I seem to recall reading that Francesco played viola da gamba as well as
lute.
Gary
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From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Antonio Corona [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:38 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Francesco and the
Thanks Gary. The claim is that he played 'viol' - plucked or bowed was not
specified. See earlier comment by Antonio.
Rob
2008/6/5 gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I seem to recall reading that Francesco played viola da gamba as well as
lute.
Gary
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Hang on a minute! I never said that Dowland said that all strings were
coloured! He says some, meaning not all. My point was that as I read
his comments, it's not just bass strings which were sometimes coloured
but could be any string, including trebles. There might be all sorts of
reasons
Le 5 juin 08 =E0 02:31, damian dlugolecki a ecrit :
Anthony, Quite right, you weren't actually saying that the dyed
colors had anything to do with
loading. Dying a string is a fairly simple matter, that would not
require any complex chemistry
like that of dying leather. And if I'm
Martin
That message (below) was not from me, but from Damian (as you will
see if you read the mail address, that is dyed green to let us know
its position in the message hierarchy. All I said was, the fact
string makers were playing about with dye could have increased the
likelihood that
I don't have a 6c and have never read Francesco's works on such an
instrument, but I would like to know from the collective experience here at
what length of string does it become very difficult to play his works? The
lute in the portrait of him playing (if it is indeed him) seems to have
quite a
Dear Rob,
This is a very subjective question. Many people say they can't possibly
play any of this music on a string length of more than 58cm, and that
may be true for them - but I doubt it. Issues of technique and habit
feature strongly.
I'm sure someone will come up with a FdaM piece
Anyone have information on Giorgy Lorinczi, lute builder in Romania. He is
offering me a 5 course medieval lute at 1000 Euros.
Quelqu'un a des renseignements sur le luthier Girgy Lorinczi? il m'offre un
lute médiéval à 1000 Euros.
thx
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Luthiste, etc
Estavel
Anthony, Are you suggesting that dyeing gut strings would somehow change their
mass?
I do not think that you can change the specific weight of gut by any chemical
means.
DD
Unless I am mistaken in my interpretation, it does seem that this loading of
leather with oxides was a sub-part of
From: Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Novelties
|I sent the information about the new Milan facsimile to OMI, and
| they will probably stock it. I have not yet heard back from
| them.
Thanks Jerry. I was using you complete Sanz edition this very afternoon with
a classical guitar student. An excellent edition, in my opinion.
Rob
2008/6/5 Jerry Willard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thanks Rob that really helps because it's in the states (easier for me)
I really enjoyed your B guitar
Damian,
No I think that what they called a dyeing process may have been a
form of loading, or a charging, process: incorporating oxides,
probably does load the material, even if the person dyeing the
leather does not think of it in that way, his intention may just be
to colour the
How do people make their (medieval) plectra? I have chopped up and sanded
down some turkey feathers, different techniques, different
thickness/stiffnes, but I'm only half convinced of the sound.
Advice much appreciated.
David - To be honest, I still like my Fender heavy best, but it looks soo
I couldn't get any of the sound files to work. Pity.
Rob
2008/6/5 LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sabbatum.com/
:-)
David
David van Ooijen
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There is no way to change the specific weight or mass of a gut
string by chemical means. If someone
were to claim that there are ways to chemically change the gut
to make it heavier, that would be classed
as some kind of alchemy.
DD
Damian,
No I think that what they called a dyeing process
Dear Rob, Martin and All,
I play about half of my Francesco pieces on a 72-cm Barber instrument (it is
pictured on his Web site) and really prefer it for the darker pieces in keys
such as G minor. Once for a Paul O'Dette master class I played No. 64 on my
78-cm bass lute, which brought a
Me neither, pity indeed. Might have been fun. Like the Finnish cello octet
that plays Metallica. Awsome, as our Americans friends would say. ;-)
David
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From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Chris, Damian, Martin and Anthony,
Unfortunately we are still missing some very important information. Finding
the truth about 16/17 c. strings can be a very difficult matter because we
lack proof due to its character. In terms of archeology we have only one
excavation till now - the Mest
Same here :-(
Jean-Marie
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I couldn't get any of the sound files to work. Pity.
Rob
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:-)
David
David van Ooijen
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Well, lads, I hope you can make a recording sometime of Francesco plumbing
the depths. I'm sure it would sound splendid. The duets would be amazing. We
await...
Rob
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It's a quartet actually. I've seen them live. They are called Apocalyptica
but they don't play only Metallica... They even play thrash metal, Slayer
e.t.c.
I can't figure out how on earth not only one but four(!) guys ended up
learning how to play the cello, while in fact they loved Metal...
You mean loaded gut is impossible?
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote:
There is no way to change the specific weight or mass of a gut
string by chemical means. If someone
were to claim that there are ways to chemically change the gut to
make it heavier, that would be
Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser than gut,
not chemically altering the gut itself.
Eugene
At 03:45 PM 6/5/2008, howard posner wrote:
You mean loaded gut is impossible?
On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:00 PM, damian dlugolecki wrote:
There is no way to change the
At 02:57 PM 6/5/2008, LGS-Europe wrote:
How do people make their (medieval) plectra? I have chopped up and sanded
down some turkey feathers, different techniques, different
thickness/stiffnes, but I'm only half convinced of the sound.
Advice much appreciated.
David - To be honest, I still like
Eugène wrote:
I have used goose quill prepared following this procedure:
http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=263874652887a855b1a3a0ff8f6a6f14;act=ST;f=6;t=15088
..
etc. I have found excellent and consistent results using a particular
model of Bic pen:
In the sense that you might chemically alter gut to become
heavier, yes.
If I am not mistaken the 'loaded' strings are made by adding
metal filings
to the gut prior to the initial twisting of the gut ribbons.
DD
Howard Posner wrote:
You mean loaded gut is impossible?
On Jun 5, 2008, at
On Jun 5, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser
than gut, not chemically altering the gut itself.
If I'm not mistaken, loading is essentially infusing, which would be
process similar to dyeing. Perhaps I'm mistaken.
--
At 05:27 PM 6/5/2008, howard posner wrote:
On Jun 5, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
Loading gut is adding physical mass by adding a substance denser
than gut, not chemically altering the gut itself.
If I'm not mistaken, loading is essentially infusing, which would be
process
On Jun 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
I don't think you are mistaken; however, that still would not
involve a chemical change of the gut material itself.
Does dyeing? The question, if I am again unmistaken, was whether a
process used for dyeing might incidentally increase
Water, yes. Dye, no. Water is heavy. Dye is not. I repeat.
You can not chemically alter the specific
gravity of gut. Ask Mimmo.
DD
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howard posner wrote:
Does dyeing? The question, if I am again unmistaken, was whether a
process used for dyeing might incidentally increase the density/
weight of a string. As far as I can see, adding anything to the
string's innards is going to increase its density, though the
Rob
try iTunes. At least you can get a 30 second preview.
Kerry
Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I couldn't get any of the sound files to work. Pity.
Rob
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:-)
David
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No, no, no. This is complete and utter nonsense without any
factual basis.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but I will not accomodate this kind
of fantasy
science.
DD
What seems to me more feasible, as regards to the increase
of the density of the gut string, is that some substances
that were
I take the quill and iron it with a heavy iron, then shape it.
I prefer a slightly rounded tip.
It's the only thing I iron, really.
You can also cut a piece of delrin and glue it to the feather, in
that case, you need not iron it.
It is sort of permanent press.
There are a number of other
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