they contributed? They have been pushing commits to NetBSD, according to Mahindra. Devdas Bhagat -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
On 12-Jan-07, at 3:42 PM, Devdas Bhagat wrote: Like how much have they contributed? They have been pushing commits to NetBSD, according to Mahindra. infosys? or infy lug? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] ODF, lockin and M$
http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/05/the_future_of_l.html -- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Offline Installation of Sun Java on Edubuntu Server
Chirag wrote: I require to install Sun Java on Edubuntu Server offline The problem is that I don't have Internet on the Linux Machine and so need to download the Sun Java for the Linux version and get the things and also need Postgresql and MySQL as the database for the same. You could use synaptec or adept in another machine to install java .deb packages and then copy them from the /var/cache/apt/archives/ folder in the source machine to the target machine's apt cache folder with the same path. In the source machine, just after the download is over and the screen shows installation start, you can hit 'cancel' to avoid unnecessary installation in the source machine. Then you can apt-get install without the net in the target machine. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Postal estamps with emails.
It was intended to be a Govt. initiative that would add legal weight to mails so that they don't get dropped or bounced, unless a particular email address is blocked for other reasons. It would also provide revenue to the postal dept. Inter-Govt. agreements at international levels can go a long way to solve this problem. Hmm... sounds spooky. Sorry if i'm being a little bit of a conspiracy nut here, but do we really want government(S) to control who can mail and who can't? If a goverment puts down a law that states only mails with this ``e-stamp or whatever can go through and others can't; and this legislation has to be obeyed by all the ISP's of the country - well we would have quite a mess then. Its the same old story, more regulation and over administration ultimately end up messing up the system and causing pain to the people and giving extreme power into the hands of a few. Not a good situation to be in. As technology grows better, its problems increase too. Today IMHO email has lost its importance in sending official or complaint mail. Why so :-) Many companies take email complaints seriously. Of course the customer may feel much better after shouting at someone in a call center rather than punching keys ;-) The influence of a paper letter is still hard to beat. Very true, a few nibbles and bits cannot compare to a personal touch. Also, where there is no infrastructure there is no other choice. Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:59:09 +0530, Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: If Kcalculate provides the code along with the software it's FOSS alright. Freedom to change code, need not be to distribute. Where did you learn that? I easily understand my right to read the code of the product am buying. I do not understand why this right extends to distribution? It's akin to piracy in a loose sense! Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:01:52 +0530, Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to distribute. :) These are easily verifiable facts. You don't need to speculate out loud. It would have been less effort for you to read the short form of the GPL first. Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. I dont like the idea of collectivism where everyone shares whatever they have made with everyone else. Sure it's your right if you want to, but don't disparage me if i dont want to. :). Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On 1/12/07, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. I dont like the idea of collectivism where everyone shares whatever they have made with everyone else. Sure it's your right if you want to, but don't disparage me if i dont want to. :). *sigh* Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://in.kde.org Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On Friday 12 January 2007 20:42, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:01:52 +0530, Philip Tellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime Today, SGN cobbled together some glyphs to say: AS i mentioned before, IF .. .. i was just wondering for a sec if FOSS said anything about not being able to distribute. :) These are easily verifiable facts. You don't need to speculate out loud. It would have been less effort for you to read the short form of the GPL first. Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. I dont like the idea of collectivism where everyone shares whatever they have made with everyone else. Sure it's your right if you want to, but don't disparage me if i dont want to. :). *Whistles* Awesome stuff sir! I bow to thee! The audacity to utter this wisdom on a GLUG list! So this is like I'll leach from you and that's it! I get my profit, everyone else can go to hell! What exactly are you doing on a 'G'LUG list? Mind the G. Actually, even that G doesn't matter. Because this email will get flamed on any LUG that's run by Linuxers (in this case GNU/Linuxers) for Linuxers. Elsie, prepare to meet thy god. