[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inégalité

2010-02-22 Thread Mathias Rösel
Reusner's advise to follow the latest fashion in playing inegale can be taken as a clue that this fashion was not yet selfevident in German-speaking countries in the mid-17th century. It is often mentioned that inegale play was particularly French, but I'm not too sure about that. Perhaps, the

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inégalité

2010-02-22 Thread Bernd Haegemann
It is often mentioned that inegale play was particularly French, but I'm not too sure about that. It is a least interesting that Spanish writers are among the first to deal with that topic, f.e. Tomàs de Santa Maria. Perhaps, the French put an extra stress on it, but inegale actually

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Inégalité

2010-02-22 Thread Nicolás Valencia
Mathias, Do you happen to have Quantz statement on inegalite? I wonder how close his definition was compared with earlier sources. Best, Nicolas 2010/2/22 Mathias Roesel [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de Reusner's advise to follow the latest fashion in playing inegale can

Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Inégal ité

2010-02-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
A good example how to implement it effectively is in Tim Burris' recording of the Courante from BWV995. RT From: Nicolás Valencia niva...@gmail.com Mathias, Do you happen to have Quantz statement on inegalite? I wonder how close his definition was compared with earlier sources. Best,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Inégalité

2010-02-22 Thread Nicolás Valencia
Bernd et al., ...he often was so diligent as to write out the inegalite. Perhaps Bach intended this only for his French style works such as some partitas and ouvertures, but what about his other works? Can we infer that he applied inegalite everywhere? Best, Nicol`as

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Bach Loure

2010-02-22 Thread Oskar De Mari
http://www.youtube.com/user/jbernardhickey . a performance of Bach's Loure from BWV 1006a by me. from a classical guitar society evening in 2009. __ Browse profiles for free! [1]View photos of singles in

[LUTE] Re: Louisiana and the Sun King, Louis XIV

2010-02-22 Thread demery
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: No way european music was going to be encountered in settlements in the bights of benin or baifra, maybe some few on the island of Djakarta, but during the time of slavery those places were mostly habited by slavers and In

[LUTE] Re: Louisiana and the Sun King, Louis XIV

2010-02-22 Thread PeterD26
Agnes DeMille had the theory that African American dance was heavily influenced by Irish folk dance. The Irish were another downtrodden population in 19th-century America (no Irish need apply), and the Mississippi River basin was filled with Irish dockworkers in steamboat days. The

[LUTE] Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Graham Freeman
All, I'd be very grateful for some assistance. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a score for the A minor version of Lachrimae from Dd.2.11? Poulton, of course, has the G minor version, but I'm not certain where the A minor one might be. A naive question perhaps, but

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Edward Martin
The version in a minor is from the book Lachrimae, written for 5 viol or violins, + the lute part. ed At 11:56 AM 2/22/2010, Graham Freeman wrote: All, I'd be very grateful for some assistance. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a score for the A minor version of

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Graham Freeman
Thank you. Matthew Spring writes of three versions in Dd.2.11: one for lute in G minor; one for lute in A minor; and one for bandora. The two versions apparently have very different divisions. Poulton lists the A minor version as Dd.2.11, ff.. 75v/76, from which she provides a brief

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Martin Shepherd
There is a version in Am for solo lute in Dd.2.11, soon to be published in facsimile by the Lute Society. I have a feeling it may be on a Paul O'Dette recording, too. Martin Edward Martin wrote: The version in a minor is from the book Lachrimae, written for 5 viol or violins, + the lute

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread David Tayler
All the versions which have the mistake in the first bar are secondary sources, they have parallel version fifths between the first two chords. The sources related to either LoST from 1603 or are absent the mistake (yet have full harmony) are either Dowland or based on Dowland. Most of the

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Lex van Sante
Hi Graham, There is one version in a in Hirsch without divisions. Hope this helps. Lex Op 22 feb 2010, om 18:56 heeft Graham Freeman het volgende geschreven: All, I'd be very grateful for some assistance. Does anyone know where I might be able to find a score for the A minor version of

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Nedmast2
Since Dowland hated Divisions. . . This statement piques my curiosity. Is there a readily available text that discusses Dowland's life and his musical styles? There seems to be a book by O'Dette (as co-author); would this be a recommended place to begin? Thanks, Ned

