Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-05 Thread Lusercop
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:37:45PM +0100, Nigel Rantor wrote: You may all get your rocks ready for this one, I expect a stoning from the zealots. (and Lusercop because he can't resist a good stoning) :-) I don't tend to reply to buffy threads, not particularly agreeing with the apparent

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-05 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Twin Peaks winds me up. I remember being in school when it was on, and the kind of people who were into it suffered from two other co-morbidities: 1. They liked Marillion They liked Twin Peaks and Marillion? They clearly are people of

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-05 Thread Tim Sweetman
Curiously, the original article (http://www.reason.com/0308/cr.vp.why.shtml) explains some of why I'm uneasy about buffy: the extent to which it carries Standardized American Memes (good and bad). American tolerance/demand for Moral Closure seems to be very high, cf. all those films where the

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-05 Thread Robin Berjon
Tim Sweetman wrote: be about fifteen different recommendations, two of which would involve Befunge. By the same toucan, best TV series is not a sensible thing to Befunge the Vampire Slayer. That's the best TV series. Ever. -- Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Scientist, Expway

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-05 Thread Gareth Morris
T'was written... WTF do you mean, best TV series ever? Busty was great but what about the Avengers??? Gaz _ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-05 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:29:12AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Twin Peaks winds me up. I remember being in school when it was on, and the kind of people who were into it suffered from two other co-morbidities: 1. They liked Marillion

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-04 Thread Philip Newton
On 3 Sep 2003 at 17:28, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Twin Peaks winds me up. I remember being in school when it was on, and the kind of people who were into it suffered from two other co-morbidities: 1. They liked Marillion 2. They tried to understand R.E.M. lyrics I never watched it but I

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-04 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Nigel Rantor wrote: Hopefully Lynch hasn't completely given away the idea of coming back to TV... And Wild Palms was forgettable. Well, I saw it and now it is forgotten. I've seen it. I some point I was looking at the original comic books (never found them). It's true that the first

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-04 Thread Nigel Rantor
Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: I've seen it. I some point I was looking at the original comic books (never found them). It's true that the first episodes have some lynchean colour, (not mentioning the presence of Robert Loggia), but Lynch didn't participate in them, did he ? Before I saw it I just

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-04 Thread Phil Lanch
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 12:55:14PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Frankly, I think comparing those shows to buffy is misguided. It's sort of like trying to compare 8 1/2 to the Philadelphia Story. Ok, maybe not quite *that* extreme. well, i'd prefer to watch Hepburn Grant in _Bringing Up

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-04 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 06:44:02PM +0100, Phil Lanch wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 12:55:14PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: Frankly, I think comparing those shows to buffy is misguided. It's sort of like trying to compare 8 1/2 to the Philadelphia Story. Ok, maybe not quite *that*

Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
http://www.reason.com/0308/cr.vp.why.shtml -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Jason Clifford
On 3 Sep 2003, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: http://www.reason.com/0308/cr.vp.why.shtml Sorry for me this The mere existence of Buffy proves the declinists wrong about one thing: Hollywood commercialism can produce great art. Complex and evolving characters turns the whole article into shite.

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
At 08:38 -0700 9/3/03, Dave Cross wrote: Still - it was the best TV ever made ;) You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks? Ah, the ignorance of youth... ;-) Liz

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Steve Mynott
Dave Cross wrote: From: Jason Clifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/3/03 2:51:26 PM [ BtVS ] Still - it was the best TV ever made ;) You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks? Have you seen the last episode of The Prisoner and if so would you also consider that to be the

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Jason Clifford
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: Still - it was the best TV ever made ;) You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks? Ah, the ignorance of youth... ;-) I am not that young and I watched both The Prisoner and Twin Peaks. Neither is as good in my

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Paul Mison
On 03/09/2003 at 17:16 +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: Indeed BtVS is, at a rarely-precedented level, the work of one man. It's clear, when watching interviews of the scenarists or other members of the team, that Whedon had control over every aspect of the show. I know no other example of this

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Rafael == Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rafael Indeed BtVS is, at a rarely-precedented level, the work of one man. Rafael It's clear, when watching interviews of the scenarists or other members Rafael of the team, that Whedon had control over every aspect of the show. I Rafael

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Paul Mison wrote: Babylon 5 is an obvious counter-example, First time I encounter this title. I think it was never broadcast in France, at least not on a public channel. Or is it ancient ?

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Rafael Garcia-Suarez
Dave Cross wrote: You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks? While Twin Peaks was pretty good, (and I enjoyed the companion movie as well), I don't think it has the same level of achievement and homogeneity than Buffy and the Prisoner. It's more like a testbed for Lynch's

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
At 16:47 +0100 9/3/03, Steve Mynott wrote: Dave Cross wrote: Have you seen the last episode of The Prisoner and if so would you also consider that to be the best TV ever made? Or maybe some of the worse... A think a lot has been said and written about the last episode of The Prisoner. I'm

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Michel Rodriguez
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: Paul Mison wrote: Babylon 5 is an obvious counter-example, First time I encounter this title. I think it was never broadcast in France, at least not on a public channel. Or is it ancient ? It was on Canal + a few years ago. I don't think it

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Still - it was the best TV ever made ;) You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks? Ah, the ignorance of youth... ;-) I am not that young and I watched both The Prisoner and Twin Peaks. Neither is as good in my opinion. Twin Peaks winds me up. I remember

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Nigel Rantor
Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: Dave Cross wrote: You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks? While Twin Peaks was pretty good, (and I enjoyed the companion movie as well), I don't think it has the same level of achievement and homogeneity than Buffy and the Prisoner. It's more

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 12:55:14PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:28:34PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Anyway if we are ruling out comedies, then Northern Exposure was the best TV series ever made. Or Dr Who minus all the crap ones. What? Crap DW?? Never! Timelash.

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:28:34PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Still - it was the best TV ever made ;) You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks? Ah, the ignorance of youth... ;-) I am not that young and I watched both The Prisoner and Twin

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Nigel == Nigel Rantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nigel Buffy the TV series is a far too pale imitation of the movie to ever Nigel really make me watch it. Basically it just pisses me off. The plots Nigel and characters are, quite frankly, a bag of shite. I figure that since Nigel any Buffy

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Tony Bowden
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:16:58PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: It's clear, when watching interviews of the scenarists or other members of the team, that Whedon had control over every aspect of the show. I know no other example of this on TV, except McGoohan and the Prisoner. David E.

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Nigel Rantor
David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:37:45PM +0100, Nigel Rantor wrote: Buffy the TV series is a far too pale imitation of the movie to ever really make me watch it. You realize, of course, that the movie was completely changed from its original concept and that the tv series is much

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread Dave Cross
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 04:47:34PM +0100, Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dave Cross wrote: From: Jason Clifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/3/03 2:51:26 PM [ BtVS ] Still - it was the best TV ever made ;) You jest surely. Have you never seen The Prisoner or Twin Peaks?

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:58:18PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 12:55:14PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:28:34PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Anyway if we are ruling out comedies, then Northern Exposure was the best TV series ever

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 06:29:26PM +0100, Nigel Rantor wrote: David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 05:37:45PM +0100, Nigel Rantor wrote: Buffy the TV series is a far too pale imitation of the movie to ever really make me watch it. You realize, of course, that the movie was

Re: Ob-buffy

2003-09-03 Thread David Cantrell
Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: While Twin Peaks was pretty good, (and I enjoyed the companion movie as well), I don't think it has the same level of achievement and homogeneity than Buffy and the Prisoner. It's more like a testbed for Lynch's next movies. Hopefully Lynch hasn't completely given away