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpNNEpDSuKum.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On 1/12/07, Sachin G Nambiar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. I dont like the idea of collectivism where everyone shares whatever they have made with everyone else. Sure it's your right if you want to, but don't disparage me if i dont want to. :). LOL! So nice of you and hats off to your attitude! Nobody says you shouldn't keep things to yourself and not share, but for such a great attitude FOSS is not your base and we are not your brethren. Here the rule is simple, you get the freedom if you are ready to give the same to others, same as in 100%. If not... just stay away! If you are not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy then why talk about it and the freedom what we all think as our life-breath. You are talking to a community which thrives for Freedom. Please don't insult our passion with such comments. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
So the brickbats roll in my turn to *sigh*. I have clarified my stand in another mail under the same head! I disagree on some points but i also agree on others .. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
LOL! So nice of you and hats off to your attitude! Nobody says you shouldn't keep things to yourself and not share, but for such a great attitude FOSS is not your base and we are not your brethren. Here the rule is simple, you get the freedom if you are ready to give the same to others, same as in 100%. If not... just stay away! If you are not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy then why talk about it and the freedom what we all think as our life-breath. You are talking to a community which thrives for Freedom. Please don't insult our passion with such comments. My apologies for ruffling feathers which i evidently have! We disagree on what freedom is here, my point i reiterate, i like the idea of opening up source to the end user because it's the end users right if he has paid for it. But it's also the givers right to restrict me from distributing it. If he says i can i will, but i wont hold a grudge against someone whom i have paid for his software if he does not want me to distribute. Simple! Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
If you are not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy then why talk about it and the freedom what we all think as our life-breath. You are talking to a community which thrives for Freedom. Please don't insult our passion with such comments. My intention was not to insult, just a disagreement thats all. We only differ on our thoughts as to what extent of freedom we are talking about. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Postal estamps with emails.
Vihan Pandey wrote: It was intended to be a Govt. initiative that would add legal weight to mails so that they don't get dropped or bounced, unless a particular email address is blocked for other reasons. It would also provide revenue to the postal dept. Inter-Govt. agreements at international levels can go a long way to solve this problem. If a goverment puts down a law that states only mails with this ``e-stamp or whatever can go through and others can't; and this legislation has to be obeyed by all the ISP's of the country - well we would have quite a mess then. That will not happen as we have gone beyond this stage. Email is too free and independent to be curbed like that. But a valid 'estamp' type technique could at least ensure that those mails are not dropped or bounced. Any other method to solve the problem of mail delivery failures? :) Regards, Rony. ___ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: My apologies for ruffling feathers which i evidently have! We disagree on what freedom is here, my point i reiterate, i like the idea of opening up source to the end user because it's the end users right if he has paid for it. But it's also the givers right to restrict me from distributing it. If he says i can i will, but i wont hold a grudge against someone whom i have paid for his software if he does not want me to distribute. Simple! You have to understand one thing. If you want to go the FOSS way, you can't be considering software as a *whole* product. Your point is valid considering the situation where you sell copies of your software and get money for each copy of them. But, whats in practice in FOSS arena is you give the software as 'free' but you charge for support and service. Its based on what kind of software you make that this model may suit you or not. if it suits you, you can follow this business model. If you want to sell the software, just keep selling it and make money, then you have to rather embrace proprietary model than FOSS model for your business. It very much depends upon what kind of software you make, where it is deployed, what are the alternatives and many more factors which determine how you can make *some* money with the above said business model. Its simple, if you can embrace our business model you stay in our pack. Else, you can use FOSS tools and make software which doesn't give the users the 'freedom to share and distribute', but you can not still call it FOSS software, because it has denied the important point of the 4 freedoms a Free software offers its user. