Re: [LUG] another cable coming
On Nov 19, 2007 5:02 PM, Hari Kurup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The SEACOM cable talked about will have a landing point in SA and east africa enroute to Italy via the red sea. If there are a majority of African investors and other restrictions! see story pasted below So we have this one: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1505911175;fp;16;fpid;1 FLAG's cable, TEAMS, and Uhurunet (formerly NEPAD Broadband Initiative, formerly EASSy) and SEACOM. Can't imagine they are all going to be built, it'll be two, I reckon, or maybe 3, but if 3, then 1 or 2 won't make enuf to service their debt. But to interconnect all the IXen in various countries, some will need to use VSATs still! From the East African, but I don't have the link, sorry: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:53 pm (PST) Africa: Baharicom Give Operators Only 45 Percent of Marine Cable The East African (Nairobi) 20 November 2007 Kezio-Musoke David Nairobi African telecom operators have been allocated only 45 per cent shareholding of the recently proposed Baharicom submarine cable, which will cover Africa. Thirty per cent shares will be allocated to Nepad while the remaining 25 per cent will go to international investors. Baharicom is the holding company for all shareholders of the $2 billion undersea cable. The submarine segment of the cable, which will connect the East African seaboard to international broadband traffic, has been renamed Uhurunet in recognition of the 50th anniversary of the beginning of sub-Saharan Africa's independence from colonial rule. The Uhurunet cable was formerly referred to as EASSy and later as the Nepad ICT Broadband Infrastructure Network for Eastern and Southern Africa (NBIN). The proposed share allocation of Baharicom comes after South African Minister for Communications Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri recently warned that no undersea cables will be allowed to land in South Africa and provide cheaper broadband unless they are majority owned by South African investors. Ms Matsepe-Casaburri said many so-called investors have announced that they will be landing their cables in South Africa, but will only be issued landing rights if their operations are majority owned by Africans or South Africans and if they prioritise African development. Whether Uhurunet will be allowed to dock in South Africa will now depend on the final guidelines that Ms Matsepe-Casaburri is compiling after the proposed allocation of shares. South African telecom operators Telkom, Neotel and MTN together own some 27 per cent of the proposed 50,000 km Uhurunet cable. Uhurunet was recently endorsed by ICT ministers from East and Southern African countries. It has an increased capacity to all destinations of 3.84 Terrabits per sec, of which 1.2 terrabits per sec will be available to the Nepad SPV, compared with the original 640 gigabits. According to Dr Edmund Katiti, policy and regulatory adviser of the Nepad e-Africa Commission, shareholders in Baharicom will benefit from economies of scale and thereby lower the unit cost of cable capacity, reducing the cost of communication to end users in Africa. Landing points will be provided for all coastal and island African countries in line with the Nepad priority objective of linking all African countries to one another by broadband infrastructure, and African traffic will be carried directly to all high traffic destinations. There have been various submarine cable initiatives around Africa, which planned to land in South Africa - the Nepad Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV), the Infraco cable, the Vodacom cable, Telkom, 5-P Holdings and Neotel with Seacom. South Africa's Department of Communications believes that South Africa's demands for Internet connectivity will be met by the proposed Nepad undersea cables, which will run east and west from South Africa to Europe and Asia. Nepad seems wary of a move by a majority of South African telecom operators, including Vodacom, Telkom and Neotel, to install their own high capacity submarine cables around Africa to connect directly to high traffic destination of the world. Dr Katiti said that, Such initiatives would duplicate and render the Nepad Network redundant. He added that the Nepad SPV will participate as the largest single shareholder in the submarine holding company. We have noted and recognised a policy statement by the South African government requiring South African or African majority shareholding in cables intending to land in South African shores, said Dr Katiti. Discussions are going on on the precise shareholding percentages. The Nepad e-Africa Commission had also urged member countries to expedite the ratification of the 2006 Kigali Protocol by last Thursday. Articles 12 and 13 of the protocol, which was signed by 12 countries, stipulates that national policies, legislation and regulations be harmonised with the protocol by March 2008. The Commission has asked countries to accede to the protocol before the end of December 2007. The
