Re: [IFWP] RE: Forming a NCDNC

1999-03-13 Thread Michael Sondow
Martin B. Schwimmer a écrit: How will not-for-profit entities such as trade associations, marketing boards, research consortiums, which exist at the behest of commercial entities, be treated? The DNSO Formation Concepts of March 4 give constituency five as "Non-commercial domain name

[IFWP] kmm031 opinions stories about ICANN

1999-03-13 Thread Kerry Miller
William, What do such domains do to reduce confusion; that is, to enhance domain namespace (or the net in general) for communication? Zilch. I Fail to see why they should HAVE to ensure that registrants in per were really individuals. The registry is in the business of

Re: [IFWP] Re: PSO Formation

1999-03-13 Thread Dave Crocker
At 01:24 AM 3/13/99 +, Karl Auerbach wrote: I assert that once people understand the issues that there is no concensus. Ahh, so the existence of consensus means that people don't really understand the issues? If the IETF Poisson work is so terrible, then pursue an alternative proposal.

[IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread Ellen Rony
Gordon Cook wrote: Regarding his [Dave Farber's} point 2 and the grey ribbons I was able to double check with one of my sources who clearly reiterated that he saw no one wearing a grey ribbon or handing them out. I wasn't there, but Prof. Farber initiated contact with me to express him some

[IFWP] The People verses the IETF/ISOC/ICANN/ETC Elite

1999-03-13 Thread Bob Allisat
Ronda Hauben writes: + The issue of ICANN is not only *timely* but crucial + to the existence and development of the Internet, + and thus also to the existence and continued development + of the IETF. + + Those on the ICANN interim board have been chosen because + they have a conflict of

[IFWP] Berkman Centre: the CORE of corruption

1999-03-13 Thread Bob Allisat
Craig Simon wrote: = Regardless of my own desire for more openness in ICANN's processes, I = think he and others at the Berkman Center have behaved in an honest and = forthright manner, trying to include as many people in the discussions = as possible. I've listened to the Real Audio feed from

Re: [IFWP] [Fwd: Yet another one]

1999-03-13 Thread Bill Lovell
At 12:26 AM 3/13/99 -0800, you wrote: Dan Steinberg wrote: More evidence of reverse domain name hijacking: http://www.internetnews.com/rumblings/0,1145,81,00.html Cyberpiracy comes in two forms. One, which WIPO focuses on, has the trademark owner as the victim of the predatory behavior of

Re: [IFWP] The ICANN Accreditation Policy: Dissimulation and Duplicity?

1999-03-13 Thread jeff Williams
Michael and all, Interesting points here Michael. Don't expect any honest or direct answers anytime soon Michael Sondow wrote: Mr. McLaughlin- You told me (and others?) in Singapore that the WIPO-inspired provisions of the Accreditation Guidelines prejudicial to domain name holders

[IFWP] The NSI SRS technical test team - what happened?

1999-03-13 Thread Ivan Pope
A question for ICANN. In the 11th Amendment to the Co-operative Agreement between the USG and NSI: 2.By December 1, 1998, NSI shall create a focused input technical advisory group consisting of not more than 10 individuals designated by NewCo to comment on the design of and participate in

[IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread jeff Williams
Dave and all, Dave Farber wrote: There are many cultures represented on the Interim Board . Many come from cultures that do not engage in open board meetings nor have legal requirements for public meetings to be open. If the purpose of openness is to insure visibility of the process then my

Re: [IFWP] [Fwd: Yet another one]

1999-03-13 Thread Mikki Barry
Ellen Rony wrote: Dan Steinberg wrote: More evidence of reverse domain name hijacking: http://www.internetnews.com/rumblings/0,1145,81,00.html Cyberpiracy comes in two forms. One, which WIPO focuses on, has the trademark owner as the victim of the predatory behavior of unaffiliated and bad

[IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread Dave Farber
When I said many cultures represented I DID NOT mean in a democratic fashion but in the context of an outlook on process. Europeans have a different perspective. At 09:12 AM 3/13/99 +, jeff Williams wrote: Dave and all, Dave Farber wrote: There are many cultures represented on the

Re: [IFWP] Re: Effective meetings, past and future

1999-03-13 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 01:28 AM 3/11/99 -0500, Jonathan Zittrain wrote: That said, I very much supported cutting you off at the microphone after you'd (to be sure, just in my and some others' view, clearly not yours!) abused the privilege to speak at it. I'd like to explain why. The archives are all online at

Re: [IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread Jay Fenello
One day, we will look back on these discussions, and realize that the closed nature of the decision making processes of the IAB, ISOC, and others were directly responsible for the mess we are currently in. I would hardly use it as a standard to emulate ;-) Respectfully, Jay Fenello

Re: [IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread Dave Farber
Dave, We disagree on this issue and most likely will continue to disagree. I believe the ICANN, the IAB etc meetings should be open. It is the best defense for all concerned against anti-trust, cartel etc accusations. I happen to like the US rules for federal committees. EFF, ISOC and others

Re: [IFWP] Re: opinions shortsightedness about ICANN

1999-03-13 Thread Greg Skinner
*sigh* I'll give it one more try ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kerry Miller) wrote: Thank you for the suggestion that I pay to become a member of a group which has 'interests in providing Internet education.' That's not what I meant. I suggested that you contact the individuals within ISOC

Re: [IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread Dave Crocker
At 01:26 PM 3/13/99 -0500, Jay Fenello wrote: One day, we will look back on these discussions, and realize that the closed nature of the decision making processes of the IAB, ISOC, and others were directly responsible for the mess we are currently

[IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread Greg Skinner
Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many cultures represented on the Interim Board . Many come from cultures that do not engage in open board meetings nor have legal requirements for public meetings to be open. If the purpose of openness is to insure visibility of the process

Re: [IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread jeff Williams
Dave, Crock, and all, We agree completely. "The Crock" aka Doctor Spin as do some of the existing ICANN "Initial" and Interim Board, do not believe in openness as is required by the White Paper. In deed this is setting themselves up for some serious repercussions I am sure they do not wish

Re: [IFWP] Re: What ICANN doesn't want you to know - a well hidden web site

1999-03-13 Thread jeff Williams
Greg and all, Greg, openness has it's detriments, yours is not withstanding. However the benefits far outweigh the detriments. Greg Skinner wrote: Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many cultures represented on the Interim Board . Many come from cultures that do not engage

[IFWP] Re: The ICANN Accreditation Policy: Dissimulation and Duplicity?

1999-03-13 Thread Michael Sondow
Andrew McLaughlin wrote: I'm extremely disappointed that you would stoop to attack my integrity Not half so disappointed as I am to see that the draconian, WIPO-inspired, anti-registrant provisions of the Accreditation Guidelines have been reproduced, in a form still worse than before, in the