RE: [WSG] Smallest valid html document (was validator.w3.org broken?)

2007-02-02 Thread Geoff Pack
Rimantas wrote: That's not minimal document. This one is: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN title./titlep. Strictly speaking, the p is optional - you only need a title and some content The shortest document I could get to validate is: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//X//DTD

Re: [WSG] div out of alignment

2007-02-02 Thread al morris
The problem here is IE and floats. You can make the design more robust by adding a negative margin on the side column that's equal to its width. But you won't get a perfect solution using percentage widths on the side column, only when using ems or pixels. Have a look at the samples on this

Re: [WSG] Smallest valid html document (was validator.w3.org broken?)

2007-02-02 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
That's not minimal document. This one is: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN title./titlep. Strictly speaking, the p is optional - you only need a title and some content In this case dots are optional, p is not. What you say is true for Transitional DTD. The shortest page I

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Barney Carroll
Matthew Smith wrote: tolerate screen motion? (A bit off-topic, I know, but I believe that accessibility/standards doesn't stop at the content, but extends to software and OS.) Not liking fancy animations does not make you an accessibility advocate. Apparently everyone hates flash, but for

Re: [WSG] Smallest valid html document (was validator.w3.org broken?)

2007-02-02 Thread Barney Carroll
But is it accessible? Rimantas Liubertas wrote: That's not minimal document. This one is: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN title./titlep. Strictly speaking, the p is optional - you only need a title and some content In this case dots are optional, p is not. What you say is

RE: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Sunday John
Funny enough, website development depends on your site goal, target audience and client's want. If your site demands that you use a flash (if it's a major communication) then you have to use flash. Sunday John Web Developer www.isslng.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Barney Carroll
Milosz, those sites are incredibly flash-intensive. Without flash, they fail. With flash and a slow connection (or even processor), they run badly. I'm afraid any objective source would give those low marks for accessibility. But they are entirely based on style - there is no real substance

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Barney Carroll
Now that's what I'm talking about. When everything is available as raw XML and you've got XSLT, you're in flexible heaven. Rob O'Rourke wrote: Not necessarily, check out what Dan Cederholm wrote about his work on MTV.com [1], they have a fully flash site that runs from a server-side generated

RE: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Sunday John
Yea, I agree with your comment. Contents that is available through xml for flash improves performance. Also given the user a choice to switch to version of site is good idea to meet end users viewing experience. Like I said, all still boils down to the project goal, target audience and your

Re: [WSG] Smallest valid html document (was validator.w3.org broken?)

2007-02-02 Thread Dan Dorman
On 2/2/07, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But is it accessible? Oh, man, I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Okay, not really, but it really is funny. Dan *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Sunday John wrote: Yea, I agree with your comment. Contents that is available through xml for flash improves performance. Also given the user a choice to switch to version of site is good idea to meet end users viewing experience. Like I said, all still boils down to the project goal, target

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread miden
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 16:37 +, Rob O'Rourke wrote: True, I'm starting to realise that more and more now as the works piling up =$ Still, at least the world of corporate merchandise e-commerce is a little more accessible now =] Interesting letter on The Register WRT accessiblity:

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Mark Harris
miden wrote: Interesting letter on The Register WRT accessiblity: ...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website authors could show toward accessibility in the very beginning is so terribly absent. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/02/letters_0202/ And that's really

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/2/07, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: miden wrote: Interesting letter on The Register WRT accessiblity: ...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website authors could show toward accessibility in the very beginning is so terribly absent.

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Christian Montoya wrote: On 2/2/07, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: miden wrote: Interesting letter on The Register WRT accessiblity: ...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website authors could show toward accessibility in the very beginning is so terribly

[WSG] Targeting specific images with overflow:hidden

2007-02-02 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Hello All I've designed some templates for a blogging system about 6 months back, but neither I nor my client, anticipated non-breaking text strings or oversized images being uploaded into these non-liquid designs. Designs are typical two column floats (nav and main content area are

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread miden
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 17:01 -0500, Christian Montoya wrote: On 2/2/07, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: miden wrote: Interesting letter on The Register WRT accessiblity: ...it's very hard to see why the tiny amount of forethought website authors could show toward accessibility

Re: [WSG] Targeting specific images with overflow:hidden

2007-02-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cole Kuryakin wrote: [...] To see what's going on, please go here: http://www.x7m.us/_problems/index_problem.htm. Sure would appreciate any advise on how I can get overflow:hidden to target just the images on this site. You can target all images with 'max-width' in the good browsers, and

Re: [WSG] Targeting specific images with overflow:hidden

2007-02-02 Thread Paul Novitski
At 2/2/2007 05:44 PM, Cole Kuryakin wrote: What I want to do is target any img within the site img { ... overflow:hidden; } with overflow:hidden - but for some reason, it's not working. Overflow applies to the contents of a block, not to the block itself.

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility - my opinion ;)

2007-02-02 Thread Matthew Smith
A great example of Faust in practice: http://www.ivyhotel.com/ Bravo! I took a quick (and only quick) look in Lynx and got a meaningful site. I think that this could be a first. And also a last, as this example neatly takes away any excuse for a primarily Flash-based site to be