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
Also interesting is the expected effect on princing: The cable, according to Dr Ham Mukasa Mulira, Uganda's Minister for ICT, will boost broadband connectivity in sub-Saharan Africa and reduce international connectivity costs by two-thirds. That is about 60% more ambitious than SEACOM. 2 cables would indeed be wonderfull, some free market economics is barely needed here. (@ McTim, arent the MTNs/UTLs etc not laying inter-national fiber at the moment? Wouldnt that be in preparation of the sea-cables? Come to think of it, wouldnt a sea-cable connection not come to kampala through nairobi? (and to rwanda, through kampala?) On Monday 26 November 2007 12:12:54 McTim wrote: The cable, according to Dr Ham Mukasa Mulira, Uganda's Minister for ICT, will boost broadband connectivity in sub-Saharan Africa and reduce international connectivity costs by two-thirds. -- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 782 801 749 www.mountbatten.net ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
On Nov 26, 2007 12:29 PM, Reinier Battenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also interesting is the expected effect on princing: Well it depends on who is crunching the numbers. Kenyan gov't says the cost will be 500 USD per MN/s per month. UUNet KE says don't count on that. The cable, according to Dr Ham Mukasa Mulira, Uganda's Minister for ICT, will boost broadband connectivity in sub-Saharan Africa and reduce international connectivity costs by two-thirds. He got his numbers from someone else I think. That is about 60% more ambitious than SEACOM. 2 cables would indeed be wonderfull, some free market economics is barely needed here. (@ McTim, arent the MTNs/UTLs etc not laying inter-national fiber at the moment? Just to the border. IIRC, it's all done to KE, but not to Rwanda. Wouldnt that be in preparation of the sea-cables? yes Come to think of it, wouldnt a sea-cable connection not come to kampala through nairobi? yes (and to rwanda, through kampala?) MTN has fiber most of the way to Kigali, but not the whole way. -- Cheers, McTim $ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
McTim wrote: So we have this one: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1505911175;fp;16;fpid;1 This one is for connecting african governments for online education and tele-medicine, not for public internet. -- Hari ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
Reinier I think 20% less cost for us the clients is a good start. We have a big burden currently which if even revised by 5%, many of us would jump up in excitement. I am not worried bse when the other cables get completed, the drop will be for real. See what Warid and Hits Telecoms' entry is doing to the incumbents? Wire On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 11:29 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote: It seems cable projects are announced weekly these days. Here is one http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/220/597778 And now the math: The estimated cost of satellite bandwidth on a monthly lease ranges from $1,700 to $6,000 megabit/second per month. The SEACOM cable will be 20% cheaper than the current costs. Sorry only 20% cheaper??? This will be a success similar to the one on the west-coast, which is running at 10% of its potential. Real sad. ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
Yes, i agree that a decrease in prices would be very nice. The idea of these cables however seems to be to overcome the 'digital divide' According to some guy at lucent, Moore's law is also true for data per fiblre optic. Only not with a 18 months cycle, but a 9 months one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_Law#Formulations_of_Moore.27s_Law With the arrival of the cable in 18 months from now, the speed of bandwith should have Quadoubled (eh, times 4 in english), and the price cut by a factor 4. That is 400%. That is true in places where they have a marked working according to how Keynesian laws. Effectively here though, the difference with what is happening elsewhere is 380%. Negative. Meaning the digital divide has widened like Moses did with the Red Sea. Did you read YouTube will be starting broadcasting their movieclips in HDTV? What will they be doing in 18 months? On Monday 19 November 2007 12:24:06 Wire James wrote: Reinier I think 20% less cost for us the clients is a good start. We have a big burden currently which if even revised by 5%, many of us would jump up in excitement. I am not worried bse when the other cables get completed, the drop will be for real. See what Warid and Hits Telecoms' entry is doing to the incumbents? Wire On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 11:29 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote: It seems cable projects are announced weekly these days. Here is one http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/220/597778 And now the math: The estimated cost of satellite bandwidth on a monthly lease ranges from $1,700 to $6,000 megabit/second per month. The SEACOM cable will be 20% cheaper than the current costs. Sorry only 20% cheaper??? This will be a success similar to the one on the west-coast, which is running at 10% of its potential. Real sad. -- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 782 801 749 www.mountbatten.net ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