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: My apologies for ruffling feathers which i evidently have! We disagree on what freedom is here, my point i reiterate, i like the idea of opening up source to the end user because it's the end users right if he has paid for it. But it's also the givers right to restrict me from distributing it. If he says i can i will, but i wont hold a grudge against someone whom i have paid for his software if he does not want me to distribute. Simple! You are confusing between open software that you publicly distribute/sell to many and customized software made for an individual company. FOS Software created and customized for a company is anyway private and will not be distributed to others. FOS Software sold/distributed openly is open for distribution ( of the code ) by all under the GPL. When you create software you are free to choose the license under which you want to distribute it according to your ideological beliefs. The FOSS ideology believes that since you use FOSS resources for creating your piece, you are duty bound to give back the changes you made *iff_you * distribute it to others. Please note that the FOSS ideology does not work out economically with retail software. FOSS earns big/mega bucks through support and customization. Others may correct me if I am wrong, but if a developer uses FOSS and modifies it for a customer/company, he is *not* bound to give out the code, even to that customer, unless is demanded under the agreement made between the 2 parties. But if he sells/distributes the modified code openly to anyone, he is bound to reveal the modifications made. Regards, Rony. ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Sqlite3 linking problem
Hi all, I have used sqlite3 database engine for my C appln . my C program (first.c )simply opens database , creates tables and closes database. I have confirmed the presence of sqlite3 librarries on my system at /usr/lib/ my compliation option is : gcc first.c -lsqlite3 and then i get a compln error as path to sqlite3 lib - could not read symbols :Invalid operation ld returned with exit status 1 Can any one help me to sort out this ? it will b of great help to me . Thanx . - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] There's a couse at MUM Univ. teaching GNU/Linux!
hello all of you i am abhishek. student of PGDIT University of Mumbai. we are glad to have nice faculty for teaching GNU/Linux like Dr.Nagarjuna G and Mr.Anurag Patel. i started enjoying linux because of them. using windows for now i want to build my carrer in GNU/Linux only. well i want 100 marks examination for Linux and not 50 marks. :-) we use ubuntu dapper 6.06 now a days in our labs. but at home i am using Debian Sarge 3.1 stable. Thanks You! -- Abhishek Amberkar वंदे मातरम्! Future is OPEN ! -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Please note that the FOSS ideology does not work out economically with retail software. FOSS earns big/mega bucks through support and customization. Yes i know and this was the only bone of contention. If i make a software and sell it to you and also give you the source. Mere pet pe laath mat maro ... :). Some people on some forum had contended that your software has to be freely distributable, or maybe i read them wrong. I understand that if the license allows it it's fine,but my contention is it's still free software even if it's not freely distributable, because i allow you (as a maker) to use it in anyway you wish to change it in anyway you wish and but don't give it away for free (as in beer) just because i allow you to do anything with it for your own use. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sqlite3 linking problem
On 1/12/07, neelam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used sqlite3 database engine for my C appln . my C program (first.c )simply opens database , creates tables and closes database. I have confirmed the presence of sqlite3 librarries on my system at /usr/lib/ my compliation option is : gcc first.c -lsqlite3 and then i get a compln error as path to sqlite3 lib - could not read symbols :Invalid operation ld returned with exit status 1 Check whether you get warnings saying that the sqlite3 functions are implicitly declared. If yes then you probably don't have libsqlite3-dev installed.Also, confirm whether you're using sqlite functions or sqlite3 functions. They're not interchangeable. Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] There's a couse at MUM Univ. teaching GNU/Linux!