[LUTE] Jakob Lindberg on Bach on BBC Radio 3's Music Matters

2010-02-22 Thread Peter Jones
Hello all, Those who live in the UK can listen again to this Saturday's edition of Music Matters, which features (along with items about Nono and Dohnanyi!) Jakob Lindberg discussing the pleasures and perils of playing Bach on the lute: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qpqz6 Best wishes,

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread David Tayler
Much of the material is in my disseration on Dowland, but of course this research is now 24 years old http://www.voicesofmusic.org/tayler/dowland.html However, even though it is out of date, some of the more controversial ideas which were thought to be far fetched at the time are now now

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread David van Ooijen
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Graham Freeman freeman.gra...@gmail.com wrote:   divisions. Does anybody record the G minor version from Dd.2.11 as it   appears in Poulton/Lam? I did, as a matter of fact, parallel fifths and all (though I must confess my ignorance here, I'm sure dt is correct,

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Nedmast2
Thank you, David. I've downloaded your thesis and am printing it. I look forward to reading it. Ned -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread David van Ooijen
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:33 PM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: Today's my day for quesions.  This statement by David v O brings one up: It really is a 7-course piece, and on the 10-course I used it was beyond me. Assuming the same tuning (other than the added bass courses) on a 7 course and 10

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Nedmast2
Thank you for that answer, David. Thinking about what you said, I see now that I was not thinking clearly about how one tunes a 10-course lute. I was thinking that one could tune the 7th course as D, and then just add the bass tunings for courses 8, 9, and 10 however they're

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Nothing but inégalité... ;-)

2010-02-22 Thread wikla
Dear b-lute-gang, I just happened to tube one Sarabande by the old Gaultier, and everything there is inégal... In the spirit of, and to the honour to, the late Robert Johnson of the New World. And btw, the old G. also happened to set some extra long pauses or better sayed longish notes

[LUTE] Re: Nothing but inégalité... ;-)

2010-02-22 Thread wikla
Dear lute list, I was asked to forward my baroque-list mails to the main list, too, if I think there is some interest. So below is one that has something to do at least with 6-strings... :) All the best, Arto Original Message Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Nothing but inégalité...

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Ron Andrico
Hello Graham: You'll find the version you seek posted on our website in pdf form. http://editions.mignarda.com/downloads.html The divisions probably are by Dowland - I don't especially care whose version it is but I like the triplets at the end. Best wishes, Ron Andrico

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Daniel Winheld
First part of the answer: I'm not Nigel North ;-) Nigel is playing thumb out, which does enable the middle-index finger runs at high speed a bit easier. I can play middle index runs fairly well thumb in, but not as fast, easily- or naturally- as thumb out. The eternal conundrum of which way to

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Daniel Winheld
Ron- Thank you again for another great gift to the lute list community! Dan Hello Graham: You'll find the version you seek posted on our website in pdf form. http://editions.mignarda.com/downloads.html The divisions probably are by Dowland - I don't especially care whose

[LUTE] Re: Help in reading a French text fragment

2010-02-22 Thread wikla
Thanks Val! The piece of this poem (see below) is now in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-kXRdzDrBs and also http://www.vimeo.com/9646790 And the translation provided by you by the help of google is also there. My google wasn't so clever...;-) Thanks! Arto On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:44:31

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Daniel Winheld
somehow I have a blind spot: I still dont see the fifths!). I think going from the last chord in the first measure (low open G, still providing bass note from 3rd beat with open 2nd course d) -moving to first chord of 2nd measure, E-flat b-flat e chord. G-d to E-flat-b-flat are parallel

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread Graham Freeman
All, Thank you to everyone who answered my question and provided some great sources for me to look at. I very much appreciate it. For Dr. Tayler: I've read your dissertation and liked it very much. I wonder whether you've ever considered publishing it. While style analysis did

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread David Tayler
That's the one, G to E Flat. Classic. There is a really juicy one in the Bach D minor Double as well in the NBA. dt I have a note on my copy of Dd.2.11 from one I looked at the original in Cambridge that is just a question mark, whether that version might be connected to Dowland. Have to look

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Lachrimae

2010-02-22 Thread David Tayler
Thank you for you kind words, but I just put it online and at the time it seemed the easiest thing. I couldn't get it off these huge non standard floppies so I fed it into a scanner. I had to decide whether to pursue musicology or performance, and I thought, well, I'll just try performing full