High definiton television. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdtv requiring more more more bandwith. On Monday 19 November 2007 15:02:41 Wire James wrote: what is HDTV ? Wire On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 12:56 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote: Yes, i agree that a decrease in prices would be very nice. The idea of these cables however seems to be to overcome the 'digital divide' According to some guy at lucent, Moore's law is also true for data per fiblre optic. Only not with a 18 months cycle, but a 9 months one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_Law#Formulations_of_Moore.27s_Law With the arrival of the cable in 18 months from now, the speed of bandwith should have Quadoubled (eh, times 4 in english), and the price cut by a factor 4. That is 400%. That is true in places where they have a marked working according to how Keynesian laws. Effectively here though, the difference with what is happening elsewhere is 380%. Negative. Meaning the digital divide has widened like Moses did with the Red Sea. Did you read YouTube will be starting broadcasting their movieclips in HDTV? What will they be doing in 18 months? On Monday 19 November 2007 12:24:06 Wire James wrote: Reinier I think 20% less cost for us the clients is a good start. We have a big burden currently which if even revised by 5%, many of us would jump up in excitement. I am not worried bse when the other cables get completed, the drop will be for real. See what Warid and Hits Telecoms' entry is doing to the incumbents? Wire On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 11:29 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote: It seems cable projects are announced weekly these days. Here is one http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/220/597778 And now the math: The estimated cost of satellite bandwidth on a monthly lease ranges from $1,700 to $6,000 megabit/second per month. The SEACOM cable will be 20% cheaper than the current costs. Sorry only 20% cheaper??? This will be a success similar to the one on the west-coast, which is running at 10% of its potential. Real sad. -- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 782 801 749 www.mountbatten.net ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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Wire James wrote thus on 11/19/07 4:02 PM: what is HDTV ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdtv eb smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
Reinier Battenberg wrote thus on 11/19/07 4:11 PM: High definiton television. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdtv requiring more more more bandwith. Since we are now talking about video and broadcasting, the term bandwidth needs to be correctly used :) yes, hdtv requires about 37MHz while PAL (what we use in UG) requires about 4MHz (but i'm sure you meant data rates - in which case, HDTV needs approx 1GB/s) eb smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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Too tempting: HDTV is so amazing my cat will sit and watch National Geographic for hours!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2glS2HyVyqo On Monday 19 November 2007 15:14:42 Ernest - (AfriNIC) wrote: Wire James wrote thus on 11/19/07 4:02 PM: what is HDTV ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdtv eb -- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 782 801 749 www.mountbatten.net ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
RE: [LUG] another cable coming
All very nice but anyone any idea what extra capacity is going to be put in SA to accommodate the extra traffic it will get from East Africa? Sa only has fiber going to the Seychelles and beyond and to the west of Africa ongoing to Europe. Rumors say it's already at its max in both directions. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reinier Battenberg Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:30 AM To: Linux Users Group Uganda Subject: [LUG] another cable coming It seems cable projects are announced weekly these days. Here is one http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/220/597778 And now the math: The estimated cost of satellite bandwidth on a monthly lease ranges from $1,700 to $6,000 megabit/second per month. The SEACOM cable will be 20% cheaper than the current costs. Sorry only 20% cheaper??? This will be a success similar to the one on the west-coast, which is running at 10% of its potential. Real sad. -- rgds, Reinier Battenberg Director Mountbatten Ltd. +256 782 801 749 www.mountbatten.net ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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Reinier Battenberg wrote: Too tempting: HDTV is so amazing my cat will sit and watch National Geographic for hours!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2glS2HyVyqo Cats give up the ability to see fine detail and rich colors in exchange for the ability to see in the dark. So HDTV may not impress beloved cat :-) -- Hari ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