now i want to build my carrer in GNU/Linux only. well i want 100 marks examination for Linux and not 50 marks. :-) I think the biggest mark you get in the long run will be when you learn enough in your chosen field to command your price. Be it Linux or windows or any field. just my HO :) Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband - SSH
On 1/12/07, Hozefa Motiwala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The triband connection also has a Live ip. my query is: 1.) I have opened the iptables for ssh port 22, on the linux box but still cannot get to thru from outside. Check if 22 is visible from outside with this site: http://www.canyouseeme.org/ You'll need your public IP for this. If not then use an alternate port for ssh that is not blocked. Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] C. E. Hariharan's hardware details for Linux based distro
Hello All, Seems as if, Mr. Eshwar's (hope spelled it correctly), hardware details were blocked. I, on his behalf, am posting his details. Intel's website recommends Mandriva 2007 to work out of the box. If someone near the easter suburbs of Mumbai (KanjurMarg, Thane, Bhandup), could help him out with a copy of Mandriva 2007, please do so. Alternatively, if you have tested any other distro with this hardware and would like to recommend that, please let the list (and him) know about it. Here's his hardware details. Intel Pentium D 2.80 Ghz(dual core) Intel D101GGC motherboard 80 GB samsung HDD 1.44 MB 3 and half inch FDD Combo drive(CDRW/DVD-R)(TSSTCorp CDW/DVD SH-M522C) Samsung monitor SyncMaster 594 MG Easy Internet kybd from logitech logitech scroll mouse(optical mouse) 2 buttons,1 wheel D-Link GLB502T router for MTNL broadband Psst... I think his earlier message (the one before the above was around 100 KB, and so I guess, bounced back) -- FSF-India Fellow Associate http://www.gnu.org.in __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Postal estamps with emails.
Sometime on Friday 12 January 2007 22:30, Rony said: That will not happen as we have gone beyond this stage. Email is too free and independent to be curbed like that. But a valid 'estamp' type technique could at least ensure that those mails are not dropped or bounced. Any other method to solve the problem of mail delivery failures? :) Someone has already suggested Yahoo DomainKeys which identifies legitimate mail servers. http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Its going through the IETF standardisation process and any email service provider can implement it. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On Friday 12 January 2007 23:29, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: I understand that if the license allows it it's fine,but my contention is it's still free software even if it's not freely distributable, because i allow you (as a maker) to use it in anyway you wish to change it in anyway you wish and but don't give it away for free (as in beer) just because i allow you to do anything with it for your own use. Quoting from Citizen Kane: You talk about the people as though you own them, as though they belong to you! Goodness! As long as I can remember, you've talked about giving the people their rights.. As if you can make them a present of liberty, as a reward for services rendered. Remember the working man? (...) You used to write an awful lot about the working man... It's turning into something called 'organised labour'. You're not gonna like that one little bit when you find out that your working man expects something as HIS right, not as your gift! When your precious underprivileged really get together... Oh boy! That's gonna add up to something bigger than your privileges and I don't know what you'll do! Does that tell you something about FOSS? Its power to the USER. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpoA8A4Un5YD.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [not really OT] Is there a TCS LUG?
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 22:37, Philip Tellis wrote: Sometime Today, DB cobbled together some glyphs to say: The most FOSS friendly big Indian company I know of is Infosys at the monment. Like how much have they contributed? Zero...nill...nothing...zilch... =P Doesn't Infy have only 1 product to its name? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Does that tell you something about FOSS? Its power to the USER. As long as it does not take power away from the maker. Sure ... more power to the user. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sqlite3 linking problem
On Friday 12 January 2007 17:30, neelam wrote: Hi all, I have used sqlite3 database engine for my C appln . my C program (first.c )simply opens database , creates tables and closes database. I have confirmed the presence of sqlite3 librarries on my system at /usr/lib/ my compliation option is : gcc first.c -lsqlite3 and then i get a compln error as path to sqlite3 lib - could not read symbols :Invalid operation ld returned with exit status 1 Can any one help me to sort out this ? it will b of great help to me . Thanx . 1. Compile like this: gcc first.c -lsqlite3 -Wall This will enable all warnings. Will help you find out what may be wrong. 2. You need to check if you have the dev libraries installed or not. To do this you need to check if sqlite-devel package is installed on your system. This is distribution specific. Incase of redhat or its derivatives I would just simple do: rpm -qa | grep devel | grep sql this will list all devel packages with sql in it =P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband - SSH