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On Monday 19 November 2007 20:28, Ernest - (AfriNIC) wrote: yes, hdtv requires about 37MHz while PAL (what we use in UG) requires about 4MHz (but i'm sure you meant data rates - in which case, HDTV needs approx 1GB/s) Not quite. Depending on several factors (resolution, interlacing or progressive, number of channels being broadcast, encoding technique, modulation technique, e.t.c.), the general bit-rate for HDTV signals is between 19.3Mbps and 38.8Mbps; 19.3Mbps (well, 18Mbps for practical purposes) being the maximum for terrestrial broadcasts, while cable service providers can choose to push between 27.7Mbps to 38.8Mbps depending on the modulation technique. On a 6MHz cable slot using a 256 QAM modulation, cable service providers can transmit up to two 18Mbps channels. OTA (over-the-air) broadcasts could utilize up to 32Mbps as error-correction is included in the signal. Also, different service providers use different channels, e.g., cable service providers will use 6MHz, while DirecTv, for instance, would use 24MHz to 36MHz). Both would use different modulation techniques, as well. Some satellite service providers can offer as much as 27Mbps on a transponder. The thing to remember is that the more channels HDTV service providers cram into the package, the lower the bit-rate for each individual channel, and hence, the poorer the quality all-around. With HDTV, less is more... Cheers, Mark. pgpqpckWDCuCF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [LUG] another cable coming
The SEACOM cable talked about will have a landing point in SA and east africa enroute to Italy via the red sea. -- HAri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All very nice but anyone any idea what extra capacity is going to be put in SA to accommodate the extra traffic it will get from East Africa? Sa only has fiber going to the Seychelles and beyond and to the west of Africa ongoing to Europe. Rumors say it's already at its max in both directions. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reinier Battenberg Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:30 AM To: Linux Users Group Uganda Subject: [LUG] another cable coming It seems cable projects are announced weekly these days. Here is one http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/220/597778 And now the math: The estimated cost of satellite bandwidth on a monthly lease ranges from $1,700 to $6,000 megabit/second per month. The SEACOM cable will be 20% cheaper than the current costs. Sorry only 20% cheaper??? This will be a success similar to the one on the west-coast, which is running at 10% of its potential. Real sad. ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
RE: [LUG] another cable coming
Hari, Thanks for the info, sounds promesing if the cash is not going to run out as it did with the the cable ring round Africa that was supposed to be in the first place. Rob From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hari Kurup Sent: Mon 11/19/2007 5:02 PM To: Linux Users Group Uganda Subject: Re: [LUG] another cable coming The SEACOM cable talked about will have a landing point in SA and east africa enroute to Italy via the red sea. -- HAri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All very nice but anyone any idea what extra capacity is going to be put in SA to accommodate the extra traffic it will get from East Africa? Sa only has fiber going to the Seychelles and beyond and to the west of Africa ongoing to Europe. Rumors say it's already at its max in both directions. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reinier Battenberg Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:30 AM To: Linux Users Group Uganda Subject: [LUG] another cable coming It seems cable projects are announced weekly these days. Here is one http://newvision.co.ug/D/8/220/597778 And now the math: The estimated cost of satellite bandwidth on a monthly lease ranges from $1,700 to $6,000 megabit/second per month. The SEACOM cable will be 20% cheaper than the current costs. Sorry only 20% cheaper??? This will be a success similar to the one on the west-coast, which is running at 10% of its potential. Real sad. ___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. --- winmail.dat___ LUG mailing list LUG@linux.or.ug http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