On Friday 12 January 2007 18:21, Hozefa Motiwala wrote: Hi ! I have a Linux box connected to MTNL triband by D-Link Dsl 502 router. The triband connection also has a Live ip. my query is: 1.) I have opened the iptables for ssh port 22, on the linux box but still cannot get to thru from outside. I have connected the router in bridge mode. Please suggest changes required in the router to enable SSH. Thanks You needn't have to do any configuration on the router if its in bridged mode. Are you sure that its working in the bridged mode and the public IP ( 59.83.xxx.xxx ) is getting assigned to your ethernet interface? ( ethX ) ? Check it out first. Next, you need to check out if ssh is listening on your ethernet interface or not. For that you'll need to check out sshd's config file. Sometimes with multiple interfaces, sshd listens only on a particular interface and thats where the problem begins. Also, you needn't use the bridged mode for opening up ssh service to the outside world. You could use portforwarding ( or in some cases virtual server ) to make the sshd available over the internet.. BTW which distro are you using? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On 12-Jan-07, at 10:05 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: So the brickbats roll in my turn to *sigh*. I have clarified my stand in another mail under the same head! I disagree on some points but i also agree on others .. you agree on all the points where you can profit from OSS, and disagree on all the points where you can profit by refuting FOSS - win-win situation. Win? word sounds familiar ... -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On 12-Jan-07, at 8:37 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Where did you learn that? I easily understand my right to read the code of the product am buying. I do not understand why this right extends to distribution? It's akin to piracy in a loose sense! what is piracy? stealing of software? how can you steal software? can you steal air that you breathe? is software property? If i have a dosai and give you my dosai, now you have a dosai and i dont. If i have source code and give it to you, we both have source code. Frankly I fail to see what you are doing in this list without the faintest understanding - or attempt to understand the concept of FOSS or OSS. We have given you sufficient references which you cant be bothered reading. I suggest you at least look up wikipedia for the terms FOSS and OSS if you cant be bothered reading the original sources. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On 12-Jan-07, at 8:42 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Am not a subscriber to FOSS philosophy in whole. I like some parts, but not others. you have not even understood the FOSS philosophy -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
what is piracy? stealing of software? how can you steal software? can you steal air that you breathe? is software property? If i have a dosai and give you my dosai, now you have a dosai and i dont. If i have source code and give it to you, we both have source code. Frankly I fail to see what you are doing in this list without the faintest understanding - or attempt to understand the concept of FOSS or OSS. We have given you sufficient references which you cant be bothered reading. I suggest you at least look up wikipedia for the terms FOSS and OSS if you cant be bothered reading the original sources. Actually i have been through the original sources. i suggest you read my other mail which i think clarifies the point. Sachin G. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:06:16 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12-Jan-07, at 10:05 PM, Sachin G Nambiar wrote: So the brickbats roll in my turn to *sigh*. I have clarified my stand in another mail under the same head! I disagree on some points but i also agree on others .. you agree on all the points where you can profit from OSS, and disagree on all the points where you can profit by refuting FOSS - win-win situation. Win? word sounds familiar ... hmm ... -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
On 12-Jan-07, at 11:02 PM, Rony wrote: You are confusing between open software that you publicly distribute/sell to many and customized software made for an individual company. FOS Software created and customized for a company is anyway private and will not be distributed to others. wrong - there is no distinction - if it is FOSS, even distributing to one person constitutes a release and that person, and the rest of the world gets the rights under it FOS Software sold/distributed openly is open for distribution ( of the code ) by all under the GPL. are you doing this deliberately? Even Stallman himself does not say that only software under GPL is FOSS. There are a large number of licenses to choose from - and all FOSS licenses. GPL is only one of the many When you create software you are free to choose the license under which you want to distribute it according to your ideological beliefs. nothing to do with ideology - it all depends on your business model. Idealogues preach, they dont create software The FOSS ideology believes that since you use FOSS resources for creating your piece, you are duty bound to give back the changes you made *iff_you * distribute it to others. Please note that the FOSS ideology does not work out economically with retail software. idealogy and business dont mix. But the FOSS business model works out economically even with retail and customised software - especially customised software FOSS earns big/mega bucks through support and customization. also true Others may correct me if I am wrong, but if a developer uses FOSS and modifies it for a customer/company, he is *not* bound to give out the code, even to that customer, unless is demanded under the agreement made between the 2 parties. you are wrong - he is bound to give the code - there is no distinction between public sale and private sale But if he sells/distributes the modified code openly to anyone, he is bound to reveal the modifications made. true -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: I understand that if the license allows it it's fine,but my contention is it's still free software even if it's not freely distributable, Once you prevent the 'freedom to freely distribute', the existence of the software as free software ends. because i allow you (as a maker) to use it in anyway you wish to change it in anyway you wish and but don't give it away for free (as in beer) just because i allow you to do anything with it for your own use. 'Free' in free software doesn't mind about whether a person gives it free of charge or gets some cents, it speaks about the freedom associated with a software. Especially the following freedoms, 1. Freedom to use the software wherever you want, how many hardwares you want and how ever you want. 2. Freedom to study and modify the source code of the software. 3. Freedom to copy and distribute the software. 4. Freedom to distribute the modified software. When you kill any of these freedoms, you can not call it as Free(dom) Software then. In FOSS world, you can't let alone survive by selling one software as in proprietary world, rather you have to provide support and service to make 'some' money. If your software is so good and critical to a user, he most probably wont give it to others and loose some lead in the competition. Even if he does give to a few, its your software being used by more people and thats an advantage to you. -- With Regards Parthan (TechnoFreak) . A Proud GNU/Linux User and Ubuntero .0. ..0 [Web] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Parthan 000 [Blog]http://technofreakatchennai.wordpress.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Science, Education and Learning in Freedom, and gnowledge portal launch
Conference Announcement A one day conference on Science, Education and Learning in Freedom (SELF) is being organized by Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR on 2nd February 2007, at Homi Bhabha Auditorium, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Colaba, Mumbai, India. At this conference distinguished speakers from around the world will talk about free software, free knowledge and open standards, specifically in the context of science and education. On the same occasion, a multilingual community portal (gnowledge.org) of free knowledge for education, developed by the computer laboratory of HBCSE, TIFR will also be launched. A snapshop version of the portal will be distributed on a DVD at the conferencee, which includes offline content of wikipedia.org. The conference will take place from 9am till 6pm, and will have four main sessions. * Inauguration and Launching of the community portal: http://gnowledge.org * Introduction to SELF: Science, Education and Learning in Freedom European Commission Project, http://selfproject.eu * CopyLeft in Science, Education and Culture * Protecting Knowledge: Open Standards and Copyleft The conference is open for registration. Please read the full announcement, list of speakers, schedule, venue, registration details etc. at http://self.gnowledge.org/. Please circulate this information to your friends, put it up on your notice boards. Thanks -- SELF Conference Team Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education Tata Institute of Fundamental Research -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Science, Education and Learning in Freedom, and gnowledge portal launch
On 13-Jan-07, at 11:38 AM, Nagarjuna G. wrote: etc. at http://self.gnowledge.org/. site not loading -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Science, Education and Learning in Freedom, and gnowledge portal launch
On 1/12/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13-Jan-07, at 11:38 AM, Nagarjuna G. wrote: etc. at http://self.gnowledge.org/. site not loading I just registered myself successfully without any problems. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Opensource for a Small Manufacturing unit
Sachin G Nambiar wrote: Please note that the FOSS ideology does not work out economically with retail software. FOSS earns big/mega bucks through support and customization. Yes i know and this was the only bone of contention. If i make a software and sell it to you and also give you the source. Mere pet pe laath mat maro ... :). Some people on some forum had contended that your software has to be freely distributable, or maybe i read them wrong. If you release your software under GPL, its free to use, modify, redistribute the modification...subject to you giving out the changes you made. Otherwise you should not release your software under GPL. Use a license that suits your requirement. I understand that if the license allows it it's fine,but my contention is it's still free software even if it's not freely distributable, because i allow you (as a maker) to use it in anyway you wish to change it in anyway you wish and but don't give it away for free (as in beer) just because i allow you to do anything with it for your own use. It will be 'open source' but not 'free'